33 replies to this topic

[phoenix_bladen]

i'm always wondering was manchukuo a revival of the qing dynasty or viewed as a separate totally different entity? How was the state like ? And was it just a dervied of chinese traditional customs with the japanese behind them as the main rulers?

[jiangji]

It was just a excuse used by Japan to rules China. Qing dynasty fall in 1911 and I don't think most historian consider manchukuo as Qing dynasty.

Edited by jiangji, 26 January 2006 - 10:51 PM.

[lobster]

It's an extension of the Japanese Empire.

[General_Zhaoyun]

Manchukuo is just a puppet state established by the Japanese to rule Manchuria, when Japan conquered and coccupied Manchuria from 1933 onwards. Although the emperor is Puyi, he was actually held as a puppet emperor listening to Japan. In no way was it considered an extension of Qing dynasty.

[yehzhaofeng]

Japanese was required in manchukuo, etc.

[Abahai]

Yup, I totally agreed that it should not be viewed as extension of Qing. BTW, PuYi did not use Qing as the name of this puppet state, he only called it "ManZhou Guo".

[astralis]

the japanese wanted chinese to make the connection, yes; that is why puyi was called the EMPEROR of manchukuo.

however, no one in their right mind mistook it for the qing.

[Borjigin Ayurbarwada]

The majority of the population of ManZhouGuo is of Han ethnic stock, almost no one, even Manchus(except the wild tribes and some royal stock) spoke Manchu. Mandarin was the national language.

[Hoa Phau]

Manchuria is a japanese protectorate ruled by a qing puppet. The dynasty might consider or reconsider as qing, but The japanese lords prefer Pu'yi as Kangde.

[Abahai]

There is 2 reign title used by Puyi during his "puppet" year in ManZhouGuo, one is DaTong(大同） and KangDe (康德).

[hamtaro]

And that could be the reason on why Pu Yi was nt allowed to wear the Qing dragon robes on his ascession ceremony, as the Japanese recognized him only as the 'emperor' of manchukuo, nt of the Qing.

[Jurchen Fuca]

Manchu Guo, sadly to say and like everyone above had state that it was truly a puppet-state. I think Pu-Yi really had thought that was the chance for he to bring the Manchurian back to its early ruling stage, or simply because he took the offer as a gamble. We must be aware that just about the time when Pu-Yi was put on the throne the Qing dynasty had already lost 95%+ of the political power. He was just a person who lived like a king withint the Forbbiden City. And I don't think Manchu Guo was not an exntension of Qing dynasty because of several reasons.

1> Pu-Yi himself had abolished the traditional Dah-Qing-Di-Guo's customes.
2> Manchuguo was created in Manchuria and the offcial building where Pu-Yi stayed was no longer in the Forbbiden City.
3> Since 1912 the KMT and other political parties were more active in every way than the post-Qing-Manchurians.

I feel sad for Pu-Yi because Manchu Guo was only a a dream, a dream that reflects what he thought he was supposed to do.

[caocao74]

Quite, it would seem that Pu-Yi had no other way to find even limited power so took a gamble on 'his' state within the Japanese Empire, but soon found out that he could decide upon nothing for 'his' state's direction.