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[DaMo]

http://news.xinhuane...ent_1916938.htm

Manchu ethnicity makes big contribution to mankind, scholar says

www.chinaview.cn 2004-08-29 09:50:36

    SHENYANG, Aug. 29 (Xinhuanet) -- China's Manchu ethnicity has made great contributions to the historic development and the civilization of China and the rest of the world, a Chinese scholar said at an ongoing seminar held in the capital city of northeast China's Liaoning Province.

    Yan Chongnian, a research fellow at the Beijing Academy of Social Sciences, outlined 10 contributions Manchus made over the past 360 years at an international seminar on the culture of the Qing Dynasty (1644-1911).

    The Manchu, a minority people in China, established the Qing Dynasty in 1644 and brought the country into a period of great prosperity in the reign of Emperor Kangxi.

    They laid a foundation of modern Chinese territory. In the heyday of the Qing Dynasty, China's territory covered 12.5 millionsquare kilometers.

    The Manchu rulers unified various ethnic groups in China duringthe Qing Dynasty.

    They created the Manchu language and compiled important books and dictionaries which have been handed down for generations.

    The group produced the most politicians, strategists, artists, linguists and scientists among the 55 ethnic groups in any period in China's history.

    Thanks to an active population expanding policy, the emperors of the Qing Dynasty succeeded in making China the most populous nation in the world.

    Emperors of the Qing Dynasty built numerous imperial gardens and summer resorts, creating a unique "horticulture culture" for their descendants, Yan said.

[wkp]

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[quote][u]Manchu ethnicity makes big contribution to mankind, scholar says[/u]

www.chinaview.cn 2004-08-29 09:50:36

Thanks to an active population expanding policy, the emperors of the Qing Dynasty succeeded in making China the most populous nation in the world.[/quote]
I don't know if it is a contribution. One of China's present problem is over population.

[DaMo]

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[quote][u]Manchu ethnicity makes big contribution to mankind, scholar says[/u]

www.chinaview.cn 2004-08-29 09:50:36

Thanks to an active population expanding policy, the emperors of the Qing Dynasty succeeded in making China the most populous nation in the world.[/quote]
I don't know if it is a contribution. One of China's present problem is over population. [/quote]
It wasn't really a problem until the last century.

Actually, China had been the most populous (and largest) country in the world many times before the Qing dynasty.

[Kulong]

Thanks to an active population expanding policy, the emperors of the Qing Dynasty succeeded in making China the most populous nation in the world.

I believe Mao has more to do with China's current large population than any Qing emperor... <_<

[Borjigin Ayurbarwada]

They are glorified because they conquered new territories.

[Kulong]

It's weird how manchus are glorified by chinese. Haven't they rewritten the whole chinese history shortly after their conquest? I read somewhere they destroyed large amounts of documents and rewritten some portions of history regarding previous dynasties...

What's with your anti-Chinese attitdue? Though you're not straight-out flaming but you are not really contributing anythign to worthwhile to the forum except for your constant negative opinions. Why come here and ruin out forum? I'm sure there are forums out there for the likes of you.

[Yun]

Not at all, actually - the Qing dynasty got very bad press for most of the 20th century, because it got blamed for declining and losing so badly to Westerners and the Japanese in the 19th century. The nationalists also made a lot out of the fact that the Manchus were not really Chinese and therefore had less commitment to the interests of the "nation".

It's only in the last 10 years or so that the Qing has begun to get a fairer deal from historians. Partly it's because TV series about the height of the Qing under the Kangxi and Qianlong emperors have suddenly become very popular in mainland China.

[General_Zhaoyun]

What anti-chinese attitudes? I only try to correct some weird claims by some people like "China owned Mongolia" or "they (meaning my ancestors) were too barbaric to be worthwhile of our cultured communication" or even making Genghis Khan a chinese national hero for the sake of some dubious PRC assimilation policies. One-sided information feed isn't healthy you know ;) It happens that chinese history also concerns our history and vice versa so it's not just "your forum". Let's agree to disagree, because that's what discussions are. You'll learn it when your country undergoes political reforms. :lol:

Anyway, isn't it true that chinese sources tend to glorify the Qing dynasty and are less critical towards it than the other dynasties?

Well.. the fact of history was that Qing dynasty did great from the 16th-18th century.. but from 19th century onwards, the general view of chinese was that it was the Qing dynasty that was the most corrupted in the whole of chinese history. Also, the late period of Qing was the most humiliating part of chinese history.

Chono, I know you originate from Mongolia, but the Mongols did found a Yuan dynasty in China, so historically speaking, the Mongols are also part of chinese history (from chinese perspective). There are also minority Mongols nationals in China. I know you don't like Manchu Qing dynasty, partly b'cos Kangxi conquered outer Mongolia during the 17th century. But we have to remain more objective when analysing the history process.

[General_Zhaoyun]

Of course I don't dislike Qing. It was a dynasty that championed our interests and religion, related by blood to our own ruling class. Besides, somebody's liking or disliking of history is illogical and irrelevant. Why am I getting accused of nationalism anyway? Because I have different views or what? :huh:

Alright.. no hard feelings.. let's not carry this too overboard. Chono, my apology if my accusation is false (just some of your previous post towards Karakhan seemed to be rather nationalistic).. :P Take note all views are tolerated here..