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[Sephodwyrm]

Northern Light armor variants.

Yes, this is concept for the Sanguo MOD for Rome TW.

[Sephodwyrm]

OK. Sorry guys I have been very lazy and there are numerous things to take care of. But after an invigorating game of HOI2 as evil Sephodler Wyrmheim I got back to work.

Here are some concepts for the Hebei soldiers in the Sanguo era.

[Mei Houwang]

You see my point when looking at the soldier to the very left in the thread about armored Chinese infantry. You keep thinking "armored" at first look, but when you look closer you don't see any armor. It's probably because of the thing that belt is supporting(don't know what it's called).

btw, I thought those heavy infantry helmets(The guy to the very right) died out by the end of the Warring States/Qin.

Edited by Anthrophobia, 14 August 2005 - 07:32 PM.

[Yun]

Seph, if anyone sends you pictures with Guandao glaives or Fangtian ji-halberds in them, please trash them no matter how nice they look

[Sephodwyrm]

Don't worry. I have a hard time convincing the chief modder of the Sanguo MOD to do away with the glaives...

But blades are a common weapon. Btw, I hope you like the armor designs. I looked at a few historical pieces and made subtle variations.

[Sephodwyrm]

Btw, I need historical inputs of Sanguo era weapons, equipments etc. There are various sayings about the presence of the stirrup, etc. Inputs from Sanguo experts would be nice (not SGYY experts, but SGZ and real history experts).

[Yun]

Btw, I need historical inputs of Sanguo era weapons, equipments etc. There are various sayings about the presence of the stirrup, etc. Inputs from Sanguo experts would be nice (not SGYY experts, but SGZ and real history experts).

The earliest depiction of a stirrup in a figurine dates from 302 at Changsha, and it was only a single stirrup for mounting the horse. I would infer that most, if not all stirrups used in the Three Kingdoms were of that type. In any case, most cavalry in the early part of that period would have had no stirrups at all.

Cavalry would also have been mostly unarmoured or lightly armoured, hence Yuan Shao's crossbowmen could defeat Gongsun Zan's cavalry charge at Jieqiao with a single volley at close range. Horse armour was rare in the Central Plains, and was gradually incorporated through contact with the Wuhuan and Xianbei. Yuan Shao supposedly had 300 armoured horses at Guandu, while Cao Cao had only 10. This was because of Yuan Shao's alliance with the Wuhuan. By the time of the Xianbei rebellion of Tufa Shujineng in Liangzhou (270s), Ma Long had to recruit a force of men who could draw extra strong crossbows using a waist belt, so that their bolts could penetrate the armour of the Xianbei. It is recorded in the Jin Shu that these Xianbei all wore iron armour, and to be more agile than them, Ma Long had his men wear rhino-hide armour. Ma Long had to make heavy use of covered wagons as strong-points against cavalry charges and horse-archers, arranged in the Eight Diagram Formation credited to Zhuge Liang. This shows that the Eight Diagram Formation (ba zhen tu) was one composed of a horse wagon laager for anti-cavalry purposes, and employed heavy crossbows.

Another important aspect of anti-cavalry warfare throughout this period is the Lujiao, or Deer's Antlers. These were a type of anti-cavalry obstacle made up of criss-crossed wooden stakes. Cavalry forces would often have to send infantry or scouts in to burn the enemy Lujiao before making their charge. Xiaohou Yuan was ambushed and killed at Mount Dingjun while leading his troops out to put out a fire set on one of his Lujiao.

[Sephodwyrm]

Another armor series.

[Sephodwyrm]

Because Chinese people are rather stocky and muscular if they're soldiers.

[Yang Zongbao]

Very nice, I like the one to the right with the feathers in his helm in particular.

You should do some Song Dynasty ones, I'm a sucker for winged helms and mountain scales XD

[Sephodwyrm]

Depends on the ZHANGUO Mod Team. We're working our butts off trying to get things to work about the DEMO. A lot of collision factor is not going too well, and the units are holding the weapons wrongly...

[Wujiang]

In case you might be interested, 3 kingdoms was the time when the rise of the Liangdangjia, Mingguangjia as well as the heiguangjia for the Wei. On the other hand, the tongxuijia was known to have been equipped the entire army of the Shu.

[Sephodwyrm]

Mingguang Kai
A form of armor that appeared in the late Three Kingdoms era, as described by Cao Zhi's <<Ci Cheng Kai Biao>>. It has a usual armor backing, but with 2 circular metallic plates (usually of bronze and iron. It is polished to the extent that it will reflect sunlight easily, hence the name.

Tongxiu Kai
Presumably designed by the Shu premier Zhuge Liang, with a tubular body and tubular sleeves, both composed of small armor scales linked together into a single suit.

Xuan Jia
Iron scale armor, with iron scales mainly in strategic positions on a backing.

Zha Jia
Like Iron scale armor, except with larger iron plates or bands instead of scales.

Liangdang Jia
Composed of 2 separate armor pieces that overs the back and chest and is slung over the shoulder. The armor, unlike that of Mingguang, is most likely to be composed of scales strung together.

[TMPikachu]

could you make some simple pictures of those armor types? Like when I hear 'scale' I think of scales attached so they just hang, and differentiate it from lamellar, which I think you might be talking about.