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[dragonlord]

Does anybody knows what're the factors that affect the decline of the Ming Dynasty. Which emperor has started this declination? Any idea???

[Yun]

You could start here: http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=3068

[wlee15]

Someone seems to imported the entire thread on wikipedia without any type of editing in the Ming Dynasty entry and it really impacted on the quality of the entry. Anybody interested in doing some editing work?

http://en.wikipedia....ki/Ming_dynasty

[dragonlord]

You could start here: http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=3068

Well, thanks for your contribution. I appreciate it. I gonna use a little bit of time to read them...

[Emperor_HonG]

The decline was mainly started by wanli emperor

[dragonlord]

The decline was mainly started by wanli emperor

Why Wanli Emperor should be blamed? What was his major mistakes? Hihihi... I would like to know more...

[Emperor_HonG]

If you want to say he was a useless ruler.. He actually is not.. He acend the throne when he was young.. but when his mentor die he started to neglect state affairs.. he extort lage amount of money from his people, imposing heavy taxes etc.. to build a large coffin whcih took decades to complete.. Imjin war take place during his time.. so does the manchus attacking ming border. officals were also corrupted.. anyway he didnt care too..

[dragonlord]

If you want to say he was a useless ruler.. He actually is not.. He acend the throne when he was young.. but when his mentor die he started to neglect state affairs.. he extort lage amount of money from his people, imposing heavy taxes etc.. to build a large coffin whcih took decades to complete.. Imjin war take place during his time.. so does the manchus attacking ming border. officals were also corrupted.. anyway he didnt care too..

If this was the case, then he might be too young to rule the empire. He depended on on his mentor. Sounded like his mentor wa sa backbone of the Ming empire...

[ximen_chuixue]

I think he was lazy? Having a mentor, u just listen to the mentor. The mentor ask u do this u do this. In other words u just have to follow ur mentor words. If u not happy u can just have his head off his neck as u are the emperor. Hmm.. when the mentor die, Wanli Emperor had no one to follow so he just simply let his officer do the job. And i could see he wasnt even care about the war in korea although he approve of sending troops there.

[dragonlord]

I think he was lazy? Having a mentor, u just listen to the mentor. The mentor ask u do this u do this. In other words u just have to follow ur mentor words. If u not happy u can just have his head off his neck as u are the emperor. Hmm.. when the mentor die, Wanli Emperor had no one to follow so he just simply let his officer do the job. And i could see he wasnt even care about the war in korea although he approve of sending troops there.

He was a lazy snake, Emperor of the Snake Empire. Why didn't the officials petition to had him step down and passed the throne to others? I believed the Ming empire could have hope to recover...

[ximen_chuixue]

No one wanna risk their head been chop down! HAHAHAHA Maybe we should ask why no one assinate him! hahahahhaha

[Emperor_HonG]

Cos during his regin corruption take place.. officals were corrupted.. why would they want to made him step down when they can extort money..

but oen thing he is better then chong zhen was he knew the importance of choson location to ming and spend 7 yrs fighting the japanese.. Chong zhen abondaon that location

[Chow Yun-Fat, PhD]

'1587: A year of no significance' is a great book detailing his reign and the year of the terminal decline of the Ming Empire

It is also published in China under the Chinese title '15th year of Wan-li'

The problem is said to be systematic and fundamental, and resulting from the foundations laid down by the Hong-wu emperor at the dawn of the dynasty

Edited by Chow Yun-Fat, PhD, 11 October 2005 - 01:13 PM.

[dragonlord]

'1587: A year of no significance' is a great book detailing his reign and the year of the terminal decline of the Ming Empire

It is also published in China under the Chinese title '15th year of Wan-li'

The problem is said to be systematic and fundamental, and resulting from the foundations laid down by the Hong-wu emperor at the dawn of the dynasty

Huh. what Chow Yun-Fat, PhD was talking about? Is he promoting the book, or mentioning about the starting point of Ming declination? I wonder what was he saying...

[Emperor_HonG]

He was stating the book says he start about the decline of ming.. started in wanli 15th yr regin..

Everyone pointing their fingers to wanli.. maybe one day we should to go HUGE tomb and throw banana