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[xng]

Territories which were part of china in the past but not at present.

1. North korea - Han, Ching dynasty

2. North vietnam - Han to Tang, Ming dynasties

3. Outer Mongolia - Yuan, Ching dynasty

4. Outer manchuria - Ming, Ching dynasty

5. Part of Kazakhstan - Ching dynasty


Links

http://depts.washing...iv/timeline.htm

http://www-chaos.umd...y/imperial.html

Edited by xng, 17 March 2006 - 10:15 AM.

[General_Zhaoyun]

Basically, Qing dynasty 'conquered' and established the largest empire territory in chinese history. If we attempt to claim every part of Qing dynasty, then there are still territories lost.

[Gubook Janggoon]

That's "Parts of what is now North Korea", not the whole thing.

[Xiang Yu]

That's "Parts of what is now North Korea", not the whole thing.

Can anyone make a simple map of what China would look like if it had all those territories?. Or are there any maps?

[wuTao]

The Tang occupied Paekche for 14 years from 660 to 674. The Ming occupied Dai Viet for 20 years from 1407 to 1427.

[xng]

The Tang occupied Paekche for 14 years from 660 to 674. The Ming occupied Dai Viet for 20  years from 1407 to 1427.

Where is modern day paekche and dai viet ?

[xng]

Can anyone make a simple map of what China would look like if it had all those territories?. Or are there any maps?

The closest map is the ching dynasty but even that doesn't include north vietnam and north korea.

http://www.paulnoll....nasty-Qing.html

[Gubook Janggoon]

Baekje (Or Paekche) is located in what is now south western South Korea.

It wasn't much of an occupation though. The Tang were in and out pretty quick.

[phoenix_bladen]

wow......china could easily be the 2nd or 3rd LARGEST country in the world if it happened to reclaim all these terriotories......

let's not forget having taiwan back under prc or 1 government control.

[Mei Houwang]

China is already the 3rd largest country in the world(tied with the US). I just doubt China could keep all its lost lands without some hatred going around.

[General_Zhaoyun]

This is what you get if you reclaim all lands of China...a map of qing dynasty

[Xiang Yu]

Thats very nice,looks very big and powerful lol Thank you guys for the pics

[xng]

This is what you get if you reclaim all lands of China...a map of qing dynasty

This chart and the url that I gave on ching dynasty is a bit different.

Was north korea and north vietnam (annam) part of china during this dynasty as implied by your chart ?

And when is russia handing back china's territories in which china signed treaties with russia. Is it a temporary (like hong kong signed with britain) or permanent lease ?

Edited by xng, 06 September 2005 - 08:17 AM.

[Too hi Fat]

There is another version of that map showing China's border all the way up to the southern tip of Lake Baikal.

[Gubook Janggoon]

This chart and the url that I gave on ching dynasty is a bit different.

Was north korea and north vietnam (annam) part of china during this dynasty as implied by your chart ?

And when is russia handing back china's territories in which china signed treaties with russia. Is it a temporary (like hong kong signed with britain) or permanent  lease ?

That's a map of the Qing dynasty. If it's including all tributaries, the inclusion of the whole of Korea is accurate. If it's not including tributaries, the map is being exaggerated.

I believe the territories that are now the Russian Far East are not on lease but were ceded by China to the Russians.