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[Tyler]

He did that again just a few month ago this time he knew he was on cameria I'll dig up the film if I can.

[Kenneth]

I assumed it was contrived by computer magic...but it looked quite flawless.
Seems highly unlikely he would give the one finger salute to a camera if he has seen what womens magazines done with a celebrity who blinks funny.
...still he did need to be coached by minders after his poor performance in presidential canditiates debates to not pull funny faces when he was thinking hard of something to say. I really feel he is a man of limited capacity as a leader in many ways but feel such a careless gesture should be beyond him even.
Maybe he didnt have somebody standing beside him at that moment to say "No, Mr.President!. ..Bad Mr. President!" (smack)
I'd like to see the video anyway since the last one was entertaining.
There were some people here asking 'did he really do that?'.
hmm. Time for a google search.

PS;
under the new layout of the CHF posting page can 'imageshack' still be downloaded?
I see the default attachment allows for images that couldnt previously be attached, but imageshack is nifty for real big detailed pictures.
Am I missing something here?

[Kenneth]

Nothing on the internet suggests it is fake actually, which surprised me;
here are some comments from different sites, and one is even apologetic since he used to be an alcoholic at the time (as I had heard during the last election he is a reformed bad-boy)
1; When George Bush was Governor of Texas he gave the camera a "One-Fingered Salute" before going on the air. While Bush may not have been the Commander-in-Chief at the time, this video is historically significant because the highest ranking U.S. official caught flipping someone off previously was Vice-President Nelson Rockefeller. Mr. Rockefeller was thought to be in the first stages of dementia at the time and died two years later. The same thing could be argued about Bush, but two years later he was made President

2; I mean Bush probably still had a drinking problem back then, and maybe if he had had a drink or two in him he could have just let it roll off. Under the circumstances, how can you blame the guy for blowing off a little steam? Besides, who hasn't at some point or other flown the finger.

3; And no, that's not a photoshopped image. It's real. Check out the video. And remember, this a**h*** is our president.

He's not exactly a Ghandi or an Abe Lincoln.
I think I'll choose Churchill's "V" over the Bush salute for class.

[Craig]

Before the bandwidth errors I and another member pointed out CHF is not the place it once was. There has been alot of hatred towards the west.

Being as western as one can get, I've never felt hated. There has been an understandable defensiveness at times. But the west has a long history of having blinders on, of taking its cultural superiority as a given fact, of being dismissive and ignorant of the rest of humanity. It is an afflication that has only grown more acute in modern times. We find that even in geography with the introduction of Mercators map that Britain is larger than India, and while Europe is elevated to being a continent (Eurasia) and India to a sub-continent. This geographical distortion is emblematic of the thinking of European primacy and exceptionalism. In this framework, the myth is that free markets and Capitalism were born from the Protestant work ethic and from both emerged technology and invention. It is this European exceptionalism that fuels resentment in the rest of the world, and creates Marxism as a reaction. But it IS a myth and an even greater distortion of reality than Mercators maps. Trading, markets, capital accumulation, innovation, invention are not the sole provenance of
the west. It was the integration of European markets into a pre-existing global trading system that pulled Europe out of its 'Dark Ages'. Residents of the Cosmopolitan world city Hangzhou had indoor plumbing, toilet paper, matches,and printed books for hundreds of years when Londoners lived in a backwater village and wiped their butts with leaves. So even as a westerner, I am repelled by an overbearing Eurocentrism that is blinded to how provincial the west is in the context of thousands of years of Oriental civilizations . As a westerner, I can understand and sympathize with the occasional unfocused and mistranslated bitterness that comes my way.

[ChiangAP]

It is this European exceptionalism that fuels resentment in the rest of the world, and creates Marxism as a reaction.

Marxism/Leninism is a European gift to humanity , not a reaction of the rest of the world.

[Craig]

Marxism/Leninism is a European gift to humanity , not a reaction of the rest of the world.

Yes, of course. It was an 'in-house' reaction.

[hira]

Craig is the most stereotypical leftist-multiculturalist I've ever seen. No offence, I'm just amazed. It sounded like a textbook.

[ChiangAP]

Craig is the most stereotypical leftist-multiculturalist I've ever seen. No offence, I'm just amazed. It sounded like a textbook.

