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[Minty]

I am wondering has anyone seen Chinese with sunken eyes. Or has anyone seen Chinese who look a bit Polynesian?


If so can you show me pictures?

Edited by Minty, 03 April 2006 - 04:45 PM.

[qrasy]

http://www.kumanolif...istory/dna.html

Reported from DNA Analytic thinking.
Actual Japanese are intermixture of

1 Japanese 4.8%
2 Korean 24.2%
3 Chinese 25.8%
4 Ainu (Native Northern Japanese) 8.1%
5 Okinawa people (Native Southern Japanese) 16.1%
6 Other 21%

... How can Japanese have this small percentage of Japanese?
My reading:
The first line is "type inherent of XX" (not saying the original XX only have this type)
For others, it's written "a type found in large proportion in XX" (instead of "a type originated in XX")

(edit: it's Mitochondria DNA)

Most Southern Chinese have sunk in eyes, much more so than the average Japanese or Korean.

I do see a percentage in Hong Kong but I don't see this as a majority.
But nevertheless, still they don't look like Polynesian either.

Edited by qrasy, 12 April 2006 - 05:59 PM.

[qrasy]

Perhaps I just don't notice people with shallow-set eyes
(shallow is still sunk, anyway)

* or probably I was wrong

Edited by qrasy, 13 April 2006 - 09:13 AM.

[Minty]

I do see a percentage in Hong Kong but I don't see this as a majority.
But nevertheless, still they don't look like Polynesian either.

No sorry I don't mean Chinese with sunken eyes as well as looking Polynesian. I mean Chinese with sunken eyes and Chinese who look Polynesian. I know some Chinese who do have sunken eyes but not too many. I am wondering whether there are any Chinese who look Polynesian.

Edited by Minty, 15 April 2006 - 11:05 AM.

[Minty]

I'm speaking of my experience with overseas Chinese, most of the Chinese around where I live are from Fujian/Guangdong and they have sunk in eyes.

Ok, then there are more than I think. I think I saw some genetic data that do suppport Chinese with sunken eyes.

[tenjii]

they look hindu to me.

its the year 2009.latest research proves that ainus are genetically related to the andaman islanders and the tibetans of central asia.they look hindu becoz they get that from the andaman islanders of western india.

[tenjii]

its the year 2009.latest research proves that ainus are genetically related to the andaman islanders and the tibetans of central asia.they look hindu becoz they get that from the andaman islanders of western india.

according to the theory of migration.there were two main migrations into asia.the primary(mongoloid) migration and the secondary(mongoloid) migration.the primary mongoloids migrated from out of africa-NW india-N asia-NE asia-across the bridge that connected asia to N america. native americans belong to this primary mongoloid group.thus forming an arc on the northern borders of asia.the secondary mongoloids migrated out of africa-through india-south east asia.the secondary mongoloids had a farming culture.cultivating rice and vegetables. whereas the primary mongoloids were all nomadic and never farmed.mongolians,siberians,tibetans and other northern mongoloids were all nomadic and are primary mongoloids.many of these people are still nomadic.these primary mongoloids also share shamanistic beleifs.tibetans,mongols,native americans,old koreans all share a shamanistic culture.researchers have proven that mongols and tibetans belong to the primary mongoloid family.

the tibeto language which has its own branches is closest in similarity to the burmese language.the burmese language has some similarities with the chinese language.hence the tibeto-burmese language is classified into the "sino-tibetan" language family.the tibeto language family does not have much in common with chinese,except a few words.the chinese sentence order is SVO whereas the tibetan sentence order is SOV.(subject-object-verb).the altaic and indic sentence orders are also SOV. korean and japonic languages also share a few words in common with the chinese language but they are classified as language isolates.some linguists say the korean language is related to the manchu-tungus language family and others say the korean and japonic languages share a common ancestor.although this might be true in the case of korean language.most linguists group languages according to geographic convenience.many linguists will say that Lapp and finnish belong to the same family of languages(because lapland and finland are close) even-though there is no relative similarity between the two languages.most chinese will not understand a single word of tibetan and it is true the other way around too.

back to migration patterns and relatedness of asians accordingly.although the primary migration and secondary migration of asians are considered the two main migration of asians, the migrating did NOT stop there.asians still migrated from one place to another.south east asians(secondary mongoloids) started migrating north. central asian-tibeto people(primary mongoloid) started migrating south towards bhutan,nepal,burma and other areas.with the migrating of the two mongoloid peoples, they started to intermingle.hence genetic studies will always show some amount of relatedness among almost all asians.one proof of this intermingling of southern asians and northern asians are the japonic peoples.although japan is in the pacific,far NE of asia, the people there still show relation to both southern mongoloids and northern mongoloids.the northern han chinese show similarities with the tibeto people because some ancestors of tibetans most likely moved to chinese areas and some ancestors of han(southern mongoloids) likewise migrated to tibetan areas(migration here again). this would had to have taken place before 2000-4000 years because tibetans later remained isolated.koreans too most likely have genetic relations with both northern and southern mongoloids.

ainus and okinawans are the natives of japan and are grouped as the jomon peoples.they resided in japan 10000 years before the yayoi moved to japan.the yayoi migrated to japan from the korean peninsula about 4000 years ago.almost all of the japanese population is genetically related to the koreans through the yayoi peoples.the okinawans are said to have migrated from the yellow river area in china and settled in japan before the yayoi peoples.hence the okinawans look more like your average asian. whereas latest research shows that ainus are genetically related to the tibetans and Andaman islanders of S.western India. indic peoples and caucasoid peoples are grouped into the aryan family and are genetically similar with minor differences. in the case of the ainus, their genepool must be dominated by the andaman islandic gene.hence the hairiness of the ainus, and their aryan features.

conclusion:the asian peoples mentioned in the Question are related to one another but they did not evolve out of Han chinese.

Edited by tenjii, 12 August 2009 - 03:22 AM.

[Chanpuru]

ainus and okinawans are the natives of japan and are grouped as the jomon peoples.they resided in japan 10000 years before the yayoi moved to japan.the yayoi migrated to japan from the korean peninsula about 4000 years ago.almost all of the japanese population is genetically related to the koreans through the yayoi peoples.the okinawans are said to have migrated from the yellow river area in china and settled in japan before the yayoi peoples.hence the okinawans look more like your average asian. whereas latest research shows that ainus are genetically related to the tibetans and Andaman islanders of S.western India. indic peoples and caucasoid peoples are grouped into the aryan family and are genetically similar with minor differences. in the case of the ainus, their genepool must be dominated by the andaman islandic gene.hence the hairiness of the ainus, and their aryan features.

conclusion:the asian peoples mentioned in the Question are related to one another but they did not evolve out of Han chinese.

Indeed the peoples of the Japonic islands, Tibetans and Andamese tribes share the D haplogroup, its probably unlikely the stockiness and hairiness of Ainus and Ryukyuans are attributed to this. Based on pictures the Andamanese tribes are not hairy at all and they are quite slender. Secondly, they have virtually no visible Aryan features, unlike some of the other ethnic groups in South Asia. The Ainu in fact, have very little in common with any Caucasoid groups according to numerous journal articles. its just that their combination of larger eyes, lighter skin, and ability to grow more hair makes them appear more "caucasian" especially when compared to other east asian groups who have much stronger mongoloid features.

[SNK_1408]

The genetic relationships of modern human races
Source: http://www.andaman.o.../Background.htm



You can see the group of branches of genetic relationships of modern population.