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Posted 14 June 2006 - 06:56 AM

Below contains the pictures of chinese siege warfare..

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Trebuchet in the Siege of Xiangyang (Mongol Yuan against Southern Song)
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 07:01 AM

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Chuangzi Nu 床子弩 (Giant Crossbow)

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 07:06 AM

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Siege using Cloud-Ladder (云梯)

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Siege using "God-fire Flying Crow 神火飞鸦" (a type of rocket), which can fly for 300m.
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 07:13 AM

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Ming Siege Cannon on the Great Wall of China

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Siege Warfare

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Siege Ladder (Cloud Ladder 云梯)
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Digging Tunnel underground - firing poisonous gases and bombs underground to choke enemy invaders
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 12:48 PM

Dude, these illustrations are incredible. Where did you find these?
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 09:01 PM

From the Ospery series on Catapults of the Far East Books 1 and 2
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 09:04 PM

Yes, it's from osprey series.. I've downloaded these pictures from Tiexue forum.
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:40 PM

Below contains the pictures of chinese siege warfare..

Trebuchet in the Siege of Xiangyang (Mongol Yuan against Southern Song)

I do question whether the trebuchet, at the siege of Xiangyang and Fan ch'eng, had such a bucket or even if looks like the Osprey picture.

The two siege engineers who designed or built the trebuchets were from the Arabic/Muslim/Il-Khan regions. If you take a look at the depictions of trebuchets in the Il-Khan wars you will notice they look quite different. My speculation is the trebuchets at the above listed cities looked more like the ones you seen depicted with the Il-Khans.

I'm not sure where Osprey came up with the design for their depiction. If anyone know's I'm all ears.

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Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:44 PM

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Below contains the pictures of chinese siege warfare..

Trebuchet in the Siege of Xiangyang (Mongol Yuan against Southern Song)

I do question whether the trebuchet, at the siege of Xiangyang and Fan ch'eng, had such a bucket or even if looks like the Osprey picture.

The two siege engineers who designed or built the trebuchets were from the Arabic/Muslim/Il-Khan regions. If you take a look at the depictions of trebuchets in the Il-Khan wars you will notice they look quite different. My speculation is the trebuchets at the above listed cities looked more like the ones you seen depicted with the Il-Khans.

I'm not sure where Osprey came up with the design for their depiction. If anyone know's I'm all ears.

Cheers

chris

Yeah, I've also long wondered where osprey got it's illustration from. Islamic catapults of the time more likely than not used sling-bags full of rocks as counterweights, like the illustration in the book for Saladin.

I don't think anyone really knows, at least no one I've asked knows.

I've a few more questions which I've yet to get answers for. The counterweighted hudunpao that you see in PRC books and scale model from the Beijing Military Museum. Where did they get the design from? I haven't come across a single illustration or description in primary sources yet. Then there's the "winch-on-the-rear-upright" sangong chuangzi nu. Where is this design from? All illustrations I've seen put the winch on the horizontal beams.
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:48 PM

most of these were set during the song dynasty....
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:49 PM

HaSY, what happened to your catapult you were building?
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 10:57 PM

thank you for reminding me...lol..i think i forgot them after my National Service...
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Posted 14 June 2006 - 11:01 PM

How do you build a catapult? A speciality shop I could go to for help?
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How do you build a catapult? A speciality shop I could go to for help?


Refer to Liang Jieming's guide on building catapult at
http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=5206
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