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[BlueDragonMagik]

Yun, I found a shop in Chinatown (SG) where they have a few copies of the 36 strategies for sale.  They look really old and are written on bamboo strips, bound into a long folded book scroll.  The shopkeeper insists they are at least a few hundred years old.  I'm doubtful.  Do you think they are authentic?  They only cost about S$40 each.

I rather buy the Asiapac copy of the 36 Strategems for less than $12. ... It is cheaper and I love comic books. ...

[CARDINAL009]

Yun, I found a shop in Chinatown (SG) where they have a few copies of the 36 strategies for sale.  They look really old and are written on bamboo strips, bound into a long folded book scroll.  The shopkeeper insists they are at least a few hundred years old.  I'm doubtful.  Do you think they are authentic?  They only cost about S$40 each.

LJm,

Doubt it.

If the item has some type of value to you, go f/ it.

Saw a similar item in S/F Chinatown for over $80 (USD).

Prefer the book ["The Wiles of War"] as a 36 Strgtms book. BDM's suggestion of the A/P book is above adequate in its explaination of the [36].

Good luck in your search.

[Liu Bei]

I found a website that I want to share that gives historic examples of these 36 strategies.

http://www.geocities...ngyu/strategies

Cool Site!

[Liu Bei]

I found a website that I want to share that gives historic examples of these 36 strategies.

http://www.geocities...ngyu/strategies

Do you know the Chinese website for historic examples of the 36 strategies?

[BlueDragonMagik]

Do you know the Chinese website for historic examples of the 36 strategies?

I think the best way is to run a search through a search engine. ...

[CARDINAL009]

Do you know the Chinese website for historic examples of the 36 strategies?

Asianpac books has a good book on 36 Strgtms w/ good historical examples.

Believe their copy is only in English.

Edited by CARDINAL009, 19 August 2005 - 03:27 PM.

[Chinese Paladin]

One very interesting thing about Sun Zi art of war, it matches exactly oh how Weiqi (Go) works.
The way the art of war tells u, seems to tell u how to play weiqi. Ask any weiqi player..and shows them this chapter, it amazing. How wonder weiqi is say to be apply to war too.

It is on chapter 8 i think titled Nine changes.

(Jiu Pian)Nine changes means the ever changing pattern, that must be taken into accord. In Weiqi , there are 9 crucial points (stars) too. Next it will tell u, when to attack and when not to attack. And how to surround the terrains, and learn to give up gains for a wiser gains etc. And dont attack fortify city unless u have strong support. In weiqi, u must leave a gap between ur black and opposing white, or u will lose if u dont understand any of the principles. Coz weiqi issnt simple surround. You can win only if u know the rules.

[CARDINAL009]

One very interesting thing about Sun Zi art of war, it matches exactly oh how Weiqi (Go) works.
The way the art of war tells u, seems to tell u how to play weiqi. Ask any weiqi player..and shows them this chapter, it amazing. How wonder weiqi is say to be apply to war too.

It is on chapter 8 i think titled Nine changes.

(Jiu Pian)Nine changes means the ever changing pattern, that must be taken into accord. In Weiqi , there are 9 crucial points (stars) too. Next it will tell u, when to attack and when not to attack. And how to surround the terrains, and learn to give up gains for a wiser gains etc. And dont attack fortify city unless u have strong support. In weiqi, u must leave a gap between ur black and opposing white, or u will lose if u dont understand any of the principles. Coz weiqi issnt simple surround. You can win only if u know the rules.

Knowing the rules isn't enough. Continue by knowing the strategies and tactics.
Studying the games of the grand masters is needed.

Study the history helps too.

Go is one of those simple games that takes 9 min of learn and a lifetime 2 master.

Edited by CARDINAL009, 31 January 2006 - 10:35 PM.

[CARDINAL009]

One very interesting thing about Sun Zi art of war, it matches exactly oh how Weiqi (Go) works.
The way the art of war tells u, seems to tell u how to play weiqi. Ask any weiqi player..and shows them this chapter, it amazing. How wonder weiqi is say to be apply to war too.

It is on chapter 8 i think titled Nine changes.

