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Posted 20 August 2012 - 03:03 PM

After CCP took over Mainland China by the end of 1949, quite a large number of KMT members still remained in Mainland China -not all KMT members chose to flee to Taiwan along with Chiang Kai Shek or took refuge to Hong Kong. either they were unable to or they chose to stay by choice. The fate of KMT members who fell into CCP's hands varied in large degree, some were treated with respect, some were treated as war criminals, some were treated like undesirable in society. From what I read, three categories I can sum up with:

1. High ranking KMT members chose to defect, or "uprising 起義" as CCP put it, to CCP were normally treated with higher regard and rewarded with somewhat important position in PRC. Figures like Fu Zuoyi, Chen Mingren, Wei Lihuang, Cheng Qian, Tang shengzhi..During Cultural Revolution, some were able to escape the harassment and persecution by Red Guards due to the famous protection list submitted by Zhou Enlai,but those who were not in the list were subject to all kinds of physical/mental humiliation and torture by Red Guards which many were driven to suicide.

2. High ranking KMT members who were captured by CCP during Chinese Civil War period - most of them were sent to the infamous Fushun reeducation camp in Northeast China to spend the jail time along with the Japanese war criminals and Chinese collaborators like former Manchus Emperor Puyi It is ironic to see that CCP put KMT officials, which many have fought against the Japanese , along with the Japanese prisoners, which many of them had their hands full with Chinese blood, in the same jail center. It should be noted that Japanese were not subject to reeducation program and labor work, and all of them were released and sent back to Japan by the end of the 50's, unlike the KMT officials who had to endure all the harsh labor intensive work and brain-washing reeducation programs. They were released much later than the Japanese, and in the case of former KMT military commander Huang Wei, who was not released until 1975.

3. Middle to Low ranking KMT officers, special agents and foot soldiers - these were the one suffered the most. CCP considered them untrustworthy and burden to the stability of PRC.Most of them were executed in the "Zhen Fan" period from 1950 - 1951.The number of people who were executed varied from 712,000 to 5,000,000, which many also included former landlord and businessmen/enterprenuer. Mao personally set up a quota of 0.1% population of each region that needed to be executed.

From Wikipedia, "

Yang noted that Mao implemented a quota for the executions in accordance with local populations. Mao argued that hardline counterrevolutionaries counted for less than 1 percent of the population in all regions, and that roughly 0.1 per cent of the population would have to be executed in order to get rid of the worst counterrevolutionary elements, while avoiding killing innocents.


Not to mention many former KMT soldiers were forcefully enlisted into PLA regiments and sent to fight in Korea as part of People's Volunteer Army troop during Korean War. It is no wonder why most of the Chinese captives captured by US and UN forces chose to rejoin Chiang's KMT regime in Taiwan rather than to be sent back to china again.
"Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter". Quran 2:191

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Posted 20 August 2012 - 09:08 PM

1. High ranking KMT members chose to defect, or "uprising 起義" as CCP put it, to CCP were normally treated with higher regard and rewarded with somewhat important position in PRC. Figures like Fu Zuoyi, Chen Mingren, Wei Lihuang, Cheng Qian, Tang shengzhi..During Cultural Revolution, some were able to escape the harassment and persecution by Red Guards due to the famous protection list submitted by Zhou Enlai,but those who were not in the list were subject to all kinds of physical/mental humiliation and torture by Red Guards which many were driven to suicide.


General Wei Lihuang - sitting on the fence or Communist mole?

when did General Heh Jifeng secretly joined the Communist, 1929 or 1933 or 1939 later?

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Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:53 PM

General Wei Lihuang - sitting on the fence or Communist mole?

when did General Heh Jifeng secretly joined the Communist, 1929 or 1933 or 1939 later?


According to the biography written by Wei's long time secretary (Forgot his name at this moment), Wei had close-knit relationship with the communist dated back in the 30's. Wei even requested to apply for CCP membership but denied for some reason not known. There are sources said Wei swore allegiance to Mao from Hong Kong on the day (10/1/1949) PRC was founded when KMT government was still in Mainland China.

Judging from his action and how he intentionally lost the battle to CCP in the Manchuria theater, there is little doubt that he was one of the CCP undercover infiltrated to KMT military post.

