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[qrasy]

Somehow I forgot this thread

交趾 was named by the Han Chinese but Vietnamese are actually and originally 越南 "Yue Nan". Come on grasy! Yue Nan were true descendents of Bai Yue. Why did the Han Chinese promote the Han too much up to a point that 越南 "Yue Nan" was already forgetful.

No, the most similar historical name in the past is "Nam Viet", yet it is a name given by another Chinese person you refer as Trieu Da.
http://www.viettouch...am_history.html
Don't use the legends and myths, just the list of the historical names.

and don't forget to "ignore" the copyright notice since this is not commercial

Edited by qrasy, 01 November 2005 - 06:11 AM.

[nguoiVietchanhtong]

Somehow I forgot this thread
No, the most similar historical name in the past is "Nam Viet", yet it is a name given by another Chinese person you refer as Trieu Da.
http://www.viettouch...am_history.html
Don't use the legends and myths, just the list of the historical names.

and don't forget to "ignore" the copyright notice since this is not commercial

so what about Trieu Da as a Chinese

As long as the name was correct in promoting the Yue people, disregard it is given by anyone. Even in Hong Kong movies, most of the time they promoted the Tang dynasty and the Yue was never mentioned in their historical movies. See what I mean! Now you know where the split began among the Yue people

[TrueViet]

I have been in the website http://www.viettouch...am_history.html

The website's authors are simple some ignorant kids who re-write historical information
the way they like.

There are some quotations from this site, I think, are false:
"By the Dong son period, the kingdom of VAN LANG extended to Hunan in Southern China.
The capital was moved to Vinh Phu where the three rivers - Song Da (Black River),
Song Ma (Red River) and Song Chay (Flowing River) meet. "
"Most scholars by now, accept that the Vietnamese are not descended from one single
racial group, that they are instead a racial mixture of Austro-Indonesian and Mongolian races."

The followings are some suggestions from this website, I think, are false:
"Does this (Vietnamese legend) imply that the Vietnamese were originally of the
Malay-Polynesian, sea-oriented race coming to terms with the Mongolians of the
Southern Chinese plains? "
"the Viets, "real" ancestors of the Vietnamese people, migrated from their habitat in
Lower Yangtse around 300 BC under pressure from Han Chinese southward into Tonkin delta."

There are more, but I do not have time for them.

[Kulong]

I have been in the website http://www.viettouch...am_history.html

The website's authors are simple some ignorant kids who re-write historical information
the way they like.

There are some quotations from this site, I think, are false:
"By the Dong son period, the kingdom of VAN LANG extended to Hunan in Southern China.
The capital was moved to Vinh Phu where the three rivers - Song Da (Black River),
Song Ma (Red River) and Song Chay (Flowing River) meet. "
"Most scholars by now, accept that the Vietnamese are not descended from one single
racial group, that they are instead a racial mixture of Austro-Indonesian and Mongolian races."

The followings are some suggestions from this website, I think, are false:
"Does this (Vietnamese legend) imply that the Vietnamese were originally of the
Malay-Polynesian, sea-oriented race coming to terms with the Mongolians of the
Southern Chinese plains? "
"the Viets, "real" ancestors of the Vietnamese people, migrated from their habitat in
Lower Yangtse around 300 BC under pressure from Han Chinese southward into Tonkin delta."

There are more, but I do not have time for them.

That's one sad thing about the Internet... while there IS a great amount of information out there, majority of them are unreliable...

[Nguyễn]

Otherwise, Vietnamese and Koreans today would be just provinces of China. Nature made it this way.

Nonsense!!!!!!!

If my memory is right, there is once time Mongol controled China. so, do you say that

Otherwise, Chinese today would be just provinces of Mongolia. Nature made it this way!

[nguoiVietchanhtong]

That's one sad thing about the Internet... while there IS a great amount of information out there, majority of them are unreliable...

that includes you. So don't read the internet

[Nguyen-Trong Cam]

The tittle of this thread mentioned 2 peoples. How did the 3rd one get in?
Let me get back to the topic, and talk about the relations between these 2 peoples/countries.
Over 4000 years ago, during the late neolithic age, stepped adzes were used in both countries.
William Solheim II, a famous American scholar on East Asia, theorized that a maritime trading people went up and down Asian East coasts 7000 years ago, and settled inland at many locations, mixed with indigeneous peoples.
The San Jin (Tam Ha`n in Vietnamese), ancestors of Koreans, were descendants of Lai Yi (Lai Di) of ShanDong (So+n DDo^ng). Before the word Lai Yi was mentioned, the word Luo (La.c) written with the character having the insect radical was used to call the Dong Yi (DDo^ng Di). The Vietnamese were called Luo with all the Luo characters (insect (bo^. Tra~i), black horse with white dot on the mane (bo^. Ma~), generally used to indicate the Cantonese, white horse with black dot on the mane (bo^. Chuy), used to indicate the Jung (Khuye^?n Nhung), but most frequently with the one with the insect radical.
In the 12th Century, a Ly prince from what is now Vietnam sought refuge in Korea, was allowed to settle in an area called Hua Shan (not to be confused with Hua Shan in the area the Hua people originated in China). He ran a school when the Mongols invaded Korea. He came out to help the king defeat them, and is considered a hero. The first South Korean president, I heard, was a descendant of him.

Edited by Nguyen-Trong Cam, 01 December 2005 - 12:47 AM.

[Kulong]

that includes you. So don't read the internet

That petty little personal attack was uncalled for...

[Gubook Janggoon]

that includes you. So don't read the internet

Verbal warning. Personal attacks arn't allowed here. You also didn't contribute to the thread and your posts amounts to little more than spam.

Let's get it together.

-GJ