Greatest Historical Figure of China
Posted 27 November 2005 - 01:02 AM
I rank the following in terms of their impact on chinese history:
Sun Yat Sen
Chiang Kai Shek
Quite frankly, I like Deng Xiaopeng the best, because without him, China would still be in a state of utter poverty without any reform.
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Posted 27 November 2005 - 01:19 AM
Jiang Jieshi(Chiang Kai-Shek)
I believe Chairman Mao had the greatest impact on China, without him China might have been something totally different from today. I also agree with GZ's statement on Deng Xiaoping's reforms that brought China out of poverty and modernize the country a bit.
Posted 27 November 2005 - 03:29 AM
Chiang Kai Shek
Sun Yat Sen
Sun yat Sen, founding father of modern CHina is a great leader. However, I believe he is more of a man of words, and ideas and cannot fully incorportae it through the use of the military.
Posted 27 November 2005 - 03:34 PM
On one hand Sun Yat Sen is the great father of modren China wether it is communist or capitalist, whitout him and his influence on society as a whole, China and the world would most likely have looked very differently, it is almost certaint that Mao could not have been Mao whitout the changes that Sun introduced to the Chinese society and most importantly the wiew of the chinese of themself as culture and people.
Mao has had most direct influence of all four mentioned, but he was just as much createt by outside forces he had very little influence over, to name a few :
1) Japan's invasion of china proper, gave him both possibilities and helped furthering the nationalistic (In the western sence) trends that was in chinese society.
2) Chiang Kai Shek was in many ways the perfect opponent to Mao due both to his strenght's (He was a fairly able general and millitary man) and his weaknesses (As a politician and strategist, he was a dunce compared to Mao)IE strong enough to be a threath,(useful for unifiring purposes) but never really a longterm threath as such. His *administration* was corrupt in the ekstreme, it would have imploded sooner or later whit or whitout Mao.
3) Stalin's *help* were also of great importance in forming the historical Mao, and not least his distrust in general of all people of power.
4) WW2. I would claim that whitout WW2 no Mao, both for political reasons, but not least millitary once, since the war gave Mao (And Chiang) a fighting chance against the Japanese, and lots of support from people and nations that would not have given them the time of day in other circumstances.
But no matter that, Mao is my final choice for the most influencial figure in China in 20' century.
As an Historic figure, only time will tell, but my guess is that Sun and Deng will surpass him later on. (+50 years down the road)
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Posted 27 November 2005 - 04:47 PM
Posted 27 November 2005 - 05:27 PM
With the latter definition, I would say Mao Zedong probably had the "greatest" achievements as they had the most impact, whether positive or negative, while Dr. Sun Yatsen's was "greatest" in terms of positive achievements.
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Posted 27 November 2005 - 11:36 PM
China was weak at the time, if Yuan had been more farsighted, he would have concentrated on implementing reforms to strengthen China from internal and external enemies and China could have avoided the subsequent
period of instability and intervention by foreigners.
Yuan, however was a product of the 19th century. He probably felt that dictatorship was the only way out to stability.
Thus, I would say that Yuan Shikai was one of the people who had the most decisive impact on the course of events in 20th century China.
I find him similar to Reza Khan of Persia who took power in 1921.
Posted 28 November 2005 - 10:42 PM
actually all four had their moments in China History.
Sun Yat.Sen 1911-1926
Chiang Kai Shek 1926-1949
Mao Zedong 1949-1976
Deng Xiaopeng 1976-1996
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