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Xi Shi and Chen Yuan Yuan both at brought down a kingdom. Xi Shi had helped in the destruction of the king of Wu, Fu Chai. In the case of Chen Yuan Yuan, she was in a way responsible for Wu Sangui's defection to the Manchus and thus ended the Ming dynasty.
The two ladies were victims of times, however, where Xi Shi is still being respected today, Chen Yuan Yuan seemed to fare much worst. Why is this so?
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Xi Shi vs Chen Yuan Yuan
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Posted 24 July 2006 - 10:25 PM
I don't think Chen Yuanyuan was portrayed more negatively, only that her fate was sadder, for Xi Shi accomplished her primary goal, while Chen ...
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Posted 25 July 2006 - 01:34 AM
Talking about Xi Shi, does anyone know where her story originates from? Sima Qian does not tell about her, and I don't think she is mentioned in the Zuozhuan or Guoyu (but I might be wrong about the two last).
The first mention of this story could be in the Wuyue Chunqiu (?), which is a much later (Eastern Han) work.
In this case, a big difference is that Xi Shi is probably not a historical person, but a later embellishment of the story of Goujian and Fuchai, based upon the model of the many "women who ruined a kingdom" (starting with Bao Si in the Western Zhou), whereas Chen Yuanyuan did exist...
Does anyone know more about this?
Francois
The first mention of this story could be in the Wuyue Chunqiu (?), which is a much later (Eastern Han) work.
In this case, a big difference is that Xi Shi is probably not a historical person, but a later embellishment of the story of Goujian and Fuchai, based upon the model of the many "women who ruined a kingdom" (starting with Bao Si in the Western Zhou), whereas Chen Yuanyuan did exist...
Does anyone know more about this?
Francois
This post has been edited by fcharton: 25 July 2006 - 01:35 AM
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