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[lianghaochen]

it is a fiction based on a histrocial text named san guo zhi(三国志)

[青文景武剑]

SanGuoZhi is one of the top piece in 24Shi, in my opinion, the wording is much easier compare to some of the others.

[xu huang]

I have found a web page that lists almost all the fiction in SGYY. I'm not sure whether it is 100%, but I think it's adequate. I forgot the exact link, but I know it's from guoxue.com. It's in Chinese, but I'll do the translation.

Here goes....the list of fictions in SGYY.

Chapter 1 :
1)The 3 brothers swore an oath of brotherhood.
2)The 3 brothers save Dong Zhuo.
Fictional Character : Cheng Yuanzhi

Chapter 2 :
1)Liu Bei uses ox's blood to break Zhang Bao's magic.
2)Zhang Fei whipping the inspector.
3)Jian Shuo was actually killed by He Jin and not Guo Sheng.
Fictional Characters : Yan Zheng, Xu Shao, Guo Sheng

Chapter 3 :
1)Li Su using Red Hare, gold , pearls and a jade belt to induce Lu Bu to kill Ding Yuan

Chapter 4 :
1)Ding Guan using his ivory tablet to attack Dong Zhuo.
2)Cao Cao's attempted assasination of Dong Zhuo.
3)Cao Cao being caught by Chen Gong.
4)Cao Cao's killing of Lu Boshe.

Chapter 5 :
1)The pledge of the alliance was actually written by Zang Hong.
2)Bao Zhong slain by Hua Xiong.
3)Hua Xiong slain by Guan Yu. Hua Xiong was actually killed by Sun Jian
4)Lu Bu fights the 3 brothers.
Fictional Characters : Wu Anguo, Bao Zhong, Yu She, Pan Feng, Fang Yue, Mu Shun, Zhao Cen

I will continue the rest later........however, if you guys don't like it, I will stop. Just inform me.

Edited by xu huang, 03 August 2005 - 03:21 AM.

[Liu Bei]

It's not that I don't like them, but you can find them in lots of websites.

[xu huang]

Liu Bei, can you post the links here? I forgot the actual link, but it's in Chinese, so I translated them for the benefit of those who can't read Chinese.


Chapter 6
1)Yuan Shao trying to take the Imperial Seal from Sun Jian
2)Liu Biao in battle against Sun Jian

Chapter 7
1)Sun Jian undefeated in battle
2)Exhanging of Sun Jian’s body
Fictional Character : Chen Sheng

Chapter 8
1)Wang Yun plotting the Chaining scheme
2)Dong Zhuo Rages at Pheonix Pavilion
Fictional Character : Diao Chan

Chapter 9
1)Any scene with Diao Chan and Lu Bu
2)The description of Dong Zhuo’s death

Chapter 10
1)Li Meng, Wang Fang killed by Ma Chao
Fictional Character : Li Bie

Chapter 11
1)Tao Qian’s character in the novel does not match his character in SGZ
2)Tao Qian offering Xuzhou to Liu Bei
3)Chen Gong advising Lu Bu to lay an ambush to attack Cao Cao
Fictional Character : Cao De

Chapter 12
1)Cao Cao using strategy to defeat Lu Bu
Fictional Character : Zong Bao

Chapter 13
1)Liu Bei offering Xuzhou to Lu Bu
2)Guo Si and Li Jue dueling in Chang An
Fictional Character : Cui Yong

Chapter 14
1)Cao Cao and his generals receiving the Emperor
2)Cao Cao using the 'Rival Tigers and One Prey' ruse to sow discord between Lu Bu and Liu Bei
Fictional Character : Li Xian, Xun Zheng

Chapter 15
1)Taishi Ci dueling with Sun Ce

Chapter 16
1)Zhang Xiu attacking Cao Cao
2)Cao Cao seducing Zhang Ji’s wife
3)Burning of Cao Cao’s camp

Chapter 17 – None

Chapter 18
1)Chen Gong intercepts the reply letter from Liu Bei to Cao Cao
2)Guan Yu’s conversation with Zhang Liao

Chapter 19
1)Liu An killing his wife and serve her meat to Liu Bei
2)Chen Gui betraying Lu Bu
3)Chen Gui’s plot to make Lu Bu and Chen Gong’s troops fight one another
4)Zhang Liao’s surrender to Cao Cao was not like what was described in the novel

Chapter 20
1)Dong Cheng receiving the secret command was true, but was not written in detail in SGZ

Chapter 21
1)Dong Cheng going 3 miles away from the city to bid Liu Bei farewell
2)Che Zhou meeting Liu Bei when he had just arrived at Xuzhou
3)Che Zhou killed in battle against Liu Bei

