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[yingxiong]

So...what can I say? Hail China.
In the US, there are still many people who are inclined to be anti-Chinese. I have been called a traitor by people who thinks that Taiwan should be an independent country.

I just joined and this is my first post. I've not been to the USA and I don't know what the attitude towards Chinese is like from the peoples of that country, but I don't know why they would be anti-Chinese. I'll save my rationale about China and Taiwan for the relevant sections but the bigger picture and reasoning need to be used for decision making for ALL of China that was and is now China.

[Genghis_Khan]

Thanks General Yun!!
That's a brief info of China..
Is there any thread in this forum that discuss the history of each province and county or city of China ?
How about non-Han kingdoms such as the Jin, Dali, Liao and etc?

Edited by Genghis_Khan, 18 April 2006 - 10:59 PM.

[Rong Qin Wang]

The name "Zhong Guo 中国" (middle kingdom) first appeared during the Spring/Autum and warring states period, where the states in the central plain of China were known as "Zhong Guo" (middle kingdom). However, this was only a term not officially used.

China became called "Zhong Guo" (in chinese) only fairly recent in 1911 when the "Republic of China (Zhong Hua Min Guo 中华民国)" was founded by Sun Yat Sen. (Zhong Hua Min Guo 中华民国) in "short-form" is "Zhong Guo 中国".

You should realise that "Republic of Korea (Da Han Min Guo 大韩民国)"'s short-form is "Han Guo 韩国".

United States of America (Mei Li Jian He Zong Guo 美利坚合纵国) 's short-form is "Mei Guo 美国)

Zunjing de General Zhaoyun,

Thank you so much for providing other members with a brief, but comprehensive history of China. I could have never written something that compressed!

Hmm, I have always wondered when did China start referring their country as “Zhong Quo.” I guess this term has been under a lot of constructions beginning with the early Zhou Dynasty to the modern era. I have just learned that Sun Yat Sen founded the “Zhong Hua Min Guo” in 1911 and the name “Zhong Guo” was its short form.

So, the short form of “Da Han Min Guo” is “Han Guo?” I have always referred to Korea as “Da Han” in the past and everyone understood which country I was talking about. However, have I been using this term incorrectly all this time?

Xie Xie,

[Ashura]

Zunjing de General Zhaoyun,

Thank you so much for providing other members with a brief, but comprehensive history of China. I could have never written something that compressed!

Hmm, I have always wondered when did China start referring their country as “Zhong Quo.” I guess this term has been under a lot of constructions beginning with the early Zhou Dynasty to the modern era. I have just learned that Sun Yat Sen founded the “Zhong Hua Min Guo” in 1911 and the name “Zhong Guo” was its short form.

So, the short form of “Da Han Min Guo” is “Han Guo?” I have always referred to Korea as “Da Han” in the past and everyone understood which country I was talking about. However, have I been using this term incorrectly all this time?

Xie Xie,

Actually the term Zhong Guo was not even a term or a name at that time. It was merely a description of the countries. Literally translated it is "the states in the middle". In the ZZTJ I have Zhong Guo is never marked by the "the specific term mark", while the names of places do.

[General Guan Yu]

Thanks Zhao Yun. But can anuone tell me more about the rule of Emperor Chong Zhen of Ming Dynasty. I am more interested in him. I dun think he is as bad as described by the history. I think put the blame of the fall of Ming Dynasty on him. What you guys think?

[lucky6]

Perhaps I belong to people who are interested to know how China gets its name as China appearing in the Map yet is known as ZhongGuo 中国 or Zhong Hua Min Guo 中华民国. Nevertheless, no one outside China can fail to know that the Chinese or Huaren 华人or zhongguoren 中国人 are people from China. (Not so for Taiwan, they are referred to as Taiwanese). Now for another name which China was known for ages past and that is Shen zhou 神州. I would greatly appreciate to be able to get information on this too.

I think maybe you have awrong idea about Taiwan.if you want to learn about 中国，you must know and think they are中国人,not Taiwanese.Furthermore,Chinese also be called yanhuangzisun 炎黄子孙and longdechuanren 龙的传人

[General_Zhaoyun]

Thanks General Yun!!
That's a brief info of China..
Is there any thread in this forum that discuss the history of each province and county or city of China ?
How about non-Han kingdoms such as the Jin, Dali, Liao and etc?

There is currently no threads discussing the history of each province/city/county but you might want to go to our chinese geography forum to discuss it.

Zunjing de General Zhaoyun,

Thank you so much for providing other members with a brief, but comprehensive history of China. I could have never written something that compressed!

Hmm, I have always wondered when did China start referring their country as "Zhong Quo." I guess this term has been under a lot of constructions beginning with the early Zhou Dynasty to the modern era. I have just learned that Sun Yat Sen founded the "Zhong Hua Min Guo" in 1911 and the name "Zhong Guo" was its short form.