I don't know much about the other guy you mentioned.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:18 PM

According to the biography written by Wei's long time secretary (Forgot his name at this moment), Wei had close-knit relationship with the communist dated back in the 30's. Wei even requested to apply for CCP membership but denied for some reason not known. There are sources said Wei swore allegiance to Mao from Hong Kong on the day (10/1/1949) PRC was founded when KMT government was still in Mainland China.

Judging from his action and how he intentionally lost the battle to CCP in the Manchuria theater, there is little doubt that he was one of the CCP undercover infiltrated to KMT military post.

I don't know much about the other guy you mentioned.


I had added a bit to the "four names" called by Jung Chang at http://republicanchi.../Jung_Chang.htm

As far as Wei Lihuang was concerned, note his name was given to a county at the Hubei-Henan-Anhui Soviet Enclave, Lihuang County, as a reward for his routing the communist Red Army. Wei was duped about 1937-8, after the eruption of the war. The main reason for his defection to the communist side was his animosity towards the Whampoa lineage generals, I assume.

Details on him:
Wei Lihuang, since 1937, was surrounded by communists who posed as progressive students and infiltrated his army. A non-Wmapoa, Wei Lihuang from day one installed his Anhui natives in his army and did his best to exclude the Whampoa officers. In the early 1930s, Wei Lihuang, for his defeating the Red Army in Anhui-Henan-Hubei enclave, was rewarded with having his name desginated to be a county name. The communists, in 1937-1938, infiltrated his camp by disguising as Anhui natives or referred by Anhui natives. After the Battle of Taiyuan in 1937, Wei Lihuang was assigned the task of defending southwestern Shanxi, and when retreating across the Yellow River, was invited into the communist territory of Yenan, where he first cohorted with the communist leadership and apparently feeling flattered, Wei Lihuang made a decision to secretly transport ammunition and weapons to the communist 8th Route Army and hence began the journey to befriending the communists. During the 1939 upheavals in Shanxi, Hebei and Shandong, when communists repeatedly routed government and provincial troops and guerrilla armies plus the Red Spear Societies, Wei Lihuang often put off Chiang Kai-shek's demand to confront the communists and gave the communists a free hand in attacking and routing the Shanxi New Army in a coup, the government guerrilla armies at the tri-provincial area of Shanxi-Henan-Hebei. At the end of WWII, Wei Lihuang was deprived of his posts and sent to Europe for a tour, where he connected with the European operators of the Chinese Communists. As the Manchuria regional commander, Wei Lihuang refused to withdraw troops to China proper but ordered the government troops to defending "points" (cities). According to Ledvosky, and Shi Zhe's memoirs, the Soviet railway army corps stepped into China in 1948. That was the determinant factor in communist victory at the battle of Jinzhou, where 900+ artillery pieces were shipped over to blast the city to pieces. Wei Lihuang synched up with Mao in ordering all R.O.C. troops to defend cities, leaving the communists in control of the wilderness. Nobody other than Mao knew the scheme. Communist commander Lin Biao did not know it either. That's why Lin Biao, who was scared of the bloodbath in twice attacking Sipingjie, loitered between Sipingjie and Jinzhou for half a year, till Soviet artillery pieces shipped over. (Lin Biao, who had a secret meeting with government agents while talking peace in Chungking in 1945, had promised to Chiang Kai-shek to play some role in the future; and around 1947-8, Lin Biao, together with communist Whampoa pal Tao Zhu, had received the visit of a retired Whampoa pal in Manchuria, i.e., an agent sent by Chen Gongshu to instigate the two communist generals to defect to the side of the Whampoa commandant; and it could be conceived that Lin Biao's loitering for half a year and claiming to Mao Tse-tung to change route to go to Jehol instead of Jinzhou, could have something to do with the ongoing clandestine liaisons with the government. In 1950, Lin Biao again showed his cowardice in declining the job to go to Korea. Or in another sense, Lin Biao was really against Mao's disregards for human life as Lin Biao correctly understood the firepower of the United States army. In the initial years of the 1960s cultural revolution, Lin Biao and Tao Zhu purportedly sent a messenger to Taiwan to express wish to return to Chiang Kai-shek's side. The rest of the story, i.e., Lin Biao's escaping towards the Soviet Union and crashing in Mongolia was a known story.)

