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#61 shunyadragon

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 06:44 PM

a fascinating topic, for a novice who only knows about jewelry green jade.
do you have any geological comparisons between the nephrites of New Zealand, British Columbia and Asia?
Burmese Jewelry Jade, what are their related sources elsewhere in the world?


Nephrite form Kunlunshan in Xinjiang is probably the best nephrite in the world, and it is likely the largest deposit in the world. The best colors are mostly white and pale green, but there are some very dark nephrites that are almost black and some interesting mottled gray and browns. Lesser colors are darker greens, yellow and blue. It is the toughest nephrite for carving, likely only riviled by New Zealand, which to me has the next best in terms of quality. New Zealand nephrite is generally darker greens, but there are some nice white stones.

I like Wyoming nephrite better than Canada, but the known deposites are not large, An interesting color found there is pink.

British Colombia being the next largest Xinjiang. There are pretty colors, brighter colors than Kunlushan in China, and there are some Tiger Eye nephrite too, but this nephrite is more brittle.

Taiwan nephrite is brittle and includes Tiger Eye. The colors are brighter greens than Kunlunshan and white, with other lesser colors. Korean nephrite is similar to Taiwan, but more white.

Siberia has nephrite, but it is generally poor quality.

I just recently learned of Vietnamese nephrite here, and know little about it.

Edited by shunyadragon, 08 October 2007 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 08 October 2007 - 09:19 PM

Nephrite form Kunlunshan in Xinjiang is probably the best nephrite in the world, and it is likely the largest deposit in the world. The best colors are mostly white and pale green, but there are some very dark nephrites that are almost black and some interesting mottled gray and browns. Lesser colors are darker greens, yellow and blue. It is the toughest nephrite for carving, likely only riviled by New Zealand, which to me has the next best in terms of quality. New Zealand nephrite is generally darker greens, but there are some nice white stones.

I like Wyoming nephrite better than Canada, but the known deposites are not large, An interesting color found there is pink.

British Colombia being the next largest Xinjiang. There are pretty colors, brighter colors than Kunlushan in China, and there are some Tiger Eye nephrite too, but this nephrite is more brittle.

Taiwan nephrite is brittle and includes Tiger Eye. The colors are brighter greens than Kunlunshan and white, with other lesser colors. Korean nephrite is similar to Taiwan, but more white.

Siberia has nephrite, but it is generally poor quality.

I just recently learned of Vietnamese nephrite here, and know little about it.


Per several sources which indicate the quality of nephrites found in Vietnam is not of "gem" grade but more suitable for ornamental purposes ....! A few years ago, Vietnam was the second source of high grade ruby (compatible to that of Burma) but the fad ... seems to dying off ...; however, the control of the gem quality mines in Vietnam is remained quite secretive ... therefore .. there are still plenty of room for rumors to run amok! :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 07:11 PM

I read a few months ago in some international news, perhaps the BBC's, that looted Chinese artefacts tend to be smuggled into HK. Once in HK, they can be 'legally' (according to HK law) sold onward.

In that light, as much as I would like to possess ancient Chinese artefacts, I do not think that I would want to collect any from unprovenanced sources, at least not until the smuggling will have been controlled and HK law will have changed to require provenance for the legal sale of all such antiquities ...

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Posted 23 September 2008 - 07:47 PM

I read a few months ago in some international news, perhaps the BBC's, that looted Chinese artefacts tend to be smuggled into HK. Once in HK, they can be 'legally' (according to HK law) sold onward.

In that light, as much as I would like to possess ancient Chinese artefacts, I do not think that I would want to collect any from unprovenanced sources, at least not until the smuggling will have been controlled and HK law will have changed to require provenance for the legal sale of all such antiquities ...



Smuggling is very real, counterfeiting is probably the biggest game in HK. No it is not legal in HK to market in contraband jades from China. Chinese dinosaur fossils from Liaoning were the hot item for a while but this market has cooled off, because of China's policy of executing smugglers.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 05:28 PM

Hong Kong is a major source for smuggling artifacts because it has the right connections such as a long established trade links with China and the presence of triads who facilitate trafficking through the underworld etc.

But then again it is not difficult smuggling artificats out of China if you have the right connections to find them for you in the first place. It is far harder to find a genuine antique artifact like a piece of jade than getting it out of the country. Customs rarely check the bags of foreigners. With plus 98% of supposed artifacts sold in China being fakes or copies and many sold to tourists it is very difficult and time consuming for customs to tell which is genuine and which is not. And customs are more interested in terrorist activities, weapons and drugs in that order these days instead of being bothered with trinkets.

