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[lobster]

Jul 7 of 68 years ago was the Lugou Bridge Incident, which marked the start of the all out invasion of China by Japan and 8 years and 3 months of the Resistance War. It was the start of the darkest years... we were isolated, we fought alone, unsympathized even by the "allies", but we're determined to put an end to the invadors. Japan would be crushed slowly but surely.

Let us all remember all who fought and died for us. All credits go to the ones who shed their blood for our country and the freedom of East Asia.

Edited by lobster, 07 July 2005 - 09:59 AM.

[jiangji]

Jul 7 of 68 years ago was the Lugou Bridge Incident, which marked the start of the all out invasion of China by Japan and 8 years and 3 months of the Resistance War.  It was the start of the darkest years... we were isolated, we fought alone, unsympathized even by the "allies", but we're determined to put an end to the invadors.  Japan would be crushed slowly but surely.

Didn't U.S and its allies imposed severe trade sanctions (1940) in response to this aggression ? I am not sure allies can do anything else at this stage other than critizing the japan aggression and imposing sanctions since they themself have to worry about the german expansion in Europe. Also, US was not a military superpower at that time.

Edited by jiangji, 07 July 2005 - 10:36 AM.

[lobster]

Didn't U.S and its allies imposed severe trade sanctions (1940) in response to this aggression ? I am not sure allies can do anything else at this stage other than critizing the japan aggression and imposing sanctions since they themself have to worry about the german expansion in Europe. Also, US was not a military superpower at that time.

Before war started in Europe in 1941, China was generally isolated. Britain, France and USA cut off supplies to China to avoid having another enemy in Japan while they're busy looking at Germany.

[Daniel]

"Before war started in Europe in 1941,"

The war in Europe started in 1939.

"Britain, France and USA cut off supplies to China to avoid having another enemy in Japan while they're busy looking at Germany."

You are aware of Claire Chennault's American Volunteer Group sent to assist China's fighter air defense six months before Japan attacked the United States, yes?

From U.S. Army Center of Military History:

Joining in widespread international condemnation of Japan's aggression, the United States circumspectly supported China. President Roosevelt approved $25 million in military aid to China on 19 December 1940, permitting the Chinese to purchase one hundred P 40 pursuit aircraft. By late spring 1941, the United States had also earmarked over $145 million in lend-lease funds for China to acquire both ground and air equipment. In May 1941, Secretary of War Henry Stimson approved a Chinese request for sufficient equipment to outfit thirty infantry divisions, intended for delivery by mid- 1942. Prompted by his private adviser, Claire L. Chennault, a retired U.S. Army Air Corps officer, Chiang also obtained Roosevelt's support for an American Volunteer Group (AVG) of about one hundred U.S. civilian volunteers to fly the one hundred recently purchased P-40s. These "Flying Tigers" began arriving in Burma in late 1941, the first Americans actually to be fighting alongside the Chinese.

Let us all remember all who fought and died for us.

Yes, let's.

Edited by Daniel, 07 July 2005 - 01:15 PM.

[Sephodwyrm]

The US was still selling scrap iron to the Japanese until the Pearl Harbor incident.

[jiangji]

The US was still selling scrap iron to the Japanese until the Pearl Harbor incident.

US and its allies did impose severe economic sanction on the Japan forcing them to search the resources in South-East asian.

Edited by jiangji, 07 July 2005 - 01:42 PM.

[Daniel]

The US was still selling scrap iron to the Japanese until the Pearl Harbor incident.

No it wasn't. President Roosevelt imposed a total embargo on scrap iron sales to Japan on September 26, 1940, more than a year before Pearl Harbor. World War II timeline, This, however, was a response to the Japanese takeover of French Indochina, not to the invasion of China itself.

Edited by Daniel, 07 July 2005 - 01:41 PM.

