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#1 华夏帝国

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 11:45 AM

China Found a Qing Dynasty Female Mummy

According to Chongqing Morning News, an ancient tomb was unearthed on a construction site on the hillside near Wenfeng Tower on South Hill of Huangjueya Town in Chongqing Nan'an District.

The female corpse in the tomb is dressed in costumes of the Qing Dynasty (1616-1911 AD) and well-preserved without any signs of rottenness. In addition, the corpse has a peach-and-cream complexion and resilient skin. Based on initial archeological identification by the local cultural relic administration department, this ancient tomb dates back to 100 years ago.

When dredging the hillside with an excavator, the worker accidentally discovered an intact coffin with a female corpse of poised appearance inside. The worker touched the corpse's face with a branch and found her skin resilient.

After mortuary objects were cleared up, half of the female corpse was buried with earth. When two corpse carriers dragged the body out by her arms, the body remained unchanged in shape and her tiny three-inch feet were pulled out from earth. One of the corpse carriers seized the corpse by her arms while the other took her by the feet and put her into a plastic bag. The ancient corpse seemed to be quite soft.

When the corpse carrying car arrived on the afternoon of Feb. 28th, the female corpse's complexion had turned wax yellow after over 10 hours of oxidation but still remained unrotten.

(Chinanews.cn March 3, 2006)
http://www.china.org...ology/93066.htm

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 12:01 PM

Please post the URL of the source.. otherwise I'll have to count that as plagiarism.
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Posted 04 March 2006 - 08:49 PM

Please post the URL of the source.. otherwise I'll have to count that as plagiarism.


dont be silly, moderator. this is in no way called plagiarism, each post has its source at the end quoting the date and the news agency. and mind, these news are very interesting and i am almost out of breath posting all 10 at one shot, for the reader's reading enjoyment.

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Posted 04 March 2006 - 10:26 PM

Don't mouth off to GZ, mate.

He's administrator, for your information...THE Administrator. He deserves much more respect than that.

That said, with citations already in the article, I really think that adding a URL should only be optional. But it's your call, GZ.
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 04:34 PM

Perhaps a link to the webpage with all of the articles on it would be better than so many seperate 1 post threads per title, and maybe a few good threads on the page identified in one post (highlights).
I doubt there will be much added to the 10 different threads since they are not discussions or questions.
Such newspaper accounts create more questions than they answer in many cases and there is likely to be no fresh information.....at worst many of the 'peoplesdaily' articles are close to misleading when trumpeting a new find.

Re; 'mummy'. The body is around 100 years old, and the clothing is preserved suggesting the tomb enviroment preserved the body and why the decay begins once the chamber is opened to the air.
The removal of the body and the treatment sounds crude, & amateur to the point of disbelief. 'Half burying' it and then 'corpse carriers' dragging it out by the arms. No wonder after several hours the body turns waxy & yellow. Decay is beginning...it is just like leaving a piece of steak from a fridge in the sun. Pretty soon the 'mummy' will be a mess.
Disgraceful ignorance & mismanagment really.

PS; modern chemical embalming of the kind practiced in the West today began in the 1860's (american civil war) so the preservation may also be due in part to its dating in the early 20th century...however the lack of details or comment by experts over Qing funerary practice or the tomb enviroment means this article does not answer the most obvious questions.
The label as a mummy is deceptive since it is a preserved corpse, and judging by the onset of decay so quickly, probably an accidental (and short lived) one at that.

Wish they had a few pictures, taken when the first people were first poking and prodding the soft 'peach & cream' skin.
I suspect by now the body will be black and reeking, and eventually falling to pieces like meat stewed in a pot for 24 hours.
mmmm. Tender.
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 08:49 PM

What an unappetizing post, Kenneth, especially the last part. I want to puke and laugh after reading it, but I'm afraid I'll do both, to very unpleasant results. :lol:

So there's no embalming process like Egyptian mummies? What kept it so fresh, only to have it decay after exposure?
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Posted 05 March 2006 - 10:30 PM

Wish they had a few pictures, taken when the first people were first poking and prodding the soft 'peach & cream' skin.
I suspect by now the body will be black and reeking, and eventually falling to pieces like meat stewed in a pot for 24 hours.
mmmm. Tender.


hahaha, i'm with yang zongbao on this one....without the puking.

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Posted 06 March 2006 - 08:28 PM

What an unappetizing post, Kenneth, especially the last part. I want to puke and laugh after reading it, but I'm afraid I'll do both, to very unpleasant results. :lol:

So there's no embalming process like Egyptian mummies? What kept it so fresh, only to have it decay after exposure?

The preserved corpse of the Marquis of Xi (West Han) was due to the sealed enviroment of the tomb....pure chance. There is no reason to assume that the people burying her even knew the Han Marquis would not decay. The husband and son buried beside were only scraps of bone but in rare circumstances a seal enviroment, deep burial allows sealing in and constant temperature and humidity so that only the onset of decay occurs...bacteria largely break down the body so in enviroments of extreme dry, cold or without oxegen then bodies survive.
This Ming woman will be the same, although more recent. The Han Marquis' tomb had meat on plate and even pears on the plates only a bit withered....yet people dont claim the fruit was 'mummified'. Neither was the Marquis. There are claims that some secret medicine did this preservation yet it is know the Han did not mummify since they believed jade was what prevents decay (erroneously).
In the same way the MIng womans clothes were preserved, and likely organic wooden and textiles in the tomb also. Just like many preserved items once the tomb is opened the decay that was postponed begins.
Only if the body is quickly sealed away in a controlled enviroment can dacy be halted...it isnt therefore in my understanding a mummy at all. The Xinjiang mummies are true mummies, yet such preserved corpses in China proper are only due to tomb conditions....and reversible sadly.

I do not believe or assume this woman was embalmed at all. I dount the Chinese would go for the treatment at the time (and they probably dont now either at a geuss)....yet by the 1860's extracting of blood and embalming in a more modern sense occured during the civil war to allow bodies to be bought home. Of course all sorts of treatments occured through history. I dont believe this body was embalmed but I just mention it becuase at this time such practices had started to become more common in the US and later Britian.

Dr. Charles Brown was called to the White House to embalm Lincoln's body. The preservation of Lincoln's corpse promoted this new commercial process, revolutionizing American funeral practices.

Embalming was an exotic procedure in the mid-nineteenth century, primarily known as an ancient Egyptian custom. American doctors began embalming casualties on Civil War battlefields for shipment to distant family burial grounds, using a technique patented by Dr. Brown. The Chicago Tribune reported in amazement that "the Doctor claims to be able absolutely to arrest the process of dissolution."


http://www.chicagohs...rn/remains5.htm
If we dug up a few graves from 100 years ago in modern times we might find many preserved corpses.
Kind of pointless I think...might as well feed some worms and be useful after all.
If I am not mistaken old Abe Lincoln did a tour of the country as a corpse....but I digress...the Ming woman is likely a chance preservation and perhaps a wasted chance at that.
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