As far as Heh Jifeng was concerned, it is a different study. Heh Jifeng and Zhang Kexia belonged to a group of communist agents who reported direct to the Soviet Red Army G.R.U. service. The Soviet contact derived from Li Dazhao's relationship with Feng Yuxiang from the 1911 revolution and the Soviet instigations in the early 1920s. Stalin, to control China's Chinese Eastern railway, was determined to overthrow the Peking government (Wu Peifu, Cao Kun) and render the 1924 Sino-Soviet Agreement on renegotiating the Tsarist treaties null and void for ever. Stalin provided weapons for Feng Yuxiang to launch the mutiny in Peking. I covered it extensively at http://republicanchi...ern-KMT-CCP.pdf Heh Jifeng and Zhang Kexia, either themselves indoctrinated in Moscow or their brothers indoctrinated in Moscow, were more Soviet communists than Chinese communists. The funny thing about northern communists is that no matter those serving under Zhang Xueliang or under Yang Hucheng, with different origin in Manchuria versus North China, had joined the same club in Japan, Europe and Moscow. Heh Jifeng and Zhang Kexia, and their cohorts in either Zhang Xueliang's Northeastern Army or Yang Hucheng's Northwestern Army, all knew each other to be related to the communists or the Soviets. In another sense, government agents never entered this exclusive club to know how the communists (or the Soviet GRU agents) operated in China. Even if one such communist defected to the government, they simply shut up about their old friends, possibly knowing that should they say a word about their old friends, he and his family would be exterminated. So to say that Heh Jifeng and Zhang Kexix, who joined the communists in late 1920s or early 1930s, could just live on without worry that their cover would ever get pierced.

To see how the communist underworld worked, you would need to read the memoirs by someone called Yu Yifu (于毅夫自传), and read it back and forth several times to appreciate the mechanism and to understand how the communists or ex-communists on Chungking's side, Yenan's side, Soviet side, the puppet side and the Japanese side, could work together in one club.

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:06 AM

As far as Heh Jifeng was concerned, it is a different study. Heh Jifeng and Zhang Kexia belonged to a group of communist agents who reported direct to the Soviet Red Army G.R.U. service.



it's nice to see you posting again.

i remember you previously suggested that Heh Jifeng instigated the Lugouqiao incident. can elaborate further on it?

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Posted 23 August 2012 - 01:00 PM

Another slimy character is Zhang Zizong, who was one of the closest confidant of Chiang Kai Shek and handpicked by Chiang to represent KMT to negotiate with CCP , but betrayed Chiang and ROC by 1949.
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Posted 24 August 2012 - 10:16 PM

"最大共谍" 郭汝瑰 ( the Kuomintang "biggest traitor" Guo Rugui )

“最大共谍”郭汝瑰去世 昔日国军战友各寄一张白纸

解说:解放战争结束后,许多国军战俘都是郭汝瑰当年的黄埔校友,1959年大赦后他们大多数选择台湾,从此远离国土多年。许多人在后来写《国民党将领淮海战役亲历记》时,仍然流露对郭汝瑰恨之入骨的感情。

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 01:52 AM

There were reports some KMT captives were even eaten alive and used as live experiment by CCP medical team, same practice the notorious Japanese 731 unit once used towards Chinese captives in Manchuria, probably due to many Lin Biao's Forth field soldiers originated from Japanese puppet Manchukuo troops and inherited this practice from the Japanese?

Not sure how accurate it was. But this article seemed to be written by mainland Chinese and forwarded to different forums hosted in China.
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國共內戰期間,中共在蘇聯的幫助下,在「驅使平民當炮灰」等非人道的戰術運用下,在埋伏在國民黨內部的間諜的配合下,贏得了若干戰役的勝利。中共1949年建政後,又開始了所謂的「剿匪」行動,即剿滅國民黨留在大陸的殘餘力量。那麼,中共是如何對待國民黨戰俘的呢?

據原中共國防部長秦基偉部曾參加剿匪的某軍官的回憶錄透露,國民黨「除了團、營一級的俘虜軍官留下審訊,其它俘虜由連一級指揮員自行處置,先開始還吸收部 份降兵入伍,後來後勤供應緊張,各連隊都把俘虜分批處理掉,最常用的辦法就是乘夜晚分批押到河邊、山邊用刺刀捅死,用他們自己挖的坑埋掉。」

而更為殘忍的是,一些國民黨戰俘的心肝被挖出,供共軍將官下酒。該軍官回憶錄中描述的一個身高一米八的張姓連長就是這樣一個人,而他自己也被欺騙吃了人肝。當他從好友口中得知自己吃的是人肝時,不禁吐了一天一夜。這樣畜生都不如的中共軍官不知還有多少呢!

