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[DearCoolZ]

Koreans on average have narrower noses than the nothern Chinese I've seen. And Japanese guys can have real prominent noses. There are many Japanese with their prime minister's nose.

how many northern chinese have you seen? have you ever lived in northern china b4? is so, how long?

well,northern chinese can have real prominent nose too. like my friend from harbin






my cusin has a prominent nose as well




i'm a northern chinese and have a pretty tall nose

[ren]

I was born in Manchuria. None of those pics are of prominent noses cept for the first guy.

Your nose is standard north Asian, so quit saying how you are mixed with Arab/Central Asian/Persian.

[DearCoolZ]

I was born in Manchuria. None of those pics are of prominent noses cept for the first guy.

Your nose is standard north Asian, so quit saying how you are mixed with Arab/Central Asian/Persian.

hey wanna see what real prominent nose looks like?













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have you ever heard of nose job in japan?its quite popular and easy to use

i wonder why is this device invented, perhaps japanese nose are too prominent.....sure




Nasal needs

January 25th, 2005 by Lee
Whilst I was aware that eyelid alteration (from a single to a double) is the most common plastic surgery procedure for Asians, thanks to Popgadget I now also know that nasal bridge raising is second in the surgery stakes.

I must say though that it came as something of a surprise, as I always thought that the numerous comments I’ve had about my tall nose (yes, a nose isn’t big, it’s tall) were derogatory. Or at the very least my, ahem, noble nose was an unlimited source of mirth and merriment. And the fact that kids in kindergarten often refer to me as Pinocchio has only helped cement such feelings. Cheeky little bastards!

But enough of my nose related angst. Asians do want bigger noses, and if they didn’t, why would a Japanese professor have come up with a nasal bridge raiser? A gadget that supposedly produces a tall nose without the need for surgery.





The device has a polythene nose piece that vibrates at 7,000 Hz per minute, supposedly creating a gravitational force that excites the growth of the nasal bridge. And its promoters claim that wearing it everyday for 3 minutes or so will produce noticeable differences in just 2 or 3 weeks.

If you find this hard to believe, these thoroughly unconvincing before and after pictures probably won’t change your mind






For those of you also sporting prominent noses, I’m sorry to say that despite extensive and overly optimistic research, I’ve yet to find out if the device has a reverse switch



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Edited by DearCoolZ, 18 February 2006 - 11:33 PM.

[qrasy]

Many articles have made references to the huge amounts of common words between Chinese and Tai-Kadai. I also read a study in a peer-reviewed journal where the basic word for body parts and pronouns and other words were all pretty similar.

Where does the journal come from?

What words are you looking at? Give me a list.

Yakhontov's 35 word wordlist, on some early pages in this thread
Just search for a post which contains "stone" by qrasy and you'll find a whole list.

When I was comparing, many basic words stood out. In the case of Vietnamese, I took a look and the common words all can be explained as barrowing, while in Tai-Kadai, I couldn't.

How could you distinguish whether some are borrowing or not?
Is "*t-king" ("close") a borrowing from Chinese or not? "*laas" ("tongue")? "*r-ka" ("chicken")?

They sure don't look Chinese.

Yeah, by the way I wonder how some people who claim they could distinguish Korean and Japanese from Chinese failed for Vietnamese.

i'm a northern chinese and have a pretty tall nose

You're a Hui.

Edited by qrasy, 18 February 2006 - 11:49 PM.

[DearCoolZ]

Where does the journal come from?
Yakhontov's 35 word wordlist, on some early pages in this thread
Just search for a post which contains "stone" by qrasy and you'll find a whole list.
How could you distinguish whether some are borrowing or not?
Is "*t-king" ("close") a borrowing from Chinese or not? "*laas" ("tongue")? "*r-ka" ("chicken")?

Yeah, by the way I wonder how some people who claim they could distinguish Korean and Japanese from Chinese failed for Vietnamese.

You're a Hui.

so?im still a chinese. im only a 1/2 of hui and my familar have been living in northern china for thousands of years

Edited by DearCoolZ, 19 February 2006 - 12:08 AM.

[xng]

Please discuss racial features in this thread

http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=9353

Edited by xng, 19 February 2006 - 04:17 AM.

[ren]

hey wanna see what real prominent nose looks like?

http://www.jazzhot.b...eeWeePURPLE.jpg
http://www.houseofwa...ro-fidel-01.JPG

http://www.tldm.org/.../impostor1b.JPG

We're not talking about Westerners, are we?

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have you ever heard of nose job in japan?its quite popular and easy to use

The Japanese had the same nose in black-and-white photos.

Where does the journal come from?

It's a linguistics journal. I can't find it. When have I ever tricked you? I know you are too smart for that.

Yakhontov's 35 word wordlist, on some early pages in this thread
Just search for a post which contains "stone" by qrasy and you'll find a whole list.
How could you distinguish whether some are borrowing or not?

The words I'm talking about are basic words, like "rat", or "old", "near", "tongue", "chicken".. which are different from Sino-Viet vocabulary, which usually involves more technical words.

Is "*t-king" ("close") a borrowing from Chinese or not?

Sounds pretty close to me, but I'm no expert like you.