Every now and then they have a periodic crackdown and arrest a few hapless underlings in the trade. I saw a recent news article of one such arrest. The pictures of the supposed booty was of all obvious fakes. Makes me wonder whether the arrest was also faked for publicity purposes.


Just about every visitor to China takes home some souvenier which may be a copy of an antique or rarely even genuine. Legally exported antiques(currently those made after 1911) are supposed to have red wax export seals on them. But these seals are even faked too.

The same applies for Vietnam. Many valuable antiques have left the country in the past 15-20 years. Once where there was mainly quality genuine antiques in shops in Ly Cong Kieu St, AKA Antique St in Saigon now are cluttered with fakes or second rate items. And a well placed $50 or $100 bill in ones travel documents nearly always facillitates passage through customs in case problems arise when leaving Vietnam.

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Posted 26 January 2009 - 09:28 PM

I read a few months ago in some international news, perhaps the BBC's, that looted Chinese artefacts tend to be smuggled into HK. Once in HK, they can be 'legally' (according to HK law) sold onward.

In that light, as much as I would like to possess ancient Chinese artefacts, I do not think that I would want to collect any from unprovenanced sources, at least not until the smuggling will have been controlled and HK law will have changed to require provenance for the legal sale of all such antiquities ...

It is easy for a journalist to travel to HK & see ceramics in a window, and then realise that some of the material is looted and then write on the harm the HK market does to Chinese heritage.
I can also see cars moving on the road out the window and deduce that this is why the earth is warming up.
Well, yes & no. The situation looks bigger and more complex if you consider further.
I will still drive a car if the situation arises.
The Hong Kong antiques market, and the Western market, has been said by several well placed people, to have been in a decline for years now. I have seen some evidence of it in changes just over recent years. Wealthy collectors inside China, some who collect at scales that Westerners cannot consider, are driving the market in looted antiques upwards by their own demand. The Chinese government takes limited steps to protect its archaeological heritage, sometimes contradictory steps.
Consider the scale of construction/development and the economic priorities of the Chinese regime.
Rescue archaeology is impoverished in the path of massive build projects & archaeologists are not well paid. I have seen suggestions and heard allegations of sales from archaeological digs ...let alone artefacts coming from the looting of criminals. The very poor standards of recording by past archaeologists (in the Mao period) certainly makes the sale of uncatologued materials very likely let alone the more modern excavations which I am told have had material sold off.

The markets at Hong Kong cannot be said to be the driving force of destruction on the mainland. The HK market is a factor as part of the whole market factor but how great a factor I have to wonder. I also know that it will become less and less so with time. It is all very emotive to see the objects for sale in Hong Kong {especially when round-eyed devils can legally buy them}...but who has seen the more interesting artefact markets at places like Zhengzhou or Xian which are availible to mainland purchasers?
The market for antiquties in China is actively expanding and this is quite a paradox. Rather than being regulated it is being opened up. There is increasingly a wealthy class of profiteers who can purchase Chinese antiques both on mainland markets...and purchase even on foreign markets. The demand from Chinese collectors means sellers need not bother to send material to Hong Kong if they sell in Beijing {perhaps the journalist does not know this!}, and the effects of this can be seen in availibility and prices outside China.
The signifigance of the expansion of artefact markets in China itself means all the damage accusatons that get leveled at the Hong Kong markets or foreign auction houses should now also be blamed on the lack of protection of sites in China and the profiteering that occurs on the mainland. This is an expanding economy, and openly so. To be clear, if China was really sincere about protecting its heritage (which it is typically not, unless its heritage can be marketed somehow) then the import ban that the United States just agreed to (a new ban on import of Chinese antiques) would be followed through with similar logic about site destruction driven by Chinese collecting also. It really seems odd to ask other nations to stop the movement of Chinese objects at their borders, on the assumption that heritage is threatenend and sites are being looted to meet demand, when there is no control over sale of the same objects inside China. Sure, some random looters are executed by Chinese courts. The farmer who got a tiny payment to dig might be killed if somebody needs to be punished, but the city auctioneer who sells it to a rich factory owner for a huge profit is actually given increasing freedom. Asking foreigners to police their citizens & pass laws appeals to nationalism but not to common sense or intellectual details. If the issue is, as China claims, about protecting heritage sites from pillaging and clandestine looting then import restrictions are ineffective in the face of expanded unregulated trade inside China. Years ago I read an article where a Chinese businessmen declared artefacts & antiques as a more profitable investment that real estate.
It doesn't take much thought to deduce that tombs are still dynamited and objects stolen from archaeological sites for the same internal market, and that the permanent loss to science & history as a result of this loss of context is a result.
Whatever way you look at it, whether the current policy makes sense or not, it does seem that the Hong Kong markets are perhaps a little overblown as a cause of site destruction in China (consider the Three Gorges Dam). It also seems the Chinese governments concerns over American collectors are perhaps about nationalism rather than real conservation, or if we credit the CPC with more business savvy it could be about protecting its growing internal antiques market.

