Relocate to China.
It's not easy for Chinese Indonesian to relocate to China or any other country unless they are very rich. Not to mention to China, since many Chinese Indonesian cannot speak China and don't have official Chinese name.
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Posted 18 August 2011 - 09:15 AM
Relocate to China.
Posted 18 August 2011 - 05:14 PM
Posted 18 August 2011 - 11:05 PM
More Chinese Indonesians are having a better time in America than in Indonesia. I met many such Chinese families from Indonesia who live in the United States.
Edited by Peace, 18 August 2011 - 11:11 PM.
Posted 19 August 2011 - 02:45 AM
I think the relationship between China and America is sort of love-hate, hot-cold. China always wants to reduce conflict, but America seems to be ambiguous. In any case, the vast majority of Chinese-Americans are either assimilated or integrated (to the point that some older generations fear that their descendants won't be Chinese anymore). So I think Chinese in America are treated much better than if they are in Indonesia, by comparison.
Yes, that's true. More and more Chinese Indonesian leave Indonesia for US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, etc. That's good for them.
Anyway, since the relationship between China and America is not good. How about the treatment for Chinese descent there ? Someone stated it's becoming worse. Is it true ?
Thanks for the answer.
Posted 27 August 2011 - 09:28 AM
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Posted 30 September 2011 - 07:18 AM
Edited by xng, 30 September 2011 - 07:18 AM.
Posted 09 October 2011 - 05:56 AM
At last I found peoples that have compassionate feeling to the Indonesian chinese, here in this forum.thanks to Almighty God,,may all of our ancestors the victim of racial violence ,,,all the innocent chinese overseas that has died because the inhumane tragedy,bless with the heaven forever...........
As one of the young indonesian chinese that I born and brought up in this very hard situation in indonesia,,,I had a great and deep concern,,about my peoples history and future here.
Yes it's true,my grandmother,,my father ,,my mother,,and much of my relatives here,,,are the silent victim ,when in 1967 ,,the indonesian regime,,with their military general soeharto,,ordered for massacre in west borneo,,they killed the OC everywhere without any true reason ,,,because the regime need someone to blame for the clash between PKI (indonesian communist party) and the military regime (soeharto),,,which the regime been back up by the islamic force . Since the communist was the only one power that could rival the islamic to be the dominant power in the nation. So,,they (military +islam) will done everything to crush the PKI,,(coz in reality they do afraid of the communist).
And if today we find in the history book,which,told later by the winner (military),,,that the PKI was who must responsible for the situation at that time.........THE FACT is all of the story they told is all big lie...lie,,,its a very false history that create by the military themself.
The only true fact,,is come from the innocent that been the victim that time,,,,most of them died and the rest is live in very sad condition.and OC is the part of the victim.
The real fact,,that was the military and islamic whose want to revolt and create their new regime,,by blaming the innocent as communist..and they did it....as today we can see what kind of goverment that in indonesia now,,,,,,1969-1998 (military regime under soeharto) and the islamic is the only power that rules till now 2011.
Back to 1967 ,,to west borneo,,there was my ancestor homeland in indonesia,,my great grandfather till my parents.
As the old, told me their miserable story,,
We chinese overseas,,lived in most of west borneo,,since a long time ago,,and the God ,,blessed us with a land of prosperity...most of them were farmer,,
We lived peacefully,,,we had a large farm/paddy field,,,lot of cattles,,our ancestor was very good in farming,,,so there was plentyfull of rice,fruits,,milk,,egg,,etc
part of them also miners,,,and the rest were traditional business man.
most of them dont know anything about PKI/communist....they didn't do politics at all,,,,they just know how to manage the land to be heaven for the next generation.We even didn't need the outside world to be survived at the time.
Then came,,the military under the command of soeharto,,without any reason,,,they came and kill,,just like a troop of zombie.(islamic zombie)
About 70000 OC were killed,,,and also ten of thousand other forced to leave they land ,they home,without bring anything at all.
The innocent were killed without any explanation,,,the old left behind and died lonely without funeral,,the young been killed,,part of them run for their live.
I remember my mother told me,,that even the forest and the land,,became very sad for us,,,days before the military came,,,,the sky looked strange,,,in the afternoon we could saw the sky very dark and became red.....even the river (the source of the life) became drought just in one night....the bird was no singing,,the ants were moved their den ,,the land look so sad at that time..the forest very silent............may be the God was crying for us...........
As the fact today,,,,40 years after,,,our land today has vanished and become a jungle,,veri big jungle as they were in the past....the God take it,,and keep it again,,,God will not give them to the indonesian,,,not even a little bit of land.It's better to be a jungle,,than be takeover by the indonesian.
This story is just a bit part of the whole history from the OC here in indonesia...as we know many more has and to come,,,such as the 1998 tragedy,,,I was 17 that year,,and once again I saw the humanity crime did by the indonesian.........Only God could help us to take the revenge
Edited by Peace, 09 October 2011 - 06:25 AM.
Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:18 AM
Unfortunately, chinese are a selfish race that does not think of the community as a whole unlike the Japanese and most countries in Europe who are very united.
The chinese are more concerned with their own self and how rich they will become.
The only people in the world who can help overseas chinese in Indonesia, Malaysia who face racial discrimination are the overseas chinese in America and Europe because they have the money and the power. But do they really care if PRC don't even care ?
Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:16 AM
Posted 23 June 2012 - 04:42 AM
Edited by angeljoanes, 23 June 2012 - 04:43 AM.
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Posted 07 July 2012 - 12:26 PM
I'm a Chinese that born in Indonesia. That's funny how one of my online friends comment about me "A Chinese who couldn't speak Chinese couldn't be considered Chinese at all".Well I don't blame him. It strange really to see a Chinese who couldn't speak mandarin.
I go to Kuala Lumpur once. Chinese ethnic there tend to speak with you in Mandarin... And they tend to see you strangely when you say you couldn't speak mandarin. How i envy them with their cultural freedom
Nowadays, although government already erase the regulation that oppressed the minority, I think It's too late... too many Chinese young generation in Indonesian nowadays couldn't even count one to five in Mandarin...
Edited by xng, 07 July 2012 - 12:27 PM.
Posted 08 July 2012 - 01:29 AM
Chinese Indonesian comprise only 3.5 % of total population or about 7.4 million.
Many see them as wealthy businessman. Whereas some Chinese Indonesian have made it to the list of 1000 richest men in the world, the majority live a simple life.
Most of them can not speak Mandarin or any other Chinese dialect any more thanks of more than three decades of cultural repression.
But native Indonesian and politicians see them not as a integral part of the nation,
the unwanted aliens.
How other Chinese see them ? What is your opinion?
Edited by returnofkevin, 08 July 2012 - 01:33 AM.
Posted 09 July 2012 - 01:58 AM
I'm one of them.
I can't speak Chinese or any other Chinese dialect : Hokkien, Hakka , etc.
We have to change our chinese name into Indonesian one in that decades.
For example. Liem Sioe Liong is changed to Sudono Salim.
But since the May 1998 reformation, everything has changed.
The discrimination from government has gone.
But the real discrimination from native Indonesian (the society) still existed.
They think Chinese is their suffering cause, because they think almost Chinese Indonesian is rich.
Edited by xng, 09 July 2012 - 01:59 AM.
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