更讓人難以置信的是,不少國民黨戰俘還成為了中共醫學院學生活體解剖的對象。一位化名魯大明的中共著名軍醫在晚年將這段塵封的往事吐露了出來。

魯大明是山東人,1937年入伍。抗戰勝利後,他考取了中共建政前的第一所正規綜合大學--北方大學。當時的北方大學在河北邢台市西關,是後來北京人民大學的前身。1946年5月,該校正式開課,校長是範文瀾。

魯大明被分配到醫學院,成為了中共第一批軍醫學員。當時的教學條件十分簡陋,教師有蘇聯人,有從國統區歸來和留蘇回來的中國人,也有日本投降後留下來的高級軍醫,他們都受過正規的大學教育。

在入學後的第二年,他們進入了軍事醫科學必須完成且很重要的人體解剖階段。此時學校急求供教學用的專用死人,但是華北是一個土地貧瘠、生活落後的地方。錢 財很缺的北方大學醫學院,不能免費找到供學校上課解剖的死人屍體。即使有大把銀元可用於收購屍體,華北人出於千年的民俗,也不願把親人的遺體當成商品一樣 隨便賣給別人用來肢解。

不久,學校缺屍的困難,被中共邊區長官楊秀峰等政要知道。很快,一車車國民黨戰俘運到了學校,一些據說還參加過遠征印度緬甸、同日軍打過許多惡仗。起初,魯大明等學員和老師都並不知道為何送國民黨戰俘到學校,後來才知道他們是供學員們進行活體解剖用的。

讓魯大明印象最為深刻的是編號為甲014號的史連長。聽到他半夜痛哭,魯大明過去詢問原因。其他戰俘告訴他,「明天是我們二十八歲的生日。他已有十二年沒 有回浙江江山老家了!他曾在緬北森林同日本軍刺刀肉搏,鬼子的刀穿透肩膀肉,骨頭都露出了,血都飆了出來,他也沒哭過。他是官派留意大利、學裝甲的長官, 他是個很傳統很愛母親的孝子……」而史連長告訴他,他夢見母親跪在家鄉的村門溪澗石橋上,哭喊著兒子的乳名在燒銀色紙錢……

就是這樣一個錚錚鐵漢,卻在次日成為中共軍醫學員第一個解剖的對象。在被拒絕槍斃後再行解剖後,史連長留下了這樣的遺言:「我身為一個革命軍人,只殺過日 本人。從未傷害過你們任何一個人。如果今後有人問我去了哪裏,請你們不要告訴他們,我是在這裡以這樣方式死掉的,就說我是前線陣亡或失蹤的。特別拜託:萬 萬不要告訴我的老母。其次,別沒收我身上掛著的那枚十字架,等你們幹完活,準備埋葬前,把它塞進我的心臟與這堆無用的軀囊隨便埋了吧!看在神的份上,打點 嗎啡吧!我會配合到最後一分鐘!」

無需再引述那殘忍的一幕……當一個月的活體生理解剖實驗結束後,曾經生龍活虎的國民黨戰俘只剩下了殘肢剩骨,而後這些殘肢剩骨又被林子地的野狗、烏鴉吞 食……那二年四鄉的老百姓都在問:那片林子地的樹怎麼長的特別綠?各家的狗兒怎麼肥的特別快?野狗的毛兒怎麼特別的油光非常亮?又有多少人知道這陽光下的 罪惡呢?

事實上,類似的罪惡一直在延續,中共地方醫院和軍隊醫院大量摘取、倒賣、特供人體器官的醜事一直並未杜絕。這樣的罪惡之源難道不正是不懂人性和斯文的中共嗎?

在披露這段史實的軍醫魯大明懺悔之際,還有多少人亟待懺悔啊!

http://blog.renren.c...2803/7821631570
"Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter". Quran 2:191

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Posted 25 August 2012 - 09:00 PM

it's nice to see you posting again.

i remember you previously suggested that Heh Jifeng instigated the Lugouqiao incident. can elaborate further on it?


In last post, when I talked about Fu Zuoyi, I mixed up a bit. The guy who wrote on the Suiyuan-Peking Railway defence was Doak Barnett.

Fu Zuoyi was so successful in defending the railway that Mao repeatedly failed to cross the railway to get to Manchuria to find an airfield to fly to Moscow for meeting with Stalin.