Here is a portion of an e-mail I recieved from a friend who is privy to finer details of the new US embargo of Chinese artefacts in particular.
The feeling about the contradictory behaviour of the Chinese government is one that I have felt for some time also, and why the actual embargos negotiated with far off-shore nationals make little sense.

".......As far as we can tell, the reason the Chinese asked for the embargo concerns the Chinese antiquities auction market. Up until a few years ago, it was illegal for Chinese nationals to own Chinese artifacts. This was changed, and many of the materials entering the Chinese buyer's market did so through the auction houses. Within a very few years the profits from the {internal} market increased from only a few million dollars to many hundreds of millions. Much of the material being auctioned in China is obtained in the exact same manner as is the material which is sold on the international market: it is not recovered through proper archaeological excavation and thus much of its history and provenance are lost. In fact, the Chinese government loosened the provenance requirements for materials on the Chinese antiquities market, making the potential looting situation significantly worse.
This loosening of requirements works in direct opposition of the goals of the 1970 UNESCO Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property. It is this convention upon which the entire embargo agreement is based.

It should be noted that the price which an artifact fetches on the Chinese market is roughly 10 times greater than the price it fetches on the American market.
As a result, the Chinese see potentially greater profits if they keep the items on their own auction circuit, rather than allowing them to be sold to the US. This, it appears, is the real reason for the requested, and now obtained, embargo agreement. It should also be noted that, as far as we have heard to date, the US is the only country with which China has requested an embargo. This appears linked to the fact that, while the US consumes only around 25% of all Chinese antiquities on the non-Chinese market, (including materials as recent as furniture from the early 20th century), we are the biggest single end consumer. If the situation remains that China has only requested an embargo of the US, then it becomes even more evident that the embargo is based on potential monetary profits, rather than on a desire to truly protect its cultural heritage. Were the latter to be the case then it would make sense for China {to seek} embargo agreements with all countries, rather than just one.

During our research into this type of agreement between countries, involving UNESCO guidelines, etc, we learned that the country of origin must take significant steps to protect their cultural heritage. The nature of the required steps is set forth fairly clearly, and includes protecting archaeological sites, and proper conservation of the artifacts, among many other things. From our experience with China, this is not being done to any significant degree. Whether they will increase their efforts over the next few years until they meet the requirements is yet to be seen. Should they fail to meet the requirements by 2014 then they may find themselves with a failed embargo agreement, as these agreements must be revisited and the situation reviewed every five years. Should China fail to uphold its end of protecting its cultural heritage then the agreement is supposed to become null and void, at which time a new agreement would have to be drafted and ratified...."

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Posted 27 January 2009 - 07:21 AM

It is easy for a journalist to travel to HK & see ceramics in a window, and then realise that some of the material is looted and then write on the harm the HK market does to Chinese heritage.
I can also see cars moving on the road out the window and deduce that this is why the earth is warming up.
Well, yes & no. The situation looks bigger and more complex if you consider further.
I will still drive a car if the situation arises.
The Hong Kong antiques market, and the Western market, has been said by several well placed people, to have been in a decline for years now. I have seen some evidence of it in changes just over recent years. Wealthy collectors inside China, some who collect at scales that Westerners cannot consider, are driving the market in looted antiques upwards by their own demand. The Chinese government takes limited steps to protect its archaeological heritage, sometimes contradictory steps.
Consider the scale of construction/development and the economic priorities of the Chinese regime.
Rescue archaeology is impoverished in the path of massive build projects & archaeologists are not well paid. I have seen suggestions and heard allegations of sales from archaeological digs ...let alone artefacts coming from the looting of criminals. The very poor standards of recording by past archaeologists (in the Mao period) certainly makes the sale of uncatologued materials very likely let alone the more modern excavations which I am told have had material sold off.

