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#16 caocao74

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 01:51 PM

Edojidai continued

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(left-to-right) samurai in firefighting garb, daimyo in yoroi hitatare and jinbaori (vest), and a samurai in light combat order (chain undergarment and a tatami-hitai-ate helmet).

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Various 19th Century photographic (and somewhat nostalgic) images of samurai (and lastly a Souhei).
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 02:03 PM

The picture of Tadeko (Musashi's given name) is much to nice he has ALWAYS been describet as scruffy looking at best, even by the people that knew him personaly in his time, he only ONCE is describet as somewhat correctly dressed, when he on his trip to Edo got to visit a powerful Daimyo, so the picture of him is not his usuall self.
My motto would be 'Truth will out, but no truth is absolute'.
We all should look for the truth, no matter how painful or obnoxious it might be. but we always have to keep in mind that any truth we find will be coloured by both our self as well as those that createt it. an absolute truth is always impossible to reach since we as species by nature is falible. the greatest danger is when we convinces our self that the truth we know is the only truth that counts.

Worth remembering that truth is not the same as law of reality. IE the law of gravity no matter how it is describet is always as law that counts, likewise all other natural laws, it is only our incomplete grasp of them that can make them seem inconsistent or untruthfull.

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Posted 04 November 2005 - 02:06 PM

The picture of Tadeko (Musashi's given name) is much to nice he has ALWAYS been describet as scruffy looking at best, even by the people that knew him personaly in his time, he only ONCE is describet as somewhat correctly dressed, when he on his trip to Edo got to visit a powerful Daimyo, so the picture of him is not his usuall self.



Have you managed to find another one of Musashi? Rarely do they match up the Cromwell-'warts n'all' image presented by legend.
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Posted 04 November 2005 - 05:01 PM

Have you managed to find another one of Musashi? Rarely do they match up the Cromwell-'warts n'all' image presented by legend.


Nope, not made of painters of the time, but i have read quite a few of the books incl his own 5 rings. that mentioned him over the years. either as a main character or as a background for which to make comparisons.
BUT there is one site i will find were there is loads about him and Yoshitsune the OTHER prototypical Samurai (Yoshitsune has also been claimed to be an originator for much of the legendary skills that Ninjas should have possesed, having learned it from Tengu's duing his escaped up into the hills and mountains of Iga) The problem is that i am not very good at Kanji so you would have to take over.

By the way, his own people (Does who knew him) never said his was 'dirty' only that he look permanently down on his luck and whit longer and longer hair as he grew older.
In fact the portrayal of him by Toshiro Mifume in the Samurai trilogy from 1954-56, is probably the best of him as a real live character from what i have read, whit all his faults and weaknesses and also his mono-mania in becoming the best there is, in his quest for perfection, this does not mean only as a swordsman, but as a swordsman AND balanced human being.
By the way his decendants (Not directly, he never had children) numbers more than 150 people today directly and more than a thousand that can use his family name (Miyamoto, also the name of the village were he grew up)

But no matter what, he was a fasinating character, and still is B)
My motto would be 'Truth will out, but no truth is absolute'.
We all should look for the truth, no matter how painful or obnoxious it might be. but we always have to keep in mind that any truth we find will be coloured by both our self as well as those that createt it. an absolute truth is always impossible to reach since we as species by nature is falible. the greatest danger is when we convinces our self that the truth we know is the only truth that counts.

Worth remembering that truth is not the same as law of reality. IE the law of gravity no matter how it is describet is always as law that counts, likewise all other natural laws, it is only our incomplete grasp of them that can make them seem inconsistent or untruthfull.

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Posted 09 November 2005 - 03:05 PM

Fascinating and rather odorous; ideal for Taiga dramas :D

The Edojidai continued...

