Geographically, Sulu is an isolated island whether they had large trading or not. Your argument is very weak as you argue that Sulu island which located so far away is more easily reachable than taiwan which just 95 miles from mainland.
Sorry, But I am going to be blunt. I know you want to win this argument. But you should AT LEAST do some research. I am taking your deliberate ignorance as an form of insult, because I am seriously trying to find as many sources for you as possible.
It's one thing to insist Taiwan is CLOSE to China, therefore Zheng must have reached Taiwan. Quite another to say "Sulu is an isolated place" and insist upon it. I have pointed out it was a Islam state, which means the Arabians reached there through marine time trading.
I am not ARGUEING that Sulu is easier to reach. I am TELLING you it is easier to reach. As documents had shown Chinese traders visiting for hundreds of years before Zheng ever arrived at Sulu.
Below is a passage describing Sulu:
Sulu became a famous Souteast Asian international port due to its excellent location. The commercial trading between the people of China and Sulu were very frequent, therefore it is not suprising to discover Ming artifacts in Sulu, those might not be artifact brought by Zheng He's fleet.
In fact, the second Sutan of Sulu visited Ming court and died in China. His children that accompanied him to China stayed and still live in Shandong province till today.
Sulug is a Austronesian word meaning waves. It is a chain of 400 islands. It hold important position between China, Arabia, Mindanaoan, Visayas and Borneo. In perfect location to be a hub of commerce.
The earliest occurance of Sulu in Chinese record is 大得南海標誌 written in 1304. Zheng's first voyage was 1405, which means the Chinese known on Sulu for at least 100 years. The book 島夷標誌略 written in 1349 described details of Sulu way of making salt, wine, cloth, collection of pearls and trading.
There are talks of Sulu and Chinese commerce started in the 7th century. But I can not identify the first hand sources.
So, tell me again, WHAT MADE YOU INSIST SULU IS AN ISOLATED PLACE?
Don't you think it is absurd that Ming dynasty does not discover taiwan which is one of the nearest island to China ? They know of the existence much smaller islands Ryuku islands which located so far away but doesn't know there is a much bigger island which is much closer to them.
what is absurb is you not bothering to look up sources even once.
How does this is relevant to our discussion? I am not surprise at all because Japan and taiwan are totally different situation. As far as I can know, it was japan that found china first.
Zheng He doesn't need magic or superior mind to locate the island. As I already said many times, it is 95 miles from mainland. It doesn't make any sense when Ming had huge knowledege of its surrounding area even small island like Ryuku but doesn't know the existence of Big island taiwan just located nearby(below Ryuku island).
It is hard to sail to Taiwan due to the two opposite currents. It's that simple. There is a reason why Chinese couldn't identify the island for so long. If the Chinese had came from the south or the norht, it would have been much easier to locate Taiwan.
Edited by naruwan, 11 February 2006 - 05:59 AM.
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