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#1 xng

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 05:23 AM

Territories which were part of china in the past but not at present.

1. North korea - Han, Ching dynasty

2. North vietnam - Han to Tang, Ming dynasties

3. Outer Mongolia - Yuan, Ching dynasty

4. Outer manchuria - Ming, Ching dynasty

5. Part of Kazakhstan - Ching dynasty


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Posted 05 September 2005 - 11:41 AM

Basically, Qing dynasty 'conquered' and established the largest empire territory in chinese history. If we attempt to claim every part of Qing dynasty, then there are still territories lost.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 11:54 AM

That's "Parts of what is now North Korea", not the whole thing.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:12 PM

That's "Parts of what is now North Korea", not the whole thing.

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Can anyone make a simple map of what China would look like if it had all those territories?. Or are there any maps? :rolleyes:

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 03:39 PM

The Tang occupied Paekche for 14 years from 660 to 674. The Ming occupied Dai Viet for 20 years from 1407 to 1427.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 08:46 PM

The Tang occupied Paekche for 14 years from 660 to 674. The Ming occupied Dai Viet for 20  years from 1407 to 1427.

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Where is modern day paekche and dai viet ?

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 08:50 PM

Can anyone make a simple map of what China would look like if it had all those territories?. Or are there any maps? :rolleyes:

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The closest map is the ching dynasty but even that doesn't include north vietnam and north korea.

http://www.paulnoll....nasty-Qing.html

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:03 PM

Baekje (Or Paekche) is located in what is now south western South Korea.

It wasn't much of an occupation though. The Tang were in and out pretty quick.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:37 PM

wow......china could easily be the 2nd or 3rd LARGEST country in the world if it happened to reclaim all these terriotories......

let's not forget having taiwan back under prc or 1 government control.
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Posted 05 September 2005 - 09:53 PM

China is already the 3rd largest country in the world(tied with the US). I just doubt China could keep all its lost lands without some hatred going around.

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Posted 05 September 2005 - 10:27 PM

This is what you get if you reclaim all lands of China...a map of qing dynasty

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 02:27 AM

Thats very nice,looks very big and powerful lol Thank you guys for the pics

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 08:15 AM

This is what you get if you reclaim all lands of China...a map of qing dynasty

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This chart and the url that I gave on ching dynasty is a bit different.

Was north korea and north vietnam (annam) part of china during this dynasty as implied by your chart ?

And when is russia handing back china's territories in which china signed treaties with russia. Is it a temporary (like hong kong signed with britain) or permanent lease ?

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Posted 06 September 2005 - 10:47 AM

There is another version of that map showing China's border all the way up to the southern tip of Lake Baikal.
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Posted 06 September 2005 - 06:10 PM

This chart and the url that I gave on ching dynasty is a bit different.

Was north korea and north vietnam (annam) part of china during this dynasty as implied by your chart ?

And when is russia handing back china's territories in which china signed treaties with russia. Is it a temporary (like hong kong signed with britain) or permanent  lease ?

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That's a map of the Qing dynasty. If it's including all tributaries, the inclusion of the whole of Korea is accurate. If it's not including tributaries, the map is being exaggerated.

I believe the territories that are now the Russian Far East are not on lease but were ceded by China to the Russians.
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