The markets at Hong Kong cannot be said to be the driving force of destruction on the mainland. The HK market is a factor as part of the whole market factor but how great a factor I have to wonder. I also know that it will become less and less so with time. It is all very emotive to see the objects for sale in Hong Kong {especially when round-eyed devils can legally buy them}...but who has seen the more interesting artefact markets at places like Zhengzhou or Xian which are availible to mainland purchasers?
The market for antiquties in China is actively expanding and this is quite a paradox. Rather than being regulated it is being opened up. There is increasingly a wealthy class of profiteers who can purchase Chinese antiques both on mainland markets...and purchase even on foreign markets. The demand from Chinese collectors means sellers need not bother to send material to Hong Kong if they sell in Beijing {perhaps the journalist does not know this!}, and the effects of this can be seen in availibility and prices outside China.
The signifigance of the expansion of artefact markets in China itself means all the damage accusatons that get leveled at the Hong Kong markets or foreign auction houses should now also be blamed on the lack of protection of sites in China and the profiteering that occurs on the mainland. This is an expanding economy, and openly so. To be clear, if China was really sincere about protecting its heritage (which it is typically not, unless its heritage can be marketed somehow) then the import ban that the United States just agreed to (a new ban on import of Chinese antiques) would be followed through with similar logic about site destruction driven by Chinese collecting also. It really seems odd to ask other nations to stop the movement of Chinese objects at their borders, on the assumption that heritage is threatenend and sites are being looted to meet demand, when there is no control over sale of the same objects inside China. Sure, some random looters are executed by Chinese courts. The farmer who got a tiny payment to dig might be killed if somebody needs to be punished, but the city auctioneer who sells it to a rich factory owner for a huge profit is actually given increasing freedom. Asking foreigners to police their citizens & pass laws appeals to nationalism but not to common sense or intellectual details. If the issue is, as China claims, about protecting heritage sites from pillaging and clandestine looting then import restrictions are ineffective in the face of expanded unregulated trade inside China. Years ago I read an article where a Chinese businessmen declared artefacts & antiques as a more profitable investment that real estate.
It doesn't take much thought to deduce that tombs are still dynamited and objects stolen from archaeological sites for the same internal market, and that the permanent loss to science & history as a result of this loss of context is a result.
Whatever way you look at it, whether the current policy makes sense or not, it does seem that the Hong Kong markets are perhaps a little overblown as a cause of site destruction in China (consider the Three Gorges Dam). It also seems the Chinese governments concerns over American collectors are perhaps about nationalism rather than real conservation, or if we credit the CPC with more business savvy it could be about protecting its growing internal antiques market.

Here is a portion of an e-mail I recieved from a friend who is privy to finer details of the new US embargo of Chinese artefacts in particular.
The feeling about the contradictory behaviour of the Chinese government is one that I have felt for some time also, and why the actual embargos negotiated with far off-shore nationals make little sense.

".......As far as we can tell, the reason the Chinese asked for the embargo concerns the Chinese antiquities auction market. Up until a few years ago, it was illegal for Chinese nationals to own Chinese artifacts. This was changed, and many of the materials entering the Chinese buyer's market did so through the auction houses. Within a very few years the profits from the {internal} market increased from only a few million dollars to many hundreds of millions. Much of the material being auctioned in China is obtained in the exact same manner as is the material which is sold on the international market: it is not recovered through proper archaeological excavation and thus much of its history and provenance are lost. In fact, the Chinese government loosened the provenance requirements for materials on the Chinese antiquities market, making the potential looting situation significantly worse.
This loosening of requirements works in direct opposition of the goals of the 1970 UNESCO Convention on the Means of Prohibiting and Preventing the Illicit Import, Export and Transfer of Ownership of Cultural Property. It is this convention upon which the entire embargo agreement is based.