This is the proto-Zhuang-Tai reconstructed word for "near": krac / klac link
This is the reconstructed proto-Chinese word for "near": *krej ( g-, q-, G-; -s) link

Looks pretty similar to me.

Anyway, I was talking about Thai and Lao words compared to Cantonese and Mandarin, not a reconstruction of something compared to a reconstruction of something else. To be honest, I can't even see the connection between modern Chinese and the reconstructed proto-Chinese, and those reconstructions are hypothetical, not to mention that they vary and change over time, depending on the linguist and new languages considered, such as the new Nicobarese language added to a hypothetical Austric reconstruction, of which I actually I have the journal for.

"*laas" ("tongue")? "*r-ka" ("chicken")?

Again, it sounds pretty close.
Sino: *laj/lat, *gha

link, link

Yeah, by the way I wonder how some people who claim they could distinguish Korean and Japanese from Chinese failed for Vietnamese.

What are you refering to?

Edited by rudeboy, 19 February 2006 - 07:59 PM.

[ren]

I've seen a bunch of northwestern Chinese with very prominent noses. These guys are from Lanzhou.

http://www.brucedale...Lanzhou-man.jpg
http://home.versatel...B48 lanzhou.jpg

I do agree that Japanese tend to have higher bridged noses than the average north Chinese. But from my experience, Koreans have the flattest nose-bridges of the three.
Ok, back to linguistics now.

They just have regular north Asian noses to me. A prominent nose must atleast have a strong nasal root and base, like the Japanese prime minister: http://news.bbc.co.u...oizumi150ap.jpg

[qrasy]

The words I'm talking about are basic words, like "rat", or "old", "near", "tongue", "chicken".. which are different from Sino-Viet vocabulary, which usually involves more technical words.

Yes, we are going to deal basic words.
Another curious thing... is I found 7 similar nouns in Vietnamese and Japanese

This is the proto-Zhuang-Tai reconstructed word for "near": krac / klac
This is the reconstructed proto-Chinese word for "near": *krej ( g-, q-, G-; -s)
Looks pretty similar to me.
{skipped part}
To be honest, I can't even see the connection between modern Chinese and the reconstructed proto-Chinese

The words have changed meaning 幾 => 几 simplified
proto-Chinese 幾 *kǝj be near, close, imminent. The -r- thing is reconstructed in proto-Sino-Tibetan
近 *g_ǝrʔ -> clearly ignored the [apparent] loanword in proto-Viet-Muong. But I dare not say it's unacceptable.

Again, it sounds pretty close.
Sino: *laj/lat, *gha

those 2 reconsts (*laas, *r-ka) were actually for proto-Viet-Muong
the second one even is almost exactly the same as modern Vietnamese gà

What are you refering to?

Malaysians [like xng] and Indonesians fail to distinguish majority of Viets from Chinese But many of them claim they can distinguish Japanese and Korean from Chinese.

Edited by qrasy, 19 February 2006 - 10:52 PM.

[xng]

Malaysians [like xng] and Indonesians fail to distinguish majority of Viets from Chinese But many of them claim they can distinguish Japanese and Korean from Chinese.

So qrasy has joined the group of 'xng haters and bashers' ?

If you can distinguish the original vietnamese from southern chinese, then why is it you got the viet/chinese photos that I posted wrongly ? When did I say that japanese and korean can be distinguished easily from northern chinese ?

[qrasy]

So qrasy has joined the group of 'xng haters and bashers' ?

Sorry
Whom I referred to as "claiming to distinguish Japanese Korean and Chinese" were "many of them".

Can we stop this nonsense [picture commenting + bashing each other] and be more serious?

Edited by qrasy, 21 February 2006 - 10:38 AM.

[ren]

Hohw about the S. Y. Yakhontov's "35 most stable meanings": 'blood, bone, die, dog, ear, egg, eye, fire, fish, full, give, hand, horn, I, know, louse, moon, name, new, nose, one, salt, stone, sun, tail, this, thou(you), tongue, tooth, two, water, what, who, wind, year'?

Most stable words for who? A Russian?
In Chinese the word for "dog", "eye", "I", "know", "name", "one", "sun", "you", "two", "what" have all changed.

This the point I was making before, Eurocentrism. Most linguists are trained in a system of thought that works well with Indo-European, but might not with others: http://renpage.blogs...raditional.html

Anyway, I'll find these 35 words and put them up on Quetzalcoatl and update with a link.

[qrasy]

Most stable words for who? A Russian?

I guess it's "most stable in Indo-European languages"

In Chinese the word for "dog", "eye", "I", "know", "name", "one", "sun", "you", "two", "what" have all changed.

"Know" 知道, "name" 名字 still retains the root though (first character of it). "One" 一and "two" 二 have not switched root with other words, except an additional word for "two" (兩).
Words for "you" and "I" are still clearly cognate with the ancient words [sounds somehow similar but different, and represented by different character].
I think only "eye" and "dog" are completely separate thing with ancient words.

This the point I was making before, Eurocentrism. Most linguists are trained in a system of thought that works well with Indo-European, but might not with others

Well, even if it actually affects much, I still feel strange that I failed to see the connection [basing in word cognates] between Sino-Tibetan and Tai-Kadai (or even Chinese with Thai). It's "as far as" Sino-Tibetan and Austroasiatic.