Chapter 22
1)Liu Dai and Wang Zhong captured and later freed by Liu Bei

Chapter 23
1)Ji Ping is called Ji Ben in SGZ

Chapter 24
1)Liu Bei raiding Cao Cao’s camp in the night

Chapter 25
1)Guan Yu’s 3 conditions to Cao Cao
2)The treatment of Guan Yu by Cao Cao was overly exaggerated

Chapter 26
1)Wen Chou was actually killed by Cao Cao’s troops
2)Guan Yu bidding farewell to Cao Cao

Chapter 27
Entirely fictional
Fictional Character : Du Yuan, Hu Hua, Hu Ban, Wang Zhi, Kong Xiu, Han Fu, Meng Tan, Bian Xi, Pu Jing, Qin Qi

Chapter 28
1)Guan Yu killing Cai Yang
Fictional Character : Guo Chang, Pei Yuan Shao, Zhou Cang, Guan Ding, Guan Ning

Chapter 29
1)Hua Tuo’s disciple treating Sun Ce

Chapter 30 - None

Edited by xu huang, 04 August 2005 - 10:05 AM.

[Yun]

Chapter 1 :
1)The 3 brothers swore an oath of brotherhood.
2)The 3 brothers save Dong Zhuo.
Fictional Character : Cheng Yuanzhi

The involvement of Liu Bei, Guan Yu and Zhang Fei in the battles fought by Lu Zhi, Zhu Jun and Huangpu Song are also fictional. The roles of Zhu Jun and Sun Jian in the siege of Wan are historical, though. In reality, Liu Bei only played a minor role in Zou Jing's army.

2)Zhang Fei whipping the inspector.

It was Liu Bei who whipped the inspector in the SGZ.

3)Che Zhou killed in battle against Liu Bei

Che Zhou was indeed killed by Liu Bei. But there is no record that he was slain by Guan Yu, as depicted in the novel.

1)Yan Liang was actually killed by Cao Cao’s troops

Guan Yu did kill Yan Liang single-handedly. But Wen Chou was killed by Cao Cao's army.

[xu huang]

So......shall I continue or shall I stop?

Anyway, thanks for clearing some wrong info, Yun

[Yun]

Do continue. I'll try to correct whatever I can.

Zhang Xiu attacking Cao Cao
2)Cao Cao seducing Zhang Ji’s wife

Actually Zhang Xiu did attack Cao Cao's camp, killing both Dian Wei and Cao Ang, because Cao Cao took Zhang Ji's widow as a concubine. However it was probably not so much of a 'seduction' as just an exercise of power (i.e. "send your uncle's former wife to my camp"), and the lady's maiden name of Zou was made up by the novel.

[xu huang]

ok...thanks Yun.

Chapter 31
1)Cao Cao’s ‘Ten Ambushes’ plan against Yuan Shao
2)Liu Bei’s defeat by Cao Cao
3)Cai Mao disagreeing with Liu Biao’s decision to keep Liu Bei

Chapter 32
1)Yuan Tan faking illness
Fictional Characters : Wang Zhao, Cen Pi

Chapter 33
1)Guo Jia’s scheme was in fact Cao Cao’s
Fictional character : Peng An

Chapter 34
1)Zhang Wu, Chen Sun’s rebellion
2)Yi Ji’s advice to Liu Bei against the horse, Dilu
3)Lady Cai eavesdropping on Liu Biao and Liu Bei’s conversation
4)Cai Mao trying to harm Liu Bei
Fictional Characters : Zhang Wu, Chen Sun

Chapter 35 – None

Chapter 36
1)Cao Ren, Li Dian defeated twice in a row
2)Cheng Yu’s plot to send Xu Shu’s mother to the capital

Chapter 37
1)Xu Shu’s mother admonishing Xu Shu

Chapter 38
1)The scenary and conversation on the 3rd visit by Liu Bei to Zhuge Liang

Chapter 39
1)Ling Tong trying to kill Gan Ning
2)Liu Biao asking Liu Bei to take revenge for Huang Zu

Chapter 40
1)Li Gui scolding Cai Mao even when he was being dragged away for execution


I'll continue the rest later. It's late..........

