Does anybody have any image of him?
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BiŽan, the dragon son that take cares for the jail
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Posted 17 July 2007 - 11:47 AM
Does anybody have any image of him?
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http://www.orienttou...ext2.php?pID=50
In this image he kinda reminds me of those flying tiger rugs:
http://www.dharma.ne.../rug-z-flyt.jpg
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Posted 26 July 2007 - 05:16 PM
Does anybody have any image of him?
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http://www.orienttou...ext2.php?pID=50
As I am in the process of trying to decipher which of the many sons listed are the true nine sons , which are secondary names, and which are just other dragons .
I have files one each one of the more then 9 sons .
As of now I still only have that one picture of BIAN even after trying pictures of old jails and government buildings, I have not seen one actual example of BIAN watching over a building. Not even the real building that the line drawing was taken off of.
I have many different pictures of tigers, but I'm not sure that I would call the tiger rug as being BIAN.
Patty, just wondering, Why do you think that this tiger rug in particular would be BIAN?
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 01:45 PM
As I am in the process of trying to decipher which of the many sons listed are the true nine sons , which are secondary names, and which are just other dragons .
I would LOVE to see what you've collected. Would you mind sharing? (I'll offer chocolate as a bribe.) And before you protest, I know it's a WIP but perhaps we can help. It sounds like a great exercise.
I have many different pictures of tigers, but I'm not sure that I would call the tiger rug as being BIAN.
Pattie, just wondering, Why do you think that this tiger rug in particular would be BIAN?
I didn't. I thought one was reminiscent of the other, is all. The one picture (the same line drawing you found) reminded me of those tiger rugs. I was simply pointing out what was, IMO, a similarity.
I would LOVE to see what you've collected. Would you mind sharing? (I'll offer chocolate as a bribe.) And before you protest, I know it's a WIP but perhaps we can help. It sounds like a great exercise.
I have many different pictures of tigers, but I'm not sure that I would call the tiger rug as being BIAN.
Pattie, just wondering, Why do you think that this tiger rug in particular would be BIAN?
I didn't. I thought one was reminiscent of the other, is all. The one picture (the same line drawing you found) reminded me of those tiger rugs. I was simply pointing out what was, IMO, a similarity.
Cheers,
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Posted 27 July 2007 - 02:20 PM
As I am in the process of trying to decipher which of the many sons listed are the true nine sons , which are secondary names, and which are just other dragons .
This is from Chinese Dragons by Roy Bates, p 43: Several ancient publications list the characteristics of the nine sons, but unhappily they differ. There are also several lists devised more recently and those differ again. It is clear that the Chinese have not come to any agreement as to who the sons are.
Perhaps you shouldn't drive yourself too insane, Kaiselin, with this task. Mind you, I'm not saying stop and I certainly still wanna see what you have, but just keep it in the back of your mind that there is going to be no real answer.
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This is from Chinese Dragons by Roy Bates, p 43: Several ancient publications list the characteristics of the nine sons, but unhappily they differ. There are also several lists devised more recently and those differ again. It is clear that the Chinese have not come to any agreement as to who the sons are.
Sadly, in more than twenty years of research I (Roy Bates) have never found one genuine example of a Bi An. There are a few sketches, but there is no indication of who drew these sketches or by what authority.
Similarly with the Ya Zi, the son of the dragon that is supposed to be found on swords and knives. Again, I have found not one single example.
There is an interesting "monster" on a genuine Ming sword on display at The Royal Armouries Museum, in Leeds, England. It looks somewhat similar to the drawing of the Bi An given in http://www.orienttou...ext2.php?pID=50. However, it has human hands and I am quite certain it is not a Bi An or a Ya Zi. The sword, incidentally, was made for presentation to Tibet by the Ming emperor, Yongle. It was never intended to be a sword for fighting.
The Monster on the sword is undoubtedly a kirtimukha ('glory face'). It is surmounted by a silvered crescent and golden disc. This monster mask is known in Tibetan as chibar ('that which resembles nothing'), or shi-dong ('face of splendour'). The kirtimukha is generally considered symbolic of the destructive power of Shiva Mahabhairav (very wrathful) -- destroyer of demons, so it is not surprising to see a kirtimukha on a sword to be presented to Tibtans. It is seen by Hindus as symbolic of the glory of divine power which generates creation but is also the source of destruction.
Indians tell of the tale of the creation of the kirtimukha. It goes like this: Once, infuriated by a yakshas insolence, Shiva created an ogre to eat him alive (Yakshas are semi-divine beings, half god and half demon. They live under the earth in the Himalayas where they guard the wealth of the earth such as(gems, gold, silver, etc.). The yaksha begged for mercy and Shiva, whose temper falls faster than it rises, let him go. "But what about me?", asked the ogre who had just been created. "I was created to eat the yaksha. What will I eat now? I am still hungry". "Eat yourself", said Shiva casually. The ogre took Shivas word seriously and began eating himself. He ate his hands, his legs his trunk, he ate every part of his body and was left with only his head.
Shiva was amazed at the ogres obedience. He said, "Im pleased with you. Henceforth, you will be known as Kirtimukha, face-of-glory. Your face will be seen on every arch, located even above the gods."
So it is, that on every arch, in every temple and shrine, on the arches one finds the terrible yet blessed face of Shivas gana, Kirtimukha.
But I am still hoping one day to find a Ya Zi on a sword and a Bi An on a building.
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