[Optimus]

wonder what this date mean now to the KMT on Taiwan... I think it doesn't matter to them anymore

[feathersea]

I personally dont hold a optimistic view if China fighted Japan alone,I think currently the infulence of Chian in WWII is kinda absurdly exaggated ,in my view the states really played a critical role in both EURO and ASIA,I would rather say that the Japan was defeated by states with the help of Chinese and all other asian people~

[Tsukiyono]

I personally dont hold a optimistic view if China fighted Japan alone,I think currently the infulence of Chian in WWII is kinda absurdly exaggated ,in my view the states really played  a critical role in both EURO and ASIA,I would rather say that the Japan was defeated by states with the help of Chinese and all other asian people~

The thing about china in world war 2, is that with the exception of Maos fighters (forget what they were called) they were undertrained. But, the shere size of china, there is no way in my opinion Japan could have held a influence over the entire area, and held on to it.

I think china would have and died to my understanding fight back, and i cant say for sure, but towards the end, i think japans supply line became to extended, and they were slowly being pushed back. Japan made a fatal mistake in WW2, its the same mistake germany made as well, they opened up a war on two fronts. From the day they bombed pearl harbor, japan had doomed itself to failure. And then during the last days of the war, they also had Russia coming across as well.

The US played a role yes, but i still think that even had japan not went into open war on the US, i still think just because of the shere size of china, they would have stood up and eventually drivin japan from their borders.

[Optimus]

I think china would have and died to my understanding fight back, and i cant say for sure, but towards the end, i think japans supply line became to extended, and they were slowly being pushed back. Japan made a fatal mistake in WW2, its the same mistake germany made as well, they opened up a war on two fronts. From the day they bombed pearl harbor, japan had doomed itself to failure. And then during the last days of the war, they also had Russia coming across as well.

I think the Japanese believe that the Americans will eventually enter the war in Asia to fight them and It's a matter of who strike fast just like Hitler's decision to invade the Soviet Union. though Hitler and Stalin have a non-aggression pact... they deeply mistrust each other and both believe the other side gonna attack them...only a matter of time.

[feathersea]

I should stress on a fact that in the China warfield ,Japan didnt regard it as a main battlefield after 1937,actually during the WWII,the most of Japan elite armies were not consumed in China but in the pacific ocean,I believe after 1937 when Japan occupied the most of China, both KMT and CCP wouldnot be capable of organize any strategic battle against them cause they already lost most of their supplies of China,if Japanse consoildated their foundation in China for coulpe of years,the best situation of KMT can get is the situation like Jin and Song.
I think the final failure of Japan could be attribute to the greed of them,they went too fast,they suppposed to conquer the whole asia by useing China as a base which can offer them the war material,this idea cause the supply line to be extended,meanwhile they also give a chance to KMT to rebuilt up,this is a deadly mistake,so at last the japanse have to spend much more troops to protect their weak line ,but meanwhile the rescource thay gathered in China was mostly consumed in China itself by doing those insigificant and indecisive war with KMT,I agreed that the Japan knew the States would jion in the war sooner or later,thatz why they so rush,but this rush cause the dilemma,the dilemma causes the final crash~~

[wlee15]

Before war started in Europe in 1941, China was generally isolated.  Britain, France and USA cut off supplies to China to avoid having another enemy in Japan while they're busy looking at Germany.

The U.S did not invoke the neutrality acts and safeguarded China's Silver reserves in it's embassy after the fall of Nanjing, allowing China to continue purchasing war supplies through th U.S. Most of these supplies were then transfered via the Kowloon-Guangzhou railroad and Kowloon-Guangzhou highway allowing China to continue producing small arms and ammunition even after China was completley surronded.

[ChiangAP]

wonder what this date mean now to the KMT on Taiwan... I think it doesn't matter to them anymore 

Not at all. As far as I could judge, KMT on Taiwan (and ROC forces) are very fond of your common past. They are just worried about the present.

[temujin77]

http://ww2db.com/bat...hp?battle_id=25

Above is a short (very short, please help me expand it with your expertise! ) summary on the incident. Hope it will compliment this thread well.