Xie Xie,

Refer to this article that I've translated for the history of terms used for referring to China, esp. Zhong Guo

http://www.chinahist...showtopic=15540

So, the short form of "Da Han Min Guo" is "Han Guo?" I have always referred to Korea as "Da Han" in the past and everyone understood which country I was talking about. However, have I been using this term incorrectly all this time?

Republic of Korea is called "Da Han Min Guo 大韩民国" (short form "Han Guo 韩国"). Note that the character "han 韩 " used for korea is different from the character "han 汉" used for Han dynasty (in chinese history).

Thanks Zhao Yun. But can anuone tell me more about the rule of Emperor Chong Zhen of Ming Dynasty. I am more interested in him. I dun think he is as bad as described by the history. I think put the blame of the fall of Ming Dynasty on him. What you guys think?

For info regarding Emperor Chong Zhen of Ming dynasty, refer to this thread

http://www.chinahist...showtopic=18727

I think maybe you have awrong idea about Taiwan.if you want to learn about 中国，you must know and think they are中国人,not Taiwanese.Furthermore,Chinese also be called yanhuangzisun 炎黄子孙and longdechuanren 龙的传人

Taiwanese referred to themselves as "Taiwanese", which is just like Shanghainese refer to themselves as "Shanghainese", largely based on the origin of location. They might also call themselves "Taiwanese" to differentiate from mainlanders, but when it's about race/culture identity, they will most likely refer themselves as Zhongguo Ren (Chinese). There had been some association with local Taiwanese cultural identity and independent group like to stress that the local Taiwanese culture is different from mainland Chinese culture. However, in actual fact, local Taiwanese culture is still essentially chinese culture in nature, but mixed with some Japanese and American cultural influence. There are various aspects of traditional chinese culture in Taiwan that is still better-perserved but has disappeared in mainland China.

[zhuyuanzhang]

wow... i never though China's history was so um... fascinating... i was even more surprised when i found out that my ancestor Zhu Yuan Zhang was part of the ming dynasty...

also... i was just wondering... how come the people always said "fan qing fu ming" like overthrowing the Qing dynasty and getting back the Ming dynasty... but in the other dynasties... that never happened...

is there a reason why??? or is it just some mind set???

[General_Zhaoyun]

also... i was just wondering... how come the people always said "fan qing fu ming" like overthrowing the Qing dynasty and getting back the Ming dynasty... but in the other dynasties... that never happened...

is there a reason why??? or is it just some mind set???

The 'fan qing fu ming 反清复明" (literally "rebel against the Qing and restore Ming") was an anti-Manchu/Qing movement in China during Qing dynasty period. You will probably heard of this because of many wuxia dramas such as those of Jinyong depicting this mindset in their drama series. During the Qing dynasty period, the han people regarded the Manchus as foreign invaders and thus some of them decided to rebel against the Qing hoping to restore "Ming dynasty".

This was further propagated by an Anti-Qing and Anti-Manchu movement during the late 19th and early 20th century, when Sun Yat Sen organised a revolution to overthrow the Qing dynasty.

The rebellion against a dynasty took place in every dynasty, but often the rebel leaders would want to set up a new dynasty if the rebellion is successful.

[Mountain Recluse]

I am most happy to read the introduction. I merely screen through the contents and would come back for detailed reading. However, in a forum operating by other website, I was suggesting that China was the name given during the rule of Qin Dynasty. Qin was spelt as Chin and 'a' was for grandpa. That was how the name China was formed. The introduction however gives some explanation on this.

I quote below what is said in this China History for beginners. 'In 221 bc, the king of Qin proclaimed himself Shi Huangdi, or First Emperor of the Qin dynasty. The name China is derived from this dynasty.'

Thank you for the information. That settled my search. But I would appreciate if anyone would point out when was China known as Zhong Guo?

"Zhong Guo" apeared as early as in "Zhan Guo Ce", but it was not refering to a country or state, in Sima Qian's Shi Ji, there are also the terms of "Zhong Guo" and even "Zhong Guo Ren Min".

[SinoCavalier]

So...what can I say? Hail China.
In the US, there are still many people who are inclined to be anti-Chinese. I have been called a traitor by people who thinks that Taiwan should be an independent country.

Sorry to hear that indeed. Time will prove out who you were and what you did.

[yuchen_116]

Genghis Khan's name astonishes me greatly. So, I even overlook the topic you talked.

[john deon]

Yes this is superb! infact when i wan watching one documentary on discovery about history if china i was surprised that china also have many things same as india this is one of them.....

[ScottLeger]

This is a nice information , i think i should take a printout of this Page ..

[aloveforvietnam]

Thank you for posting this informative and interesting thread.