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[Zuo Zongtang]

http://news.bbc.co.u...000/2496277.stm

In the above link, there is a video of the Tiananmen Square massacre. However, just past the middle of the film, the reporter describes how she is inside of Tiananmen Square at the time, and zoomed in on a wounded protestor. Now, I have heard that no one died in the square, and my opinion is that at that time, the reporter was on a street leading to the square, but not inside of the square itself. Can anyone who lives in Beijing or lived there before explain to me what part of the city that was, and if it was a street or the square itself?

One thing to look at is where the human chain was formed...

[naruwan]

http://news.bbc.co.u...000/2496277.stm

In the above link, there is a video of the Tiananmen Square massacre. However, just past the middle of the film, the reporter describes how she is inside of Tiananmen Square at the time, and zoomed in on a wounded protestor. Now, I have heard that no one died in the square, and my opinion is that at that time, the reporter was on a street leading to the square, but not inside of the square itself. Can anyone who lives in Beijing or lived there before explain to me what part of the city that was, and if it was a street or the square itself?

One thing to look at is where the human chain was formed...

No one died in the square??? you mean no one died inside TienAnmen square or no one died during the whole Tienanmen Square incident?

Because I clearly remember a scene where a tank went over several people, dragging a bloddy trail behind it. I was only 10, it was perhaps one of the most vivid images I've seen in my life. Others are 911, 921 earth quake in Taiwan, The 1st Shuttle explosion, and Joey kissing Rachel.

alright, kidding aside, I am sure people died during Tienanmen square incident. Whether they died in the square? I don't have proof to show it is or isn't.

I enjoyed as she said her last line, there's people around her saying in Madarin:

"老外照相呐，不要挡镜头啊"

The foreigners are taking videos, don't block the camera"

[Barciad]

No one died in the square??? you mean no one died inside TienAnmen square or no one died during the whole Tienanmen Square incident?

Because I clearly remember a scene where a tank went over several people, dragging a bloddy trail behind it. I was only 10, it was perhaps one of the most vivid images I've seen in my life. Others are 911, 921 earth quake in Taiwan, The 1st Shuttle explosion, and Joey kissing Rachel.

alright, kidding aside, I am sure people died during Tienanmen square incident. Whether they died in the square? I don't have proof to show it is or isn't.

I enjoyed as she said her last line, there's people around her saying in Madarin:

"老外照相呐，不要挡镜头啊"

The foreigners are taking videos, don't block the camera"

It always intrigues me what will be said of Tienanman in 50 years time. When all involved are long dead and it becomes just another chapter in the history books. I wonder what the title will be, and how much space will be devoted to the 15 years afterwards. The constant oppresion and repression, the close to denials about all that happened, the arbitary arrests and attacks on those on the wrong side on that fateful day.
Whoever does get round to writing it will have to be a darn good writer as to force shame on the memories of all those involved.

Edited by Barciad, 12 October 2005 - 03:47 AM.

[Zuo Zongtang]

No one died in the square??? you mean no one died inside TienAnmen square or no one died during the whole Tienanmen Square incident?

Because I clearly remember a scene where a tank went over several people, dragging a bloddy trail behind it. I was only 10, it was perhaps one of the most vivid images I've seen in my life. Others are 911, 921 earth quake in Taiwan, The 1st Shuttle explosion, and Joey kissing Rachel.

alright, kidding aside, I am sure people died during Tienanmen square incident. Whether they died in the square? I don't have proof to show it is or isn't.

I enjoyed as she said her last line, there's people around her saying in Madarin:

"老外照相呐，不要挡镜头啊"

The foreigners are taking videos, don't block the camera"

Yes, I know that people died int eh incident, but hte question is, did they die in the square? The reporter said she was in the square, but I want to see proof that she was in the square and not in a road leading up to the square.

[caocao74]

Yes, I know that people died int eh incident, but hte question is, did they die in the square? The reporter said she was in the square, but I want to see proof that she was in the square and not in a road leading up to the square.

Why? Would that make the deaths more important somehow?

[naruwan]

Yes, I know that people died int eh incident, but hte question is, did they die in the square? The reporter said she was in the square, but I want to see proof that she was in the square and not in a road leading up to the square.

According to her, you was in the square, looking out to the road leading out of the square where the PLA formed a line to prevent them from leaving.

And like caocao74 said.... if people died during the incident, does it really matter where they died?

In fact, if i am commanding PLA, and i decided to give the order to fire, i would rather that i have people contained in a freaking square and fire on their a$$es than to have them running all over the streets of Beijing.

But that's just me. I like to keep things simple.

Edited by naruwan, 12 October 2005 - 01:34 PM.

[Zuo Zongtang]

The point of the thread was to examine whether the BBC reporter was or was not in the square. If you wish, I will debate with you the importance of deaths in the square and outside in a more appropriate thread.

[Grumblefish]

I've lived in Beijing for a year, and I'll be heading back there at the end of this year. If your question is specifically "Did the BBC video show people being killed in the Square proper, or only in the street?" Then I'd have to say that, from what I saw (it was streaming really slowly, and the quality was rubbish), they did not have a clear shot of anyone dying in the middle of tiananmen square.

However, when you hear the lady make a comment about people riding around on bikes and helping the wounded, there is a short of a crowd on a large road - it is entirely possible that it happened just off the corner of TianAnMen, or at least very close. Either way, I've seen other videos of the TianAnMen Massacre, and I can tell you that, at the very least, people were being carted away (like the lady said) at TianAnMen. They were injured, but whether they were dead, or died later, is not something I know.

I didn't watch the last quarter of the video - my connection is just too bad, and the quality of the video was not very good.

[naruwan]

The point of the thread was to examine whether the BBC reporter was or was not in the square. If you wish, I will debate with you the importance of deaths in the square and outside in a more appropriate thread.

I'd love to do that. Go ahead and start the new thread. Enlighten me on what's the importance of deaths in the square v.s. Death in the street.

[fcharton]

http://news.bbc.co.u...000/2496277.stm

In the above link, there is a video of the Tiananmen Square massacre. However, just past the middle of the film, the reporter describes how she is inside of Tiananmen Square at the time, and zoomed in on a wounded protestor. Now, I have heard that no one died in the square, and my opinion is that at that time, the reporter was on a street leading to the square, but not inside of the square itself. Can anyone who lives in Beijing or lived there before explain to me what part of the city that was, and if it was a street or the square itself?

One thing to look at is where the human chain was formed...

I am sorry, I could not download the video. Could someone post one or two screen shts of it (not the zooming in on the wounded, rather some which depict the background around her)? I might be able to help, I was living in Beijing at the time, and have been in the square a number of times during this period.

Francois

[Zuo Zongtang]

Unfortunately, I can't seem to get a screenshot of the thing. MS Paint won't let me.