This is nasty! Love has no logic

[Craig]

Craig is the most stereotypical leftist-multiculturalist I've ever seen. No offence, I'm just amazed. It sounded like a textbook.

Thank you. Nice of you to say so.

[Craig]

Craig is the most stereotypical leftist-multiculturalist I've ever seen. No offence, I'm just amazed. It sounded like a textbook.

What is it exactly that brands me as a 'stereotypical' anything? Is there something specific that you disagree with? Or are you more comfortable with blanket dismissals?

[TMPikachu]

No I can't. I notified the staff and they were removed.
Things about white being dumb, songs about katrina simular to when the typhoon hit Asia, white doesn't care about anyone, evil this evil that, etc.
I'm not too happy about all of that.

Songs about Katrina wasn't me, and I think that to be crass. But in general, dumb racist white folks... yeah, those are my topics


So I was thinking... not everyone here is American, the majority I think are from Singapore or PRC or RC.
I live in America, so for me it feels like a struggle against 'the man'. Like, just this week there was a murder trial, the Asian American suspect found guilty by a jury of his all-white peers (there was more than just that, but just to keep it short). Those kinds of things I get steamed about, and want to rant. It'd be like... I guess a Taiwanese posting an article about "Mr.X intellectual imprisoned in China". Also in my belief, Asians are the most under-represented group in America. I also get the feeling that when people think 'minorities' and are careful not to do anything racist, Asians are left out of the group 'cause they're left out of mind ( jokes at the expense of Asians still happen, and when people make them they don't think 'racist'. ex: At a school film festival I went to, a movie made a dog-eating crack. But that guy would not DARE to make a crack against blacks or hispanics, because then that would be racist). So I bring these things to the forum with me.



For Asians who live in Asian countries, it probably doesn't feel the same, and seeing an Asian American rant and rave about something they don't see, it would be taken out of context.
So yeah, cultural elements have to be taken in. Like... Zhaoyun, you're from Singapore right? Mostly Asians/Chinese there, and from what I know, your country has very conservative values, so loud-mouth American ranting would probably be pretty rude in comparison huh?

and I just plain hate McDonalds :0!


***hmmm, Hira, can you think of a time that when somoene says 'no offense', somebody didn't get offended?

Edited by TMPikachu, 18 September 2005 - 06:59 PM.

[Koolasuchus]

Deleting offensive posts is bad, because then people will not see an example of what kind of behaviour is not acceptable. A better solution is to create a Hall of Shame subforum, where only Mods can post, and put all the locked offensive threads in there for all to see.

[DaMo]

Deleting offensive posts is bad, because then people will not see an example of what kind of behaviour is not acceptable. A better solution is to create a Hall of Shame subforum, where only Mods can post, and put all the locked offensive threads in there for all to see.

Great idea. Maybe we could also have a thread containing posts from other boards of the kind that do not fit the spirit of CHF ... for the sake of example.

[urofpersia]

So I was thinking... not everyone here is American, the majority I think are from Singapore or PRC or RC.
I live in America, so for me it feels like a struggle against 'the man'. Like, just this week there was a murder trial, the Asian American suspect found guilty by a jury of his all-white peers (there was more than just that, but just to keep it short). Those kinds of things I get steamed about, and want to rant. It'd be like... I guess a Taiwanese posting an article about "Mr.X intellectual imprisoned in China". Also in my belief, Asians are the most under-represented group in America. I also get the feeling that when people think 'minorities' and are careful not to do anything racist, Asians are left out of the group 'cause they're left out of mind ( jokes at the expense of Asians still happen, and when people make them they don't think 'racist'. ex: At a school film festival I went to, a movie made a dog-eating crack. But that guy would not DARE to make a crack against blacks or hispanics, because then that would be racist). So I bring these things to the forum with me.
For Asians who live in Asian countries, it probably doesn't feel the same, and seeing an Asian American rant and rave about something they don't see, it would be taken out of context.

Well, think about this for a moment. Say you have a need to rave and rant, surely there are outlets for you to do so other than Chinese History Forum? You can still rant but if you were to do it elsewhere, you still get to do it and it wouldnt affect CHF. Makes sense?

[General_Zhaoyun]

According to our statistics, the largest membership group are from America, which means American make up the largest population in CHF..

TMPikachu, you have to bear in mind that every post that you input here can affecct the atmosphere of CHF...in any case, don't just consider from your point of view, do care about others..and consider other people's view.