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[MengTzu]

Thanks to the nurture (后天), 命 can be skirted and modified and even transcended with proper upbringings and education. Technics like Neuro-Linguistic Programming is gaining wide acceptance and popularity.

Interesting stuff, but can you include everything in one post?

[LYY]

Interesting stuff, but can you include everything in one post?

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THE MBTI AND NLP

I feel I must add a note about NLP (NeuroLinguistic Programming) and it's relation to the ProActive/Reactive position, as well as Dilts' belief model which correlates well with the hexagram form and the four levels within the MBTI.


TIMELINES AND PROACTION/REACTION

The manner in which the MBTI has been mapped to the template suggests that ProActive/Reactive is mapped to the Judge/Perceive axis (and therefore relates back to Jung' rational/irrational axis). A logical ordering of this does not exist in the binary tree format (PJ-JJ-PJ-PP) but develops in the variation on a theme model (circular or left side of tree mapped to right side of tree, therefore NT+NF and SJ+SP).
Taking this into consideration, there seems to be an association with internal concepts of time and proactive/reactive behaviour.

(1)The proactive person seems to have a timeline (past to future) that runs left to right or right to left across the front of the individual.
This line may touch or pass through the individual (labelled as associated) or not (named as dissociated).

(2)The reactive seems to have a timeline bias to passing from the back to the front of the individual.
It may pass through the individual (associated) or by the side of the individual (dissociated).

(3)Most timelines are of this form or are variations, but there is a commonly found form structured half way between in the form of a V.

[LYY]

from VALUE to TEMPLATE ... the secret of creating your future


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(1) ALL objects (disciplines, 'universe of discourse', whatever..) have the TEMPLATE as a source of meanings.
Experiences, expectations, predictions etc, favour the development of a particular path through the template.

(2) Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP) is founded on the making of dichotomies and as such is guaranteed to elicit a sense of 'VALUE' regardless of any 'facts'. ... and that process alone will 'create' a TEMPLATE waiting to be filled out.

[MengTzu]

Heeey, is I Ching JUST a book that makes predictions? Some sorta chinese tarot? Isn't it supposed to have deeper philosophical undercurrents and be maybe even the founding legend of Chinese civilization etc?

It is both a book of fortune telling and philosophy. The basic premise is that all things are the manifestation of two opposing forces, Yin and Yang, which are the manifestation of the Great Ultimate. Each thing in nature contains layer upon layer of Yin and Yang. The Yi Ching goes up to six layers, thus considers 2 to the 6th power (2 because there are two possibilities, Yin and Yang; each power is a layer), which is 64. One can extend this infinitely.

People who use the Yi Ching to tell fortune believe that one can, through some manipulation of stalks or coins, calculate these layers of Yin and Yang to derive some symbols known as "Gua", which contain these Yin and Yang lines or "Yao" (each line is a layer.) With these Gua's and Yao's, the fortune teller can see the forces of nature and tell what will happen. Yi Ching became a philosophical book with its underlying premises concerning laws of nature.

As a book of philosophy, its interpreters seek to use it to explain the structure of the universe, metaphysically and physically. The idea that Yin and Yang are the manifestation of the Great Ultimate, the two forces are manifested in a myriad of things, is one example of philosophical interpretation of Yi Ching, which sees in the universe a stucture of oneness to many, of 2 to the 0 power to 2 to nth power.

The Yi Ching is a very important classic to both Confucians and Taoists. It is considered by some as the most ancient classic of the classics.

[Tuck]

I have read some books on Yi Ching. I have not found a good book to study.
It is something that I always wanted to learn. ... Is there a good book or a preferred Yi Ching web site that any of you experts can recommend? ...

I would like to invite you to visit my website, Unveiling the mystery of I Ching at www.iching123.com.
There texts and ten wings are interpreted and elaborated in details from Confucian perspective.

Regards
Tuck