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[Sephodwyrm]

Its attempted before, and was destroyed.

[memeo]

Hmm... not all rich indonesian chinese have that kind of attitude, it depends of each person i would say. Yup, it will not work. I'm also from Indonesia, and during my childhood, my parents taught me only native language, not chinese, cause my mother wasn't taught chinese neither Holland language. My grandfathers can speak Holland language cause he studied in school which teach Holland language. And my father went sailing, so i rarely saw my fathers, that's why i cannot speak chinese, sad indeed Actually in my era mothers, woman class is lower than man i would think, cause my mother didn't get high education, while her brothers got higher education. And woman must be abled to cook, cause someday woman have to marry a man, that's why cook skill is very necessary, and other skill not very important.

If not Raden Ajeng Kartini pioneer to make woman class equal to man in Indonesia, or we called it emancipation. Many of woman in indonesia nowadays only graduated in high school not in higher grade like university.

[sg_han]

There was supposed to be this Lan Feng republic that was to be a country that is majority chinese(besides Singapore outside China) but apparently the state fell because of the dutch.=( :@

[memeo]

Hmmm... I never heard that republic before.. when it was established? and where is the location of this Lang Feng republic?

[lifezard]

There was supposed to be this Lan Feng republic that was to be a country that is majority chinese(besides Singapore outside China) but apparently the state fell because of the dutch.=( :@

it is called Lan Fang republic and was a republic established by Hakka people in Borneo in the 1800s..... the rest probably someone else needs to fill in

[sg_han]

This is taken from wikipedia looks interesting

http://zh.wikipedia....i/蘭è%...’Œåœ‹

da*n the dutch=(

[galvatron prime]

I personal think Indonesia Chinese are lack of opposition party in the goverments ,they need to organise a opposition party in Indonesia like Malaysia have DAP and Parti Keadilian to look after the own affair and education and to counter the goverments ,the chinese Indonesia are badly treated by the Native and muslim Indonesia because they have no Lim Kit Siang ,Fong PO Kuan ,Tan Sing Gnaw ,Tan Kok wai ,Tian Chua among them ,they too are victim of they own sucess,they are spacegoat .

[sg_han]

I personal think Indonesia Chinese are lack of opposition party in the goverments ,they need to organise a opposition party in Indonesia like Malaysia have DAP and Parti Keadilian to look after the own affair and education and to counter the goverments ,the chinese Indonesia are badly treated by the Native and muslim Indonesia because they have no Lim Kit Siang ,Fong PO Kuan ,Tan Sing Gnaw ,Tan Kok wai ,Tian Chua among them ,they too are victim of they own sucess,they are spacegoat .

Erm, that 3% of the population is far too small. We could withdraw all out money and invest Overseas but I guess having stayed in Indonesia for so long the Chinese Indonesians do not want to do this.

Next Year will be the 3rd yrs(?) Imlek(Chinese New Year) can be openly celebrated in Indonesia Yeh!!!!

[Hendrik_2000]

I personal think Indonesia Chinese are lack of opposition party in the goverments ,they need to organise a opposition party in Indonesia like Malaysia have DAP and Parti Keadilian to look after the own affair and education and to counter the goverments ,the chinese Indonesia are badly treated by the Native and muslim Indonesia because they have no Lim Kit Siang ,Fong PO Kuan ,Tan Sing Gnaw ,Tan Kok wai ,Tian Chua among them ,they too are victim of they own sucess,they are spacegoat .

Well it has been tried before, Before Suharto time there is Baperki a quasi NGO who articulate CI position on the citizenship agreement between China and Indonesia. It has has all kind quasi political organization that defend and lobby goverment for better treatment of CI in Indonesia The well known leader is Siauw Giok Tjan. As a political organization it has no choice but looking for friend in high places as such Baperki was identified as Sukarno sympathisan When the political tide change they were disbanded and their leader are imprison.and their member were harshly treated sent to penal island Buru That is the last time that CI exist as separate political identity

In Indonesia they still live in political dark age! Most of Chinese intelligentsia left Indonesia

[shawn]

Not all Chinese Indonesians are rich, that's I know. Some live in slums and live below the poverty line.

[memeo]

Yup, that's quite true. When i was on a duty to Tangerang. I saw a people cutting the grass beside the road. And if i saw it. I can't make difference, wether he was chinesse or Indonesian. Cause most of Chinese Indonesian, especially in Tangerang have a darker skin. So he/she looks like indonesian people. But if we look into the eyes, then we just realize he Indonesian chinese. Deep into Tangerang region, when i wanted to go to Teluk Naga (dragon bay), on the way to there i saw temple in the village, but if i look into the village, it's not rich village but rather poor village, or we called it slum.

[Intranetusa]

In the mid and late 20th century, Indonesia actually passed discriminatory laws that took land away from Chinese-Indonesians and prevented them from holding office or setting up businesses.

This was all very ironic since the western Europeans had a far greater share of wealth in Indonesia and an even smaller population than the Chinese-Indonesians.

[sg_han]

intranet from malaysia to indonesia to brunei you see this=) haha though the degree of this discrimination/persecution defers

[red_pr!nce]

If getting into politics or the military is almost impossible, then Chinese Indonesians at least have to try to involve themselves in social service.

As Confucius has said, the best way to get integrated and respected by society is to involve in:
1. politics
2. military
3. social service

[Yap Giok Nio]

If getting into politics or the military is almost impossible, then Chinese Indonesians at least have to try to involve themselves in social service.

Quite a number of Chinese Indonesians have already been involved in social service for many decades; they often work as lawyers, medical doctors, engineers, or teachers for government organizations and institutions. Chinese Indonesians who emigrated to the Netherlands, still continue this tendency. Ironically, however, it seems that exactly this group of Chinese Indonesians remains 'invisible' to the public view in both Indonesia and the Netherlands, despite the fact that they comprise a considerable number. It is difficult to estimate the size of their group but there are far more of them than anyone would imagine. They are not a tight-knit group (too many separate social networks) but nevertheless they display, as a 'single' group, a general preference for medical and legal professions. So, aside from trade, these professions are a fairly common manner of employment for middle-class Chinese Indonesians as well.