[xu huang]

Chapter 41
1)Xu Shu’s visit to persuade Liu Bei to surrender
2)Liu Bei trying to jump into the river to commit suicide
3)Cao Cao actually did not kill Liu Zong and his mother
4)Wei Yan seeking refuge in Changsha

Chapter 42
1)Zhuge Liang’s activities were not recorded in SGZ
2)Zhao Yun did not kill so much generals as recorded in SGYY

Chapter 43
1)The conversation between Zhuge Liang and the Wu officials

Chapter 44
1)Poem of Bronze Bird Terrace was partially true
2)Cheng Pu angry at being passed over for the post of Commander
3)Zhuge Jin’s conversation with Zhuge Liang

Chapter 45
1)Severing Cao Cao’s supply line at Iron Pile Mountain
2)Zhou Yu’s plot to kill Liu Bei
3)Jiang Gan tricked by Zhou Yu was not totally true
4)Zhang Yun, Cai Mao killed by Cao Cao

Chapter 46
1)Borrowing Cao Cao’s arrows are true, but location and persons involved are not true
2)Huang Gai’s plot was true, but was not as written in the novel, thought by Zhou Yu and Zhuge Liang

Chapter 47
1)Only Huang Gai’s false surrender and the letter are true. The rest are not.

Chapter 48
1)Only the event involving Cao Cao reciting poem and Liu Fu are true.
Fictional Character : Lu Tong

Chapter 49
1)Battle of Chibi, Huang Gai setting fire and injured by an arrow are true. The rest are not

Chapter 50
1)Cao Cao laughing 3 times while escaping
2)Zhuge Liang celebrating the victory
3)Guan Yu releases Cao Cao at Huarong

[Yun]

)Wei Yan seeking refuge in Changsha

There is actually no record of Wei Yan having originally been Liu Biao's general.

Chapter 42
1)Zhuge Liang’s activities were not recorded in SGZ
2)Zhao Yun did not kill so much generals as recorded in SGYY

Actually, both Xu Shu/Shan Fu and Zhuge Liang were present in this retreat. It was only at this time that Shan Fu's mother was captured by Cao Cao and he decided to leave Liu Bei. Also, Zhao Yun is not recorded as having killed any generals at all.

3)Jiang Gan tricked by Zhou Yu was not totally true

In history, Zhou Yu showed off his army to Jiang Gan and questioned Jiang about his true intention in coming to visit. Jiang prudently chose to say nothing and just smiled, and when he returned to Cao Cao he praised Zhou Yu and said that Zhou was determined to fight.

Chapter 46
1)Borrowing Cao Cao’s arrows are true, but location and persons involved are not true

There was no borrowing. The historical incident was when Sun Quan's ship was covered on one side with crossbow bolts from Cao's troops during a battle, and he had to turn it around to prevent it from capsizing.

Chapter 48
1)Only the event involving Cao Cao reciting poem and Liu Fu are true.

Nope, Cao Cao is not known to have recited his poem at such an occasion. Liu Fu was also not killed by Cao Cao.

Chapter 49
1)Battle of Chibi, Huang Gai setting fire and injured by an arrow are true. The rest are not

You forgot to mention that Zhuge Liang's wind-changing ritual is also not historical.

[xu huang]

Chapter 51
1)Zhou Yu crossing the You River
2)Zhou Yu faking death

Chapter 52
1)Zhou Yu giving the southern lands to Liu Bei
2)Taking the 4 provinces are true, but the description of the battle is false.
3)Zhao Yun rejecting Zhao Fan’s sis-in-law is true, but not as described in SGZ

Chapter 53
1)Zhang Fei taking Wuling
2)Guan Yu releasing Huang Zhong
3)Han Xuan and Jin Xuan were not killed during the conflict

Chapter 54
Fictional Character : State Patriarch Qiao, Dowager Marchioness

Chapter 55
1)妹才捷刚猛及瑜上疏为真外，其余全为虚构. (I don’t know how to translate, so Yun, pls help out here. Thanks.)

Chapter 56
1)The plan to return Jingzhou after taking the western lands was actually by Sun Quan
2)The one who opposes the idea was Wang Guan of Shu

Chapter 57
1)Death of Zhou Yu was not true
2)Zhuge Liang attending Zhou Yu’s funeral
3)Sun Quan despising Pang Tong
4)Ma Teng and Huang Kui trying to assassinate Cao Cao
Fictional Character : Huang Kui, Miao Ze, Li Chun Xiang

Chapter 58
1)Cao Cao preparing to attack the south
2)Ma Chao’s dream
3)Cao Ren losing Tong Pass
4)Cao Cao nearly killed by Ma Chao
Fictional Character : Zhong Jing, Cao Yong, Zhang Heng

Chapter 59
1)Xu Chu stripping to duel with Ma Chao
2)Han Sui’s plan to kill Cao Cao with Ma Chao in ambush

Chapter 60
1)Zhang Song turns the table on Yang Xiu
2)Zhang Song ridiculing Cao Cao
3)Liu Bei receiving Zhang Song
4)Li Hui’s stand is different from history


I will be going to Shanghai this coming thursday for about 2 weeks, so I see what I can do now for the moment. Hopefully I have free internet access in Shanghai. If not, this will have to wait.

