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[nishishei]

Quick question..how do you pronounce "Yue"?

Is it Yoo or Yoo-eh?

In Mandarin it's yoo-eh, but vowels closer together.
In most southern dialects it's pronounced like yoot, yooit (like it in English), yooet (like et in French), nget, gniot, etc

Pronounced "etsu" (classical: etu) or "o" in Sino-Japanese.

[snowybeagle]

Quick question..how do you pronounce "Yue"?
Is it Yoo or Yoo-eh?

You know the word "Yeah" when you are in agreement?

Pronounce it like the first half "Yea", but with a downward ending instead of upward.

Or the first half of "Yeti", or "Yet" with a silent 't'.

[Gubook Janggoon]

Hehe thanks...

I don't know if you guys can read Hangul, but something like "예" right?

[nishishei]

Hehe thanks...

I don't know if you guys can read Hangul, but something like "예" right?

Not exactly. It's like German pronunciation of über, with a y, so like yüber, and replace the ber with 예. I don't think there is a Hangul equivalent.

[Gubook Janggoon]

Not exactly. It's like German pronunciation of über, with a y, so like yüber, and replace the ber with 예. I don't think there is a Hangul equivalent.

Ok..I think I get it...

I was saying 예 because Snowy was talking about the first syllable of the word "yeti"...

Thanks you two.

[nishishei]

Like2learn, the "Yue" no longer exist as a distinct people. There are some minorities in the PRC that may be descended from the Yue, though. To equate Vietnam with the Yue is like trying to equate China with the Qin.

hehe there is still Yueju 越剧 (Shaoxing/Zhejiang opera).

http://www.yueju.net (site for 上海越剧 Shanghai Yueju)

Of course, it is not based on the old Yue Kingdom language, but instead is in Wu.

[General_Zhaoyun]

That means they were once existed.  That's good enough.  What about the Hans?  They continue to exist right, genetically, culturally, or what?  What determines you to be a Han?

It's very simple to determine if you're han-chinese. Firstly, it's your language and your family name. If you're using han-language at home and your name is han-name, then you're a han-chinese.

[snowybeagle]

Oh great, now I change my family name to English name, writing and learning English, then I can be an English man.  Let me ask my American friend and hear what they say if they recognize me as the same race as him.  Thanks for you opinion

I hope it's not sarcasm because General ZhaoYun don't deserve it.

But as far as defining whether you're Han Chinese or English or American, do you really think it should be decided by other people for you?

There's more to what GZ said, do you want to continue discussing who/what determines whether a person is Han Chinese?

[General_Zhaoyun]

Oh great, now I change my family name to English name, writing and learning English, then I can be an English man.  Let me ask my American friend and hear what they say if they recognize me as the same race as him.  Thanks for you opinion

I consider that analogy very poor. American is a nationality, not a race or ethnicity. Thus American has many races within a nation. There are certainly many english americans, chinese americans, black americans etc. Sorry for not being very clear, I'm not saying if your name is chinese, then you're a chinese. What I'm saying is your SURNAME (FAMILY NAME).

Now, one way of tracing your ancestry history is to find out the history of your surname (family name), where it comes from.

For instance, my surname (family name) is Zhuo 卓. This surname has its origin from Fujian Nanan region, and thus I'm a hokkien (Fujian) chinese. My ancestors migrated to Taiwan 5 generations ago.

The root of the han-chinese can sometimes be well-determined. Some chinese family keeps a log- book called Jiapu (家谱) which detailed the family history in each different generations, who they marry with etc.

Of course, there are people who go for DNA test today to trace their ancestry.

Edited by General_Zhaoyun, 22 April 2005 - 10:18 AM.

[Alexandra]

The root of the han-chinese can sometimes be well-determined. Some chinese family keeps a log- book called Jiapu (家谱) which detailed the family history in each different generations, who they marry with etc.

Of course, there are people who go for DNA test today to trace their ancestry.

My husband's name is Chan Chung Sing, his parents came from Hap Sing Fong in Jiangmen. What type of Chinese would that be can anyone tell me please?

[wuTao]

The root of the han-chinese can sometimes be well-determined. Some chinese family keeps a log- book called Jiapu (家谱) which detailed the family history in each different generations, who they marry with etc.

Yes, my family does this. We have records with the names and deeds of all our (male) ancestors. I've always thought this was common practice... but how widespread is this tradition anyway? Is it only in certain parts of China that this practice exists? Also, is it just my family, or do all Chinese families who keep a Jiapu record only male names?

[Gubook Janggoon]

Yes, my family does this. We have records with the names and deeds of all our (male) ancestors. I've always thought this was common practice... but how widespread is this tradition anyway? Is it only in certain parts of China that this practice exists? Also, is it just my family, or do all Chinese families who keep a Jiapu record only male names?

My family does it too. XD

[Karakhan]

It's very simple to determine if you're han-chinese. Firstly, it's your language and your family name. If you're using han-language at home and your name is han-name, then you're a han-chinese.

in most cases.. but I think in some cases it may be difficult. The Hui for example speak a han language (cantonese, mandarin, etc depending where they are from), and use han names. the Manchu too.. although.. many here would consider both of them Han by now, with the former simply being Han Muslims (a view which I also share)