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Started by General_Zhaoyun , May 30 2004 02:22 AM

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#1 General_Zhaoyun

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Posted 30 May 2004 - 02:22 AM

Map of Ancient China from during 3 kingdoms era showing the location of the cities:

http://www.geocities...hkp/map_rtk.jpg
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Posted 30 May 2004 - 11:32 AM

Ya thats my best map, you will not foind a better one!

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Posted 04 June 2004 - 06:34 AM

Wei looks on the map to be much more powerful than the other two. Were they the ones who finally won around 200BC?

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Posted 04 June 2004 - 12:25 PM

The faction controlling Wei (Cao Clan, then Sima clan) did eventually defeat the other two kingdoms, but total victory wasn't achieved until 280 CE.
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Posted 04 June 2004 - 11:33 PM

Wei failed to concure the two kingdoms. The Sima Clan took over Wei and renamed it Jin, they then removed the cao clan from office and concured the two other kingdoms. Northern China was much more populated than southern China at this time. But during the fall of the Han and 3k era the people begain to move south to escape the chaos.

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Posted 05 June 2004 - 03:07 AM

Wei did control 60% of China's population. However its land had been torn apart by the rebellion of the Yellow Scarves and the war between the warlords Cao Cao, Lu Bu, Yuan Shao and his brother.

Wu realizing this planned to take Jing Zhou and Yizhou and wanted to destroy Wei. However Shu's future emperour Liu Bei's chief tactican Zhuge Liang after learning about this plan took Jing Zhou and Yizhou and created the country of Shu. His plan was to ally with Wu and attack Wei. This plan was working brilliantly and just 4 years after Shu's creation Shu was about to conquer Lua yang and Chang An and reestablish Wei. However Wu betrayed Shu killed Liu Bei's chief general Guan Yu and took Yizhou forever destroying Shu's chances of conquering Wei

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Posted 05 June 2004 - 05:42 AM

The faction controlling Wei (Cao Clan, then Sima clan) did eventually defeat the other two kingdoms, but total victory wasn't achieved until 280 CE.

Ah right so this was the second warring states period. At first I thought this map referred to 403-221BCE but I've realized it's actually the ?100-280 one.

Wu realizing this planned to take Jing Zhou and Yizhou and wanted to destroy Wei. However Shu's future emperour Liu Bei's chief tactican Zhuge Liang after learning about this plan took Jing Zhou and Yizhou and created the country of Shu.


Wait how could that be? Jing Zhou is in Wei on the map.

Also, you say the Shu failed to hold on to Wei because of Wu treachery. Firstly, about what year was this? And what happened then? Did the Wei just conquer the other two kingdoms by 280CE?

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Posted 05 June 2004 - 06:19 AM

Also, you say the Shu failed to hold on to Wei because of Wu treachery. Firstly, about what year was this? And what happened then? Did the Wei just conquer the other two kingdoms by 280CE?


Wei conquered Shu in 263 AD , but they changed the name of their kingdom to "Jin" in 265 AD, after the Sima family controlled and kicked the Cao family out of the Wei. They conquered Wu in 280 AD and unified China.
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Posted 05 June 2004 - 11:51 AM

In May 219 Shu was at its greatest. Liu Bei's armies led by the great general Huang Zhong had defeated Cao Cao's armies and drove the survivors north. By capturing the roads of northern Shu Liu Bei could now assault Cheng Ann at will. To make this victory complete Liu Bei ordered his subordinate Guan Yu to move north from Jing Zhou and swarm into Luo Yang. Although Liu Bei was heavily outnumbered this plan struck at the main weakness of the Wei army. Wei's army had a overly centerilzed army. This was both Cao Cao's greatest strength and his greatest weakness. This will make sure that Cao Cao could use his genius to his greatest advantage but will also meant that without Cao Cao the Wei army was nearly worthless. However Guan Yu was a less than adequet diplomat and had made Wu very angry. 3 months after Guan Yu made attacked Wei Wu launched an attack on Jing Zhou. Led by the able Lu Meng and Lu Xun the Wu army quickly defeated Guan Yu and captured Jing Zhou. With the economical capital of Shu captured Shu's last hopes of winning was destroyed

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Posted 05 June 2004 - 02:25 PM

Thanks for clarifying things up Zhaoyun and deathdoom :)

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Posted 06 June 2004 - 12:24 PM

However Shu's future emperour Liu Bei's chief tactican Zhuge Liang

Shu's second Emperor was Liu Bei's son Liu Shan. Zhuge Liang was just the Prime Minister.

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Posted 07 June 2004 - 04:59 AM

However Shu's future emperour Liu Bei's chief tactican Zhuge Liang

Shu's second Emperor was Liu Bei's son Liu Shan. Zhuge Liang was just the Prime Minister.

That was my grammer mistake. I meant Liu Bei, who will be Shu's emperour,'s chief tactian.

Also do you know how much power the prime minister held? They canceled the post of main political officer, the main economical officer, and main general and gave all the power to him

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Posted 08 June 2004 - 12:40 PM

Yeah that's why they call it the Prime Minister. A prime minister is nearlly second in command of everything, but they just can't take over when the lord dies.

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Posted 10 June 2004 - 11:17 AM

Yeah that's why they call it the Prime Minister. A prime minister is nearlly second in command of everything, but they just can't take over when the lord dies.


I had a post about this asking where does a Prime Minster stand in terms of ranking. And are there just Prime Ministers in Kingdoms, because I can't (off the top of my head) remeber there ever being a Prime Minster to the Emperor. When it came to the rankings of the three kingdoms I'm pretty sure it starts like this:

Millitary offices
1. Regent Marshal
2. General of the Flying Chariots
2. General of the Flying Cavalry


Civilian office (Empiral)
1. Imperial Guardian
2.

Civilian office (Provincial)
1. Imperial Protector
2.

Where would Prime Minster go? Does the Book (Three Kingdoms), have different titles for rankings? Or does this only work for imperial? My post is Chinese Ranking Post

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Posted 11 June 2004 - 03:47 AM

Yeah that's why they call it the Prime Minister. A prime minister is nearlly second in command of everything, but they just can't take over when the lord dies.


I had a post about this asking where does a Prime Minster stand in terms of ranking. And are there just Prime Ministers in Kingdoms, because I can't (off the top of my head) remeber there ever being a Prime Minster to the Emperor. When it came to the rankings of the three kingdoms I'm pretty sure it starts like this:

Millitary offices
1. Regent Marshal
2. General of the Flying Chariots
2. General of the Flying Cavalry


Civilian office (Empiral)
1. Imperial Guardian
2.

Civilian office (Provincial)
1. Imperial Protector
2.

Where would Prime Minster go? Does the Book (Three Kingdoms), have different titles for rankings? Or does this only work for imperial? My post is Chinese Ranking Post

They disbanded the top of all 3 offices and gave all the power to him
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