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[TongShanThaiHiung]

Since Hakka people originated in Shanxi,Henan and Shaanxi province,are they related to northern Han that are living in north china today?

[General_Zhaoyun]

You should read the thread

http://www.chinahist...p?showtopic=221

I believe your answer is found there.

There was even a strange theory that argued that Hakka originated from XiongNu.

However, linguistically, Hakka did preserved many accents and language that originated from Ancient and Middle Chinese language.

[DaMo]

What do you all think of this internet-hypothesis:

http://www.geocities...6896/index.html

[TMPikachu]

The eyebrows things seems right, I've got arched eyebrows that aren't close together, n' I'm descended from the region with all the rivers, the South, I guess.
I've heard that northern Chinese are generally taller though, but I'm not short.

[浪淘音]

The eyebrows things seems right, I've got arched eyebrows that aren't close together, n' I'm descended from the region with all the rivers, the South, I guess.
I've heard that northern Chinese are generally taller though, but I'm not short.

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eastern populations in China seem to have broader eyebrows than inland populations

anyway, distinguishing north and south Han by height is useless especially now because of diet, southern Hans are getting taller and taller

bone structure is usually the best way to tell. southern Hans generally have angular faces while Huabei ren have rounder skulls with more defined jaws. Dongbei ren however seem to have a Tungusic long skull look to them.

[ZhongDa]

if Hakka indeed has northern phenotypes then it's apparent that Dr Sun isn't passed as a Hakka.
I guess Hakka heritage passes down paternally and Dr Sun might have had some Cantonese maternal ancestors.

[ZhongDa]

single eyelid and double eyelid should not be considered a criterion for discriminating northerners and southerners. I find coastal Chinese tend to have double eyelid and inland Chinese tend to have single eyelid
Maybe stature, skin, facial hair, skeletal frame, chest hair...etc serve better as discriminating criteria.

[ShuHan]

I agree that you can not really distinguish if a Chinese is Northern or Southern just base on his or her skin, stature, eyelids, and big eye or small eye. Majority of them do have these similiarities, but we must not base it on just these different. The main different would be their culture and dialects.

[nishishei]

This is the same for Mongolians, Japanese, Koreans and Vietnamese.

[qrasy]

Northern Chinese tend to be taller, fairer, have single eyelids, and have sharper features with thinner lips, smaller mouths and smaller eyes. Southern Chinese are generally the opposite - shorter, darker, double eyelids, flatter features with full lips, larger mouths and larger eyes like the Vietnamese or Thais.

Aren't South Chinese very white? Northern people can also be considerably dark if they go out very often. Also, short/tall are related to how you train and what you eat. It's said that before the world war Japanese were averagely shorter than Indonesian but the reverse after it. Maybe it's living-condition problem, not genetic.

I'm a South Chinese but I have single eyelids and my eyes are very small
I saw many other South Chinese but very few are with double eyelid.

You said they are like Thais but someone said (not in this forum) that actually the Thai are not white, they are brown, usually with Malay-like eyes and sometimes with curly hair. Thai has 25% ethnic Chinese population, so it's easy to mistake which ones are the true Thai.
I saw some Thais/Viets not similar to South Chinese, but look like Malay and Malays are very different from any Chinese.

[nishishei]

I'm a South Chinese but I have single eyelids and my eyes are very small
I saw many other South Chinese but very few are with double eyelid.

I would say around Shanghai-Suzhou-Hangzhou-Wuxi-Ningbo area, 2/3 have double eyelids (definitely in the majority).

[AhMan]

well, I am ashamed to announce that I have double eyelid small eyes, curly yellow beard and moustache, big flat nose and I am not very tall. My skin is definitely of mongoloid. It's very yellow.
I dunno if I am related to SunQuan since my beard and moustache are not black but there are many golden hairs (really golden)