[xu huang]

Chapter 61
1)The sword-dancing during the banquet
2)Dowager Marchioness lecturing Sun Quan
3)Cao Cao's dream
Fictional Character : Zhou Shan

Chapter 62
1)Zhao Zhao's plot
2)Yang Huai, Gao Pei assasinating Liu Bei
3)Huang Zhong saving Wei Yan
Fictional Character : Liu Gui

Chapter 63
1)Zhuge Liang's warning to Liu Bei about the West River Land
2)The name of the place where Pang Tong died
3)Zhuge Liang's mourning for Pang Tong
4)Zhang Fei releasing Yan Yan is true, but not as detailed in SGZ

Chapter 64
Fictional Character : Zhuo Ying

Chapter 65
1)Ma Chao duelling with Zhang Fei at Jiameng Pass
2)Liu Bei bribing Yang Song
3)Li Hui's speech to persuade Ma Chao to join Liu Bei

Chapter 66
1)Xun You's cause of death
Fictional Character : Yang Ren

Chapter 67
Fictional Character : Yang Song

Chapter 68
1)Zuo Ci ridiculing Cao Cao only half true

Chapter 69
1)Zhao Yang extending his life span

Chapter 70
1)Huang Zhong Captures Tiandang Mountain By Stratagem
2)There is no Tiandang Mountain

[xu huang]

Chapter 71
1) Huang Zhong did not personally kill Xiahou Yuan
2) Cao Cao passing by Cai Yong's house

Chapter 72
1) Events at Mountain of 5 borders
2) Baozhou
3) “一人一口酥”，阔字 by Yang Xiu

Chapter 73
1) Liu Bei declining to be Prince of Hanzhong
2) Guan Yu defeating Xiahou Cun and Lu Chang
Fictional Character : Zhai Yuan, Wang Fu

Chapter 74
1) Pang De carrying the coffin
2) Pang De duelling with Guan Yu and Guan Ping
3) Zengkou Stream

Chapter 75
1) Lu Meng executing his friend from the same village

Chapter 76
1) Guan Yu requesting 10000 carts of white rice from Nanjun and Gongan
2) Zhuge Jin urging Guan Yu to surrender to Wu

Chapter 77
1) Lu Meng's death
2) Guan Yu manifests at Jade Spring Mountain
3) Cao Cao possesed in Luoyang
4) Liu Bei seeing Guan Yu after he died

Chapter 78
1) Treatise of the Black Bag
2) Cao Cao's dream about the 3 horses

Chapter 79
1) Cao Pi forcing his brothers

Chapter 80
1) Empress Cao scolding Cao Pi
2) Zu Bi's death
3) Zhuge Liang faking illness
Fictional Character : Zu Bi

[xu huang]

Here I come again.....

Chapter 81
1) Zhuge Liang's plea to Liu Bei not to attack Wu.
2) Zhang Fei feeling uneasy before his death
3) The duel between Zhang Bao and Guan Xing

Chapter 82
1) Sun Huan defeated by Shu
Fictional characters : Xia Xun, Zhou Ping

Chapter 83
1) Huang Zhong's death
2) Pan Zhang's death
3) Sacrifice of Fan Jiang and Zhang Da
4) Recommendation of Lu Xun

Chapter 84
1) Zhuge Liang criticising the layout of the camps.
2) The Eight Array Maze
3) Lady Sun drowning in the river
Fictional Character : Cheng Jin

Chapter 85
1) The 5 attacks that Sima Yi planned which Zhuge Liang camly settles. (Will discuss in detail in another thread.)

Chapter 86
1) Lu Xun's speech on Wei's attack
2) The cauldron of oil and the armed guards when receiving Deng Zhi
3) Sun Shao and Xu Sheng's quarrel
4) Zhang Liao's death

Chapter 87
1) Zhao Yun fighting the 3 chiefs
Fictional Character : Guan Suo, E Huan, Jinhuan Sanjie, Dong Tuna, Ahui Nan

Chapter 88
Fictional Character : Meng You

Chapter 89
Fictional Character : King Duosi, Yang Feng, Meng Jie

Chapter 90
Fictional Character : Zhu Rong, King Mulu, Dailai Dongzhu

Note : Zhang Bao was recorded as having died early, so there was no way he could have took part in all these battles. Guan Xing was appointed as Superintendant of the Central Army, but died soon. He was more of a civil officer to me. No records of him taking part in these battles too.