Now for redstick, do not buy into Jung Chang's claim about Zhang Zhizhong or Shao Lizi. Both guys had never recruited any communists nor had any channel to report to the communists or the Soviets. In 1927 or earlier, KMT and CCP was one house. Both Hu Hanmin and Shao Lizi were invited as guest speakers or observers at the Comintern congress. The Soviets duped the KMT in giving a quasi membership to the KMT at the Comintern. Shao Lizi was merely representing the KMT in attending the congress in Moscow when Chiang had a coup against the communists in Shanghai in April 1927. Shao would not know who was right and who was wrong at the time while he was in Moscow. It meant nothing if he said good words about STalin and communsist in Moscow.

Back to the Marco Polo Bridge conspiracy.



Some communist veteran, called Liu Zhao, had stirred up a debate about the new publication by the Chinese Political Consulatative Congress to revise some writing done by communist mole Heh Jifeng in 1960, entitled "The Documentary Writing on the July 7 Incident". See http://www.xfgjls.co...ent-itemid-2800

What Liu Zhao was saying was that there was an ongoing internal struggle within the 29th Army (Corps), namely, a fight between the undercover communist Zhang Kexia and pro-Japan 38th Division commander (and concurrent Tientsin mayor) Zhang Zizhong in regards to the dealings with the Japanese.

In 1960, Heh Jifeng et al., wrote an article about how the Marco Polo Incident erupted. Heh recalled that Zhang Kexia, Feng Yuxiang's communist brother-in-law, had received in April-May 1937 instructions from Liu Shaoqi's North China communist bureau to devise a strategic plan for the 29th Corps to proactively attack the Japanese at the Mountain and Sea Pass, termed the 'Plan for Marching Out of the Mountain and Sea Pass". Additionally, Zhang Kexia, who was deputy chief of staff for the 29th Corps, had hired top communists, including Zhang Youyu, for launching an indoctrination course among officers within the 29th Corps. This was against chief of staff 张樾亭 Zhang Yueting's draft plan to withdraw the 29th Corps to the Baoding-Shijiazhuang area so as to avoid friction with the Japanese. Note at that time, commander-in-chief Song Zheyuan was taking a hike for vacation in Shandong for evading the Japanese. Among lecturers of the teaching corps would be Feng Hongguo, i.e., a Moscow-returned Soviet agent and Feng Yuxiang's elder son. (Do note that Feng Yuxiang's wife and all her brothers were communists.) At Zhang Kexia's suggestion, an army intelligence division was set up within the 29th Corps, with communist Ren Jingqiu as director.

How incredible it is to see a full house of communists controlling the operations of the 29th Corps.

In Zeng Zhi memoirs, you had Zeng Zhi, this communist wife of Tao Zhu's, recalling a talk with Moscow-returnee Xiao Ming about when Zhang Kexia enrolled in the party. (Xiao Ming, like Yang Xiefeng, was on the same boat as the rest of Europ-returned or Moscow-returned Soviet agents.) It was confirmed to be in 1929 that Zhang joined the party, termed the order of "Mi-zi-hao" (i.e., rice? numbering) who reported direct to Zhou Enlai et al. In communist Yang Xianzhen's Biography, you would see this communist head in North China was instructed to go to Peking-Tientsin to liasion communists on a five-men list, including both Zhang Kexia and Heh Jifeng. That was in year 1931. This meant that Heh Jifeng was not what I figured had enrolled in the communist party in 1933, but 1931 or earlier. Both Heh and Zhang were classmates of the brigade commanders who conducted the mutiny in Jiangxi to join the Red Army in 1931. Zhang Kexia was a Moscow-returnee, and his brother, who was recruited by Yang Shande for GRU training in the Soviet Far East, was later purged by the Soviets in late 1930s.

Liu Shaoqi, after giving instructions to the undercover agents in the 29th Corps, left for Yenan for a meeting with Mao in May-June 1937, where they devised the "Defend North China and Defend Peking-Tientsin" political slogans. Back in Peking, in June, the Soviet GRU sent Su Ziyuan, top agent from the Mukden YMCA gang and a cohort of Yan Baoyang, was in the 29th Corps for military agitation. Su Ziyuan was said to have followed Zhang Kexia and Heh Jifeng in attending a Sino-Japanese officers' dinner party in the forbidden city on June 6.