(Jiu Bian)Nine changes means the ever changing pattern, that must be taken into accord. In Weiqi , there are 9 crucial points (stars) too. Next it will tell u, when to attack and when not to attack. And how to surround the terrains, and learn to give up gains for a wiser gains etc. And dont attack fortify city unless u have strong support. In weiqi, u must leave a gap between ur black and opposing white, or u will lose if u dont understand any of the principles. Coz weiqi issnt simple surround. You can win only if u know the rules.

Just thought about your point.

Sunzi AoW contains a combination of both general strategy and and tactical specifics principles

One notion of Sunzi AoW is about identifying what target to attack.

Regardless of the climate and the terrain of battle, the strategist attacks the mind of the opposition.

Then, his/her belief system and finally his actual position through a combination of indirect and direct approaches.

If you can do that, victory @ any gamefield is guaranteed.

This Cardinal recommends the Ma Xiaochun book ["The Thirty-six Stratagems Applied to Go"]. It's a good tactical strategy book for the game of GO.

The 36 stratagems aproach is not about a set of guidelines that'll prove helpful in many different scenarios.

My take on the book:
* Every plan includes an oversight by the opponent (Threats, Opportunities. Weakness and Strengths);
* Your tactical plan and implementation is always based on positional judgment;
* Sacrifices occurs when one knows what he's doing and the plan is supported by profound experience and reading.

Good luck!

Edited by CARDINAL009, 10 April 2007 - 06:59 PM.

[Non-Han Nan Ban]

I read somewhere (although now I can't remember), that an emperor of a later dynasty (tang, song, or ming, can't remember which one either) banned this book of 36 Strategies for a long time due to its foul and decietful nature, the dark side of human nature. Can anyone find out about this and if it was true?

[CARDINAL009]

I read somewhere (although now I can't remember), that an emperor of a later dynasty (tang, song, or ming, can't remember which one either) banned this book of 36 Strategies for a long time due to its foul and decietful nature, the dark side of human nature. Can anyone find out about this and if it was true?

Most books including 36 Strategies are overrated if one does not know how to prepare themselves.
["The Will to Prepare"] is always stronger than ["The Will to Win"].


Believe about this occurence from the following book ["Chinese Mind Game: The Best Kept Trade Secret Of The East" by Chin-ning Chu] or was it ["Asian Mind Game by Chin-ning Chu].

[dej2]

The 36 Stratagems of Ancient China I can compare to the more recent book -- 48 Laws of Power by Robert Greene Robert

Have you read this book? I almost regret buying it... not that the book is poorly written, on contrary it's rather well written. But he is very cynical, very Machiavellian (Any man who try's to be good all the time is bound to run to someone who is not good), where their is only two types of people, your either an agressor or your a victim, the trick is to get him first before he can get you.

Here are a couple of the chapter headings that I found objectionable: Get Others to do the Work for You, But Always Take the Credit, Learn to Keep People Dependent on You.

The book would'nt be bad if it concentrated on gaining power against your enemies, but the book seems to focus on concentrating on gaining power through the unknowing, naive and innocent. The book regularly refers to the other party as victims. As distasteful as this book is... the book really conveys that the author is really being sincere that he is giving you good advice, as psychotic it may be.

Someone should write a book on how to protecting yourself from this type of person. I can only recommend this book for people who wish to have a better insight how bad people think. Possibly giving you some type of edge in protecting yourself. Warning--I only can recommend this book for people with the stongest constitutions. Hence the weak shall only fall under the spell of this author and ruin the lives of your loved ones and friends.

My greatest fear is that the unscrupulous will use the book as their bible, only adding and re-enforcing to their own assortment of scheming and conniving ideas. Greene has a new book out called "The Art of Secduction" I hear its a dating guide. It's alsmost scary to think of what he published in that book.

[CARDINAL009]

Most ppl do not think strategy in terms of general and specific principles.

They relate to it in terms of ["fortune cookie"] sayings.

Thanks f. the suggestion.

Edited by CARDINAL009, 15 October 2006 - 04:50 PM.

[Solid_Snake]

wow, very inspiring! thank you, thank you.

[CARDINAL009]

Are you serious?

Nothing inspiring or enlightening.

All about common sense.