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Samurai from an 18th Century print

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Samurai serving as Kyoto police (left), Uniform of the Shinsengumi (centre) and Nakajima Nobori (1837-87), instructor in the Shinsengumi (right)

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Satsuma samurai photographed during the Boshin War (1867-8)

Modern Representations

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Akira Kurosawa's famed Shichinin no Samurai (left) and Sonny Chiba's Shogun's Samurai (sorry, words can not express my embarrassment at having seen this)
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Posted 17 November 2005 - 12:23 PM

Edojidai contd....

Another 'clean' one of Miyamoto Musashi
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By Utagawa Kuniyoshi, Thirty-six Fashionable Restaurants of Edo; Mukoujima: Miyamoto Musashi (Tôto ryuukou sanjuuroku kaiseki Mukoujima: Miyamoto Musashi), 1852

A member of the former-Asano retinue, famed in the Chuushingura tale
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By Utagawa Kunisada, Chuushingura, the Treasury of Loyal Retainers: The People Involved in the Night Attack (Kanadehon chuushingura: youchi ninzû no uchi) c.1850

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BY Tsukioka (Utagawa) Yoshitoshi, Illustrated Biographies of Loyal Righteous Samurai (Seichuu gishi meimei gaden), 1869
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Posted 28 November 2005 - 05:42 AM

The Earliest Times
The Kofunjidai / Asukajidai


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The above images and some subsequent images are from http://www.iz2.or.jp/english/

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For a Haniwa of a warrior in a set of Keiko armour, see: http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=8065


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Jinmu Tenno

660 BC - 550 BC

He is Emperor of the first generation.
He coming out of Takachiho in Hyuga Land, invading to east, was enthroned in Yamato Land.
And, this year was designated as year of creation world.

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Posted 28 November 2005 - 06:15 AM

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Yokohama Fotografie (Kinbei Kusakabe), Samurai
ca. 1880

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Japanese samurai in armour, 1860s. Photograph by Felice Beato

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Samurai of the Satsuma clan, during the Boshin War period (1868-1869)

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The Samurai Hasekura Tsunenaga in Rome in 1615, Coll. Borghese, Rome

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http://www.e-budokai...les/weapons.htm

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Heiji Monogatari Emaki (illustrated stories about Heiji Civil War).
Vol. Of the Removal of Imperial Family to Rokuhara.

http://www.tnm.go.jp...71_&Q5=&F1=&F2=
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Posted 10 December 2005 - 11:17 AM

A lot of illustrations can be found here;

http://www.kiku.com/..._gallery_j.html (in Japanese)
http://www.kiku.com/...ai_gallery.html (in English)
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Posted 20 December 2005 - 01:36 PM

Some photographs of samurai from the Bakumatsu period;
http://www.dokidoki..../bakumatu.shtml
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#26 Hang Li Po

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Posted 23 December 2005 - 10:08 PM

Some photographs of samurai from the Bakumatsu period;
http://www.dokidoki..../bakumatu.shtml


Thanks caocao74 i found 19 century samurai photo...
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#27 Hang Li Po

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 12:11 AM

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 02:39 PM

A site with images f the mdern Samurai Festival
http://gojapan.about...ul_samurai3.htm
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#29 Hang Li Po

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:36 PM

Felice Beato - Japanese Samurai In Traditional Attire (1860s)

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Felice Beato - Japanese Officers With MAp (1860s) Satsuma & Choshu Clan

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Felice Beato - Members of the Two Sworded Samurai Class (1860s)

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Felice Beato - Samurai firefighters (1860s)

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Felice Beato - Samurai Giving Alms To Nuns (1860s)

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Felice Beato - Samurai handling sword (1860s)

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#30 Hang Li Po

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Posted 15 March 2006 - 11:43 PM

Felice Beato - Samurai with Servant (1860s)

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Kusakabe Kimbei - Group of samurai near Yokohama - (1880s)

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Michael Maslan - Models Pose as Samurai (1890s)

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Michael Maslan - Retired Samurai with Tattoed Back (1890s)

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Unknown - A Samurai guarded Gate (1860s)

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Unknown - Man in Samurai Armour (19th century)

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Unknown - Samurai (1870s)

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