You won't know exactly what the communist directives were until you read a recollection done by a Japanese called 葛西纯一 (?Kasai Junichi) who was retained by the communist army in Manchuria from 1945-1950. In 1974, he wrote a book called "new information: Marco Polo Bridge incident," and published it in Japan, claiming that while he was in Manchuria, at the PLA Fourth Field Army logistics department of the Ordnance Department, he had seen soldiers studying the political textbooks that was printed in 1947 by the PLA General Political Department, which carried contents to the effect that the CCP Northern Bureau had instructed students to sneak into the middle of the two armies to fire shots, so as to stir up the Sino-Japanese conflicts. Specifically, Hu Fu (Comrade Liu Shaoqi) instructed the patriotic students at the Peking Universities to use the campus as base for organization and guidance of the anti-Japanese national salvation.

Now, from Imai Memoirs. On June 29th, 1937, mysterious shots were fired at the Wanping town while the Japanese military were conducting night-time exercises. Feng Zhi’an, chairman of Hebei Province and commander for 37th Division of 29th Corps, immediately ordered a curfew for the Peiping city as a precaution. On July 1st, Imai takeo inquired with police chief Chen Ji’an’s secretary about the curfew. After return from the Baoding visit, Imai convened a news conference to brief reporters about the purpose of Japanese military exercises – the second phase inspection of the annual exercises scheduled for July 9-16th. On July 3rd, Feng Zhi’an invited Imai Takeo for a trip to Baoding the provincial capital, during which an informal protest was raised in regards to the shooting. Upon return to Peiping, Imai secretly ordered a lieutenant at the North China Stationed Ryodan to conduct an investigation. Imai checked out bullet holes to have determined that they were not from Japanese guns. On July 6, Imai, while having a party to see Chen Zigeng off for the Mt Lushan meeting, was interrupted by Shi Yousan who asked the Japanese to intervene to stop the war between China and Japan, that was purportedly scheduled to be ignited near the Lugouqiao Bridge at around 3 pm of that day. When Imai denied the knowledge of such a conflict, Shi Yousan advised the Japanese not to attack his Northern Hebei Constabulary Forces stationed at Huangshi (yellow monastery), north of Peiping. Heh jifeng the secret communist , in charge of the 37th Division at the bridge, enrolled in communists before 1933, not in 1938
or later as the CCP records claimed. Heh made arrangement for live ammuniton to be distributed in the immediate days ahead of the July 7th incident; and further ordered the buildup of barricades and embrasures, with target set against Dawayao (big tile furnace) to the east. More, one week ahead of 7-7-1937, the Peking police arrested a team of plaincoats who disguised themselves as communists. Japanese spy agency was recorded to have wide collaboration with Chinese communists agents and student activists.

After the eruption of war, Imai Takeo learnt that rumors were in wide circulation in Tokyo that “on the night of double seventh day, there would be a replay of an incident similar to Liutiaogou in North China”, over which Okamoto Kiyotomi was sent to Peiping from Tokyo by Ishihara, head of the First Section of the Japanese Imperial Staff Headquarters. (Back in late June, Ootani, brother of Japanese colonial minister, descended upon Peiping without advance notice, and inquired with Imai as to the urgency in diffusing any possible flareup of Sino-Japanese incidents. Count Otani Kozuiwas the 22nd Abbot of the West Honganji Monastery.)

One more corroboration is from Owen Lattimore. There are 100 books citing Lattimore's claim that there was a rumor in Peking that on July 7th, 1937, something similar to 9-18-1931 would happen. (You know Lattimore was a top Russian agent recruited in China by Comintern. In fact, over half of top American Comintern agents had their root in China, possibly including George Marshall as well. Also note that Lattimore-related writings talked extensively about a rumor that circulated in Tokyo and then Peking that some incident similar to the 9-31-1931 Manchuria invasion could happen in North China on July 7, 1937.)

The conspiracy against China was immense, and beyond your ken. Only after you read books about the 1926-1927 Northern Expedition would you find all major Comintern agents swamping onto China at Moscow's instructions, and later dispersed back to their countries or back to Moscow before a return to China for the continuous sabotage against the Republic of China. Think twice before you think that's all Comintern work in China. It is not the end of the story.

