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#1 HaSY

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Posted 27 January 2005 - 07:30 AM

know this suit when saw Sun Yat Sen wear it in his pictures...
it is known that he invented this suit to symbolise the new age of revolution for china........
juz want to ask that is this suit still be wear by people nowadays?

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Posted 27 January 2005 - 12:04 PM

HaSY, on Jan 27 2005, 12:30 PM, said:

well, the so called "Zhongshan" is just a modern update of Qing era Chinese clothes

NEITHER are remotely traditional to ethnic Chinese

http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=1958

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Posted 27 January 2005 - 01:47 PM

Hi, all

I would like to know are there still anybody in China or the United States make these Wei/Jin/North-South Dynasty, Sui/Tang, Song/Five Dynasty, and Ming clothing.

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Posted 28 January 2005 - 05:57 AM

The Zhongshan jacket has absolutly no relation with the Qing clothing. The Zhongshan jacket is a tight-fitting jacket with narrow sleeves and is based partly on Japanese student dress and Western Military uniforms. Is was an attempt to replace the original hierachial color and material scheme of Qing clothing(which themselves have were based on Ming's schemes) with a clothing that represent a less hierarchial society.

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Posted 28 January 2005 - 10:10 AM

HaSY, on Jan 27 2005, 08:30 PM, said:

Yes, at least 9 years ago I wore one as my hiemal school uniform.
Today, I think some of the oldsters may wear so.

ShuHan, on Jan 28 2005, 02:47 AM, said:

Hi, all

I would like to know are there still anybody in China or the United States make these Wei/Jin/North-South Dynasty, Sui/Tang, Song/Five Dynasty, and Ming clothing.
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The answer is affirmative, but for the actors/actresses, or some of the waitresses and nationalists.

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Posted 31 January 2005 - 06:16 AM

The Chinese orchestra that I joined in university had a Zhongshan suit as the concert uniform for guys, and a yellow pao with black skirt for girls. The Zhongshan suit was made for us by a Shanghainese tailor (now based in Singapore), and cost quite a bit but looks really good.

Here's a picture (can you tell which one I am?):

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 03:44 PM

HaSY, on Jan 27 2005, 12:30 PM, said:

yes.... i remember when chinese prime minister zhu rong ji visted USA, his whole team had black zhongshan zhuang on state diner.

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roughtly translated...

the six states destroyed the six states, not qin.
qin ruled qin, not the whole country.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 02:55 AM

There was actually Historical relation to it. It was believed in every dynasty, there will be a National Constume, which Sun himself had desgned. I am not sure, but a REAL zhongshan suit has 5 buttons, 4 front pockets, and a shortened collar.

The 5 buttons I remember represented the principles or something like that while the pockets represented the people or something.. I don't rally remember.

A Mao suit is also commonly known in the west as a Mao Suit.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:10 PM

Yes, actually right, Andrew.
Mao suit is similar with Zhongshan suit; I think they are two styles of one form. Mao suit is from Zhongshan suit, probably.

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Posted 09 February 2005 - 12:15 PM

Mao suit, I think refers to the general style of the Zhongshan suit. Tnhere are different forms, such as the common, no collar one with very short collars facing up with no folds. Mabye the lack of pockets. Some even oly has 3. However, they still keep the elements of the buttons.

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 04:00 AM

Somehow, Indian leaders like to wear them too. See over here.

http://www.bulgariaembindia.com/img/pic-pr...et-indian_s.jpg

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Posted 15 February 2005 - 12:39 PM

Yep, I think in India it was popularised by Nehru.

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Posted 05 June 2005 - 07:21 AM

The so called "Mao suit' is what Chinese people call Sun yat-sen suit.
A few images first.

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There are some people who says that parts of the suit symbolises Dr Sun's beliefs.

-Three cuff buttons on the left arm represents the three principles of the people (Nationalism,Democracy and socialism).

-The three cuff buttons on the right arm is suppose to represent freedom, equality and secrerity.

The four pockets and the inner pocket as well as the five buttons in front also suppose to have meanings.

Anyone know what they are??

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Posted 05 June 2005 - 11:39 AM

MING-LOYALIST said:

-Three cuff buttons on the left arm represents the three principles of the people (Nationalism,Democracy and socialism).

三民主義 San Min Zhuyi's three "min" stand for 民族 minzu, 民權 minquan, and 民生.

Minzu literally means "ethnicity", I don't know how that can be translated into "nationalism".

Minquan literally means "rights of the people", to translate it into "democracy" seems a little off...

Minsheng means the "livelihood of the people", I don't know how that can be translated into socialism... :glare:

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Posted 05 June 2005 - 06:35 PM

Kulong, on Jun 5 2005, 10:39 AM, said:

MING-LOYALIST said:

-Three cuff buttons on the left arm represents the three principles of the people (Nationalism,Democracy and socialism).

Well
民族主義 is nationalism
民權 is what he described as where everyone can take part in politics and have the power to decide policy so it means universal election ie democracy.
民生 People's livelihood is very like socialism where government provides welfare and help the disadvantaged.