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#136 yehzhaofeng

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Posted 20 October 2005 - 04:10 PM

Moping4U, on Jan 18 2005, 11:39 PM, said:

Can someone tell me the details of Ming Dynasty involvement in the Imjin War in Korea? The armies, generals, tactics, weapons, battles, casualties? Anything.

Hello all....

I have recently edited the wikipedia for the "Battle of Myeongnyang" where Admiral Yi's 13 ships defeated hundreds of Japanese ships in 1597. The link is below, enjoy!

http://en.wikipedia...._of_Myeongnyang

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Posted 16 November 2005 - 07:26 PM

Could someone give me information on the battle of Chiksan?

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Posted 01 December 2005 - 08:10 PM

Anyone own either of these two books? If so, are they any good?

http://hanbooks.com/imwajasiinof.html
http://ieas.berkeley...ions/krm28.html

Thanks in advance.

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Posted 02 December 2005 - 02:20 AM

Conan the destroyer, on Dec 2 2005, 01:10 AM, said:

Anyone own either of these two books? If so, are they any good?

http://hanbooks.com/imwajasiinof.html
http://ieas.berkeley...ions/krm28.html

Thanks in advance.

I'm thinking of buying the 2nd book, but the price of the first book is ridiculous. That is why people rather watch movies than reading books.

#141 Thomas Chen

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Posted 04 December 2005 - 09:54 PM

Conan the destroyer, on Dec 2 2005, 01:10 AM, said:

Anyone own either of these two books? If so, are they any good?

http://hanbooks.com/imwajasiinof.html
http://ieas.berkeley...ions/krm28.html

Thanks in advance.

I have the second book... It is GOOD !!!

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 10:42 AM

Thanks thomas,

What level of detail can I expect from "the book of corrections"?

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Posted 08 December 2005 - 09:40 PM

Conan the destroyer, on Dec 8 2005, 03:42 PM, said:

Thanks thomas,

What level of detail can I expect from "the book of corrections"?

The author is a high ranking official, who captures much info in detailed 1st hand accounts... This is an indispensable book to study with regards to the Imjin War...

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#144 WangKon936

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 04:49 PM

Conan the destroyer, on Dec 1 2005, 08:10 PM, said:

Anyone own either of these two books? If so, are they any good?

http://hanbooks.com/imwajasiinof.html
http://ieas.berkeley...ions/krm28.html

Thanks in advance.

Yo Conan....

I own both books. I paid $77 for The Imjin War. $40 for the book and $37 for international shipping & handling. It's 650 pages long, very detailed and liberally uses Korean, Japanese AND Chinese sources. But you won't like it because it doesn't say very nice things about the Ming military and infrastructure.

I'm about a third done. Once I'm finished reading it I'll write a full review in CHF.

#145 WangKon936

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 04:59 PM

Conan the destroyer, on Nov 16 2005, 07:26 PM, said:

Could someone give me information on the battle of Chiksan?

Turnbull has about three paragraphs on the battle in Samurai Invasions.

Basically it was a tactical draw between Korean, Chinese and Japanese troops, but it caused a strategic withdraw by the Koreans and Chinese and opened the way for the Japanese attack on Seoul. This attack on Seoul never happened because Admiral Yi forced Japanese seaborne reinforcements to retreat in the Battle of Myeongnyang.

Darn.... some nationalist changed my Myeongnyang Wiki entry...... :yucky:

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 05:04 PM

WangKon936, on Dec 15 2005, 09:59 PM, said:

I've already read Turnbull's book. There are some serious errors to say the least...

Let's just say, most sources agree that the battle of Chiksan was a strategic loss for the Japanese army, halting them from advancing further north than Seoul.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 06:28 PM

who was winning more of the actual battles in imjin ,i read somewere that japanese swords were alot superior to chinese

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ih8eurocentrix, on Dec 15 2005, 11:28 PM, said:

who was winning more of the actual battles in imjin ,i read somewere that japanese swords were alot superior to chinese

You probably read that from one of Turnbull's Samurai books. The Chinese did observe that Japanese swords were superior after the clash at Pyokje. But I question the accuracy of this for the following reasons.

1. The Chinese were ambushed by a large Japanese army while travelling uphill.
2. The Chinese army consisted of almost entirely cavalry without firearms, the Japanese on the other hand had many.
3. Chinese swords are ideally used in conjunction with a shield, in this case I don't believe they were.

In any case, most sources consider the use of Arquebuses to be the greatest strength of Hideyoshi's army--not the use of swords.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 06:52 PM

WangKon936, on Dec 15 2005, 09:49 PM, said:

I expected as much--the author has lived in Japan and Korea, but not China. It's unfortunate that most authours completely ignore the fact that sources from all three sides of the war make reference to the Ming army as a formidable fighting force. Which is why the Koreans imported Chinese instructors to teach infantry, cavalry and artillery tactics.

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Posted 15 December 2005 - 07:03 PM

I have the translation of the Chingbirok. It's an interesting first-hand account, although since it is an official document, it can read like a long list of officials at times. Also, it seemed very much a platform for self aggrandizement for the author. Besides himself and Yi Sun Shin, his account would make it seem like no one else was a responsible, heroic figure.