Tanaka, a former staff officer of the Japanese Kwantung Army, in the trials and interrogations of June 1946, disclosed that in testimony to the Tokyo International Military Tribunal that on July 8, he flew to Tientsin from Inner Mongolia, meeting mokawa hidekazu and was told that Mokowa had ordered the communist students to fire the first shot of the Sino-Japanese War.Additionally, Sakurai Tokutaro testified that on July 13, 1937, communist students from Qinghua University were caught by the

Sino-Japanese joint patrol to be litting the fire works in the middle ground of the Japanese Army and the Chinese Army. This recollection was fully corroborated by Imai takeo in his memoirs. There is no sligh doubt that the Chinese Communists were behind lighting the fuse of the 1937 Sino-Japanese War. In the past, I had talked about the assassinations of Japanese soliders, sailors, navy and merchants from Chengdu to Wuhan to Shanghai to Beihai (Guangxi) to Amoy (Fujian) from 1935 to 1937. The Soviet consipracy against China could not be denied.
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#10 redstick426

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Posted 29 August 2012 - 07:01 PM

Now for redstick, do not buy into Jung Chang's claim about Zhang Zhizhong or Shao Lizi. Both guys had never recruited any communists nor had any channel to report to the communists or the Soviets. In 1927 or earlier, KMT and CCP was one house. Both Hu Hanmin and Shao Lizi were invited as guest speakers or observers at the Comintern congress. The Soviets duped the KMT in giving a quasi membership to the KMT at the Comintern. Shao Lizi was merely representing the KMT in attending the congress in Moscow when Chiang had a coup against the communists in Shanghai in April 1927. Shao would not know who was right and who was wrong at the time while he was in Moscow. It meant nothing if he said good words about STalin and communsist in Moscow.


No. I never seriously read Jung Chang's book written by her and her white British husband. In Zhang's memoir<<張治中回憶錄>>, he wrote that he always had sympathy towards Communist and always at odds with KMT rightist since early Whampoa era. He even revealed that he once applied for CCP membership but rejected by Zhou Enlai on the ground Zhou wanted him to stay within KMT to provide him assistance when the time arrived. Note Zhang Zhizong was one of the few KMT military commanders who had never waged a battle against CCP and he was helping out many CCP members in Xinjiang circa 1945, seems to me he was planning things ahead of time before his complete defection to CCP.

Unfortunately for him, during cultural revolution, his home was visited by Red Guard many times. Many of his and his family personal belonging was confiscated by Red Guard and according to his daughter, Zhang was living in constant fear for the last 3 years of his life, worrying that he could be the next victim after witnessing so many of his companion's downfall. His fate would have been much worse had he was not in the protection list.
"Kill them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out, for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter". Quran 2:191

#11 ahxiang

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Posted 30 August 2012 - 05:25 PM

No. I never seriously read Jung Chang's book written by her and her white British husband. In Zhang's memoir<<張治中回憶錄>>, he wrote that he always had sympathy towards Communist and always at odds with KMT rightist since early Whampoa era. He even revealed that he once applied for CCP membership but rejected by Zhou Enlai on the ground Zhou wanted him to stay within KMT to provide him assistance when the time arrived. Note Zhang Zhizong was one of the few KMT military commanders who had never waged a battle against CCP and he was helping out many CCP members in Xinjiang circa 1945, seems to me he was planning things ahead of time before his complete defection to CCP.

Unfortunately for him, during cultural revolution, his home was visited by Red Guard many times. Many of his and his family personal belonging was confiscated by Red Guard and according to his daughter, Zhang was living in constant fear for the last 3 years of his life, worrying that he could be the next victim after witnessing so many of his companion's downfall. His fate would have been much worse had he was not in the protection list.




In the 1920s, it was a fad to be a communist or a leftist. Wang Ching-wei, i.e., KMT's senior leader, was once advocating "left", and when walking through the buildings, corrdiros and streets, he was constantly saying "turn left" to show his political tendency. Not to mention Dai Jitao who joined with the communist activists to found the communist party cell (i.e., Social Communist Party) in 1920 before Votinsky officially changed the name to the communist party. Hence, you could not say someone like Zhang Zhizhong, who was pro-communist and wanted to be a communist in the 1920s, had to be a communist. The KMT-CCP split was a pain for many people. You had the bloody purge against the CCP sympathizers, mainly low-level operations, as a result of the communist clandestine nature -which made it difficult to tell real communists from non-communists. Should Zhang Zhizhong have thought about applying for the CCP membership before the purge, he would not have the stomach to do so after the purge. For those who joined the communists after the purge, the communist party always extolled them as heros in related memoirs and recollections.