It should be noted that the price which an artifact fetches on the Chinese market is roughly 10 times greater than the price it fetches on the American market.
As a result, the Chinese see potentially greater profits if they keep the items on their own auction circuit, rather than allowing them to be sold to the US. This, it appears, is the real reason for the requested, and now obtained, embargo agreement. It should also be noted that, as far as we have heard to date, the US is the only country with which China has requested an embargo. This appears linked to the fact that, while the US consumes only around 25% of all Chinese antiquities on the non-Chinese market, (including materials as recent as furniture from the early 20th century), we are the biggest single end consumer. If the situation remains that China has only requested an embargo of the US, then it becomes even more evident that the embargo is based on potential monetary profits, rather than on a desire to truly protect its cultural heritage. Were the latter to be the case then it would make sense for China {to seek} embargo agreements with all countries, rather than just one.

During our research into this type of agreement between countries, involving UNESCO guidelines, etc, we learned that the country of origin must take significant steps to protect their cultural heritage. The nature of the required steps is set forth fairly clearly, and includes protecting archaeological sites, and proper conservation of the artifacts, among many other things. From our experience with China, this is not being done to any significant degree. Whether they will increase their efforts over the next few years until they meet the requirements is yet to be seen. Should they fail to meet the requirements by 2014 then they may find themselves with a failed embargo agreement, as these agreements must be revisited and the situation reviewed every five years. Should China fail to uphold its end of protecting its cultural heritage then the agreement is supposed to become null and void, at which time a new agreement would have to be drafted and ratified...."


These is very true. In my experience the internal corruption in illegal antiquities is huge, while the export in Hong Kong and elsewhere has decreased due to stronger regulation and the high internal demand. This has actually increased the illegal raiding of archeological sites.
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Posted 28 February 2009 - 05:41 PM

Interesting topic. I have no quarrel with the Chinese government wishing to prevent the export of and to recover from abroad the highest quality artifacts (what they define as "national treasures"), such as the marble panels from the 10th century tomb of Wang Chuzhi (王處直), which were stolen in 1994 and identified from a Christies' Auction Catalog in 1999; however, I have far less sympathy in other areas. As Kenneth has put it, it often seems that the Chinese gov't is merely interested in protecting the interests of local collectors at the expense of foreigners while cloaking the whole operation behind a smokescreen of patriotic propaganda. This is not the 19th century anymore. At any rate, most westerners are being frozen out of the market for the best material these days by the explosive growth in the number of wealthy Chinese with connections which we can never have. I collected Chinese coins years ago; the prices for many attractive and historical, but not particularly rare coins are through the roof! One, cast by the An Lushan rebels, which I bought for $60 about 7 or 8 years ago, now sells for $300 and up! (I feel like kicking myself for selling my modest collection too soon).

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Posted 28 February 2009 - 10:01 PM

himmm My husband went thru a binge on Ebay about 10 or 12 years ago and bought a bunch of old Chinese coins....This totally was beyond me what spurred him on to do this, but it went on for a couple of months before flitting on to some other stuff he became interested in. At the time I was only just begining to become interested in anything to do with the east at all. A few years later as my interest began to grow, I took some of the old coins and made a necklace out of them. I know he did not spend too much money on them because he bragged about how inexpencive they had been. Now I wonder.... we were talking about finding a hidden treasure in the house on the thread dealing with the recent auction of the rat and rabbit heads from the Qing fountain.

Maybe I should go check the coins. I doubt if there is anything worth more then a couple of dollars, but you never know.

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Posted 01 March 2009 - 01:45 AM

I'd get them checked out if they were bought 10-12 years ago. Could be a good investment there. I'm not into coins but at that time and even up to 5 years ago I was buying Chinese antiques for a fraction of what I have to pay now.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:06 PM

Further to the above comments I would just like to make a few points,(I am a collector of ancient Chinese jade and bronzes) The ancient chinese didn't used diamond dust to cut and polish jades, they used crushed quartzite, silica and I believe another crushed mineral.
Also regarding native chinese jade I do personally believe there were native chinese sources of nephrite, early Han documents speak of over 300 places where jade could be found or mined..
Also the ancient chinese considered any hard, green and semi translucent stone to be jade, many ancient carvings were in agate, sausserite (feldspar- anyang jade) and other minerals...These would all have been regarded as jade

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 06:12 PM

The Chinese invented sandpaper during the Song dynasty due to the prolific paper material and southern Chinese tinkering using crushed pebbles shells organic materials and whatnot. This perhaps led to a boom in the construction of housing and the furnishings within them and leading to a greater supply of gdp.

I have the fortune of living in the part of the world which has use for toilet paper, but not douches.





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