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Posted 15 November 2005 - 08:54 AM

What kind of hwacha do you mean? In case of barrelled model it was common practice to use arrows to shoot via barrelled weapon such as Handgonne in XV century and this weapon was quite effective.

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What kind of hwacha do you mean? In case of barrelled model it was common practice to use arrows to shoot via barrelled weapon such as Handgonne in XV century and this weapon was quite effective.

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The barrelled version was a later model, correct?

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 09:38 AM

The barrelled version was a later model, correct?


I think so. These barrells were equal to the Handgonnes huotong.

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 04:03 PM

BTW, video of Hwacha in action.

http://www.arrow.or.....php?cate=data7

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Posted 15 November 2005 - 05:13 PM

Excellent find. That's a Korean Archery site in Chinese?
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Posted 16 November 2005 - 06:30 PM

Very impressive. But why did they do parabolic fire? One would assume that linear fire would be more powerful...

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 08:10 AM

Very impressive. But why did they do parabolic fire? One would assume that linear fire would be more powerful...


You are completely right. But the distance should be shorter. I think barrelled models performed as you assume.

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Posted 17 November 2005 - 10:57 AM

Very impressive. But why did they do parabolic fire? One would assume that linear fire would be more powerful...


(pedantic mode on....) :rolleyes:

Flight is always parabolic (well hyperbolic for powered flight, and if you ignore slowing down due to air resistance), no such thing as 'linear' or 'flat' fire.

For a rocket, highest impact is when it stops accelerating (normaly shortly before the motor burns out), at very short ranges the rocket hasn't built up to it's maximum speed, not a problem for any incendiary or explosive charge, but it does reduce the 'spear' impact.
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 11:39 AM

has the power of the impact ever been recorded?

kinda like how we know when a bow is 80 lbs or 150 lbs.
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 04:29 PM

I'm curious, is the "Lianzhu Pao" mentioned in this article the same weapon as Huoche?

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 04:08 AM

I'm curious, is the "Lianzhu Pao" mentioned in this article the same weapon as Huoche?


I found liangzhu pao in Tiangong kaiwu. It is a cannon which fires a multiple shots like small pearl balls.

You can find it here in attached file (the upper one is baizi liangzhu pao)

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Posted 18 November 2005 - 05:08 AM

I found liangzhu pao in Tiangong kaiwu. It is a cannon which fires a multiple shots like small pearl balls.

You can find it here in attached file (the upper one is baizi liangzhu pao)


Thank you!

Judging by the composition of a firearms battallion mentioned in the article. It seems the Huoche must have lost favour in China.

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Posted 03 December 2005 - 08:57 PM

To answer the question posed by TMpikachu earlier. These rockets were supposed to be pretty powerful, capable of piercing iron breastplates and two inches of hardwood. According to Prof. Needham at least.

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 05:16 AM

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Here is another picture of the missile launcher in warfare
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 09:00 PM

GZ, where did you get this picture from?
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 09:06 PM

GZ, where did you get this picture from?


The pictures seems to be from Osprey series. I've d/l it from Tiexue forum at http://bbs.tiexue.ne..._1092095_1.html
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