My point against Jung Chang was not about Zhang Zhizhong's propensity, but about her fabricating the Soviet connection. What she said was that Zhang Zhizhong 'reported' to the Soviet ambassador to China and was ordered to provoke the August 13, 1937, Battle of Shanghai. That's a total b.s. and the most ludicrous craap I read among her accusations against Shao Lizi and Hu Zongnan et al. I pointed out for years that Jung Chang was wrong in making up the consipracy theory about Zhang Zhizhong and related Soviet coverup operation to kill the amabassador in a staged car accident near Moscow. What I said was that Jung Chang mixed up two Soviet ambassadors, the 1937 one, and the 1938 one. There are several books about this car accident, but they were mostly wrong as well. Like Jung Chang, most recollections done by the Chinese had mixed up the two Soviet ambassadors. The only guy who knew the difference was Wuhan mayor Wu Guozhen who personally ran into the new Soviet ambassador at the airport without pre-announcement from the Soviets. It was this 1928 Soviet ambassador who was ordered by Stalin to be assassinated via a staged car accident. And this car accident was what most of the old time Chinese talked about, not the purge death of the 1937 Soviet ambassador - who died in a prison. Only one person pointed out that the car accident was staged, and that's Ledovsky. None of the old-time Chinese would have the intelligence to know that the 1938 ambassador who was killed in the car accident near Moscow was staged, as none of those Chinese would have understood the inner workings of Stalin's. Why the old-time Chinese had some fond thoughts about the 1938 Soviet ambassador? You need to go to Wu Guozhen's book to know that this new ambassador had done quite bit in expediting the Soviet military aid to Chiang Kai-shek. That's why the old-time Chinese regretted to know that the Soviet ambassador was killed in a car accident, and talked about it for 50-60 years, which Jung Chang picked up and then made it into a sensational story that this ambassador was killed to protect Zhang Zhizhong's mole status in China. I would say Holy Craap. No matter what, Jung Chang made tons of pounds and dollars using this craap.


See http://republicanchi.../Jung_Chang.htm for some details

As numerous people recalled in their memoirs, Zhang Zhizhong appeared to be the only person daring to call Chiang Kai-shek by "Mr. Chiang" in post-1949 Communist China. However, Zhang Zhizhong, taking himself to be an erudite, repeatedly fell short of expectations. At the Battle of Shanghai in 1937, Zhang took a bike to the front to avoid the Japanese plane bombing, and later found an excuse to go to the hind to report to Chiang Kai-shek while people were looking for him at the front, which led to a rebuke from Chiang Kai-shek over the phone. Zhang then further had dereliction of duty while being empowered as chair of Hunan Province, under whose jurisdiction the scorched-earth policy was mal-executed in Changsha. However, we could not blame Zhang Zhizhong 100% for his being blindsided by the communist propaganda. The agriculturalist Liang Su-ming, i.e, China's last Confucian, for another example, was hoodwinked by the communists even though he himself walked across Japan-occupied territories to have witnessed the communist brigands' killing of his student-desciples who were waging guerrilla war against the Japanese behind the enemy's line.

Shao Lizi, who had the deepest connection with leftist and communist writers since the 1920s, was accused by Jung Chang of being a Soviet mole who wrote a letter to Stalin to express his indignation over the 1927 KMT-CCP split. This webmaster did not see or read that letter. However, my take was that Shao Lizi was at best someone with sympathy for the communists but was in no capacity to do harm to the Republic of China as the communist military spies did, nor did Shao Lizi ever harbor communist spies under his helm as heavy-weight 'warlord' leaders at the national, provincial and regional levels did. The extrapolation on the death of Shao Lizi's son in Europe was a stretch at best, and could be said to be an undue credit to the R.O.C. abilities to mount overseas assassination operations, where the Chinese Communists, in the shadow of British Communists, German Communists, Belgian Communists and French Communists, took the stage in an overwhelming way. The studs in Europe and the USA, who had French, British, German, Romanian, Polish and American wives, worked under the so-called "Chinese language bureaus" of CPUSA, German communists, British communists, French communists and etc. After Hitler cooperated with the communists in routing the German social democrats and subsequently expelled the communists, the European communists still had strong presence in the rest of Europe outside of Germany. In France, Gao Changhong, i.e., China's pioneer in the "Sturm und Drang" movement and Lu Xun's unknown enemy in love, easily connected with the French Communist Party to become a member. Even in Germany, Chinese Communists often proactively brawled with R.O.C. embassy/consulate organizers, as recalled by Tang Zong, Chiang Kai-shek's attache.
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