[General_Zhaoyun]

Does anyone know the exact population of overseas chinese?

What I mean are those living outside China around the world, who have their ancestry origin or roots from China (including Taiwan, Hong Kong).

I heard it was estimated to be about 30 millions (but I could be wrong). Can someone verify this?

Well.. in south-east asia:

Singapore: 3.2 million (est. 80% of 4 million)
Malaysia: 4 million (est. 28% of 12 million)
Indonesia: 15 million (est. 10% of 150 million)
..no idea about thailand and philippine .but there are also many chinese.

What about in America? The chinese are all over the world.

[Tyler]

You mostly find Chinese in America in Calli and in the far west.

[Liang Jieming]

Liu Ce, on Nov 5 2004, 03:14 AM, said:

You mostly find Chinese in America in Calli and in the far west.

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Total about 55 million total.

Jieming

[Tyler]

Thats a good percentage. I wish many would move further west so more china towns open up on the western coasts. Sure we have some but not enough.

[ignorant_fool]

General_Zhaoyun, on Nov 4 2004, 11:05 PM, said:

Does anyone know the exact population of overseas chinese?
.....
Singapore: 3.2 million (est. 80% of 4 million)
Malaysia: 4 million (est. 28% of 12 million)
Indonesia: 15 million (est. 10% of 150 million)
.....

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Indonesia population is around 220 million now. Few years back an article says indonesian chinese is around 5%. Another article I read this year says indonesian chinese is the third largest race in Indonesia. First is javanese, second (cant remember) think is bugis.

"Does anyone know the exact population of overseas chinese? "
Does this includes half-chinese, quarter chinese, of chinese accestry, etc? Malaysian Prime minister Abdullah Bedawi or "Pak Lah" (dun know if correct spelling) grandfather is chinese. Ex-Indonesian President Soeharto has chinese blood. There is a phillipine president that has chinese blood, i think but cant remember which one, think related to Aquino. Singapore= Mr Lee Kuan Yew, Goh Chok Tong and Lee Hsien Long. I think Thailand's PM Thanksin also has chinese blood, not sure.

Interested to start a thread about world leaders or leaders with chinese accestry? Anyone? I will start "Hu Jin Tao" (Just kidding). I mean leaders of non-chinese country ie. not china, taiwan.

[Tyler]

America leaders (president) cannot be chinese becuase you must have an American heratige to become president.

[ignorant_fool]

Liu Ce, on Nov 8 2004, 09:46 PM, said:

America leaders (president) cannot be chinese becuase you must have an American heratige to become president.

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Just wondering, (not trying to offend, dun want misunderstanding), I dun understand "American heritage". Does it mean African-american, Latin-american, Asian-american, etc, cannot be president?
Since the original inhabitants of america are the Native Indian, does the american heritage refers to them? Or the american heritage refers to the colonist that came?

[Tyler]

You also have to have been born in America, but sadly I don't even know myself what american heratige is.

[Gubook Janggoon]

"America leaders (president) cannot be chinese becuase you must have an American heratige to become president."

ummm...I believe you're mistaken Liu Ce. You simply have to be born in the country. Now on the other hand people have to vote for you and what far right extremist Christian redneck is gonna vote for a "chinaman"?

[MengTzu]

Hey Liu Ce,

The last thing we need is more China-towns =). China-towns are the remnant of past ethnic marginalization: the only reason there were ethnic towns were that ethnicities weren't welcomed to the mainstream.

What we have now, instead, are "ethnic suburban areas," if you will. That, I think, we do in fact need. It's important to that Chinese Americans mingle with other ethnicities, but as Martin Luther King Jr. said, "I want integration, but not integration out of power." These new Chinese American suburban areas become a sort of spring board into American society.

The draw back is that Chinese American kids can get stuck in these areas and fail to see the bigger picture of American life. I guess these kids just have to learn to go beyond their roots (especially when they enter universities and work.)

Peace,

Michael

11-21-2004

[Liang Jieming]

General_Zhaoyun, on Nov 4 2004, 11:05 PM, said:

Malaysia: 4 million (est. 28% of 12 million)
Indonesia: 15 million (est. 10% of 150 million)
..no idea about thailand and philippine .but there are also many chinese.

Actually, there are about 8 million chinese in Malaysia out of a population of 22 million, about 34% of the population. It used to be 40+% of the population in the 1940s-60s but has dwindled due to lower birthrates than the other races.

Jieming

[xiangyu]

In Canada, for instance, there are many of the Chinese community of close to 1 million coming from counties on the west bank of the Pearl River Delta (the so-called "4 Counties" of Taishan, Kaiping, Enping and Xinhui).

http://www.newsgd.co...00305140242.htm

[snowybeagle]

MengTzu, on Nov 21 2004, 05:51 PM, said:

The last thing we need is more China-towns =).  China-towns are the remnant of past ethnic marginalization: the only reason there were ethnic towns were that ethnicities weren't welcomed to the mainstream.

Perhaps I don't quite follow the context of your discussion.

But I think there's a relevance to Chinatowns even today besides being tourist traps and refuge for the marginalised migrants.

Unwelcomed to the mainstream was only part of the reason for creation of ethnic enclaves. Most migrants from the past to the present were economically disadvantaged in the first place which was why they left their homelands and went to other countries such as the US.

The ethnic suburban enclaves you mentioned is a fairly recent phenomena, one of its major driving factor was the exodus of HK wealthy or professionals prior to 1997. This was followed by IT professionals and engineers from Singapore, Malaysia etc., many of ethnic Chinese origins. These people are hardly unwelcomed in the mainstream.

But both groups of migrants still flock to traditional Chinatowns. For the latter, it was a good place to purchase some native products or assuage homesickness. For the former, it provided contacts to help ease their painful process of assimilation. Even second or third generation descendants who successfully integrated into the mainstream and moved out of the ethnic enclaves oft found themselves returning for visits and purchases.

But ethnic enclaves is more than just a shopping area for ethnic products.

It also serves as a locality where traditions could be continued for those who wish to retain part of their ethnic heritage.

Perhaps I have been influenced by how Chinatown in Singapore has evolved into more than a traditional ethnic enclave but retain its own heritage at the same time.

This post has been edited by snowybeagle: 31 December 2004 - 12:00 PM

[Sip Pat Ti Nyuk Liung]

During the 1998 riot in Indonesia, i read Indonesian newspaper which stated clearly that Chinese populations in Indonesia was only around 3% of Indonesian populations which was around 200 millions during that time so that means there are only around 6 millions of Chinese living in Indonesia.

[hansioux]

Sip Pat Ti Nyuk Liung, on Jan 7 2005, 10:30 AM, said:

During the 1998 riot in Indonesia, i read Indonesian newspaper which stated clearly that Chinese populations in Indonesia was only around 3% of Indonesian populations which was around 200 millions during that time so that means there are only around 6 millions of Chinese living in Indonesia.

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Don't for get the over sea Chinese in Taiwan.

Counting Hanized Ping-Pu (Flatland) aboriginals, The total is aounrd 22,339,838.

Not counting Hanized Ping-Pu aboriginals, the total is around 9,040,000

Total population counting other aboriginals and new immigrants is around 22,800,000