[Minty]

DearCoolZ, on Apr 2 2006, 11:57 PM, said:

henan is in the north,dude.go ask anyone from china,noone would consider henan to be south china. henan was the cradle of chinese civilazation and was historically considered as north china. I'm from henan,zhengzhou, i know how cold it can gets.

Well I actually edited before you quote me, besides Henan is there any other mistake? It's just that I have changed my mind with a few. Sorry I am an overseas Chinese a bit lost in touch with my own culture, and I don't have an atlas at home, so...

[DearCoolZ]

qlittlelemon, on Apr 2 2006, 04:09 PM, said:

Henan province's Loyang city was the ancient capital of a few Mongol Xian Bei statelets during the period of " 5 HU's ravaging Central Plains ",notably Northern WEI.

This Chinese province has a population of Mongol Xian Bei heritage among others as well.My mainland Henan-born neighbor looks kinnda KOREAN so is her son,with distinctive " flat a bit over-sized round face ".

There are a lot of manchus in henan too, and the huizu population is quite big as well.

[Minty]

I think you miss my post so I will post again:

Well I actually edited before you quote me, besides Henan is there any other mistake? It's just that I have changed my mind with a few. Sorry I am an overseas Chinese a bit lost in touch with my own culture, and I don't have an atlas at home, so...

[Inuyasha-sama]

I think that the Northern Chinese look very similar to the Koreans and Mongolians and the Southern Chinese look similar to the Japanese.

[Minty]

Inuyasha-sama, on Apr 4 2006, 02:26 AM, said:

I think that the Northern Chinese look very similar to the Koreans and Mongolians and the Southern Chinese look similar to the Japanese.

Hmmm...I got some questions:



Emperor komei



Zhuge Liang, Han dynasty strategist

Can you find historical southern chinese who look like Japanese? Or Historical figures of Koreans who look like Northern Chinese?

Do you think Komei and Zhugeliand look roughly alike?

The thing is Zhugeliang is from Northern China, I am wondering whether anyone knows any historical figures of Chinese that look similar to those of Japanese?

This post has been edited by Minty: 05 April 2006 - 05:40 PM

[Inuyasha-sama]

Some ancient Japanese drawings took very similar to the Tang dynasty drawings.

[woaey]

i think the japanese and the koreans look similar to the northern&eastern chinese

[Minty]

Inuyasha-sama, on Apr 6 2006, 02:23 AM, said:

Some ancient Japanese drawings took very similar to the Tang dynasty drawings.

Do you mean the drawing styles? Because nobody is denying the Japanese has adopted the Chinese culture into their society. However the question is whether Ancient Japanese look like Southern Hans? I have seen many modern ones who do, but it is extremely difficult to find ancient pictures of Japanese people. I cannot find any on the web of their ancient emperors besides the one I already posted for example.

[Inuyasha-sama]

Where did the Japanese originated from?

[General_Zhaoyun]

Inuyasha-sama, on Apr 7 2006, 07:10 AM, said:

Where did the Japanese originated from?

The origin of Japanese is still unknown even among the Japanese themselves. Some argued that the Japanese language is more related to Altaic branch linguistically, so they could be more related to the Korean/Mongolians.

Some claims that the Japanese contains 'some chinese blood' in them. In chinese historical sources, Sima Qian wrote that Xu Fu was sent by Shi Huang Di of Qin to the Eastern Sea in search for a medicine for eternal life in Fenglai (/Hourai/ -- jp) islands, which the Chinese people consider to be Japan. He left with about 3000 people, but didn't come back because he "became" the king there. Apparently, this has been regarded as a legend.

For more info, refer to
http://users.tmok.co.../jpp/japor.html

[Yongwoni GOD]

woaey, on Apr 6 2006, 12:29 AM, said:

i think the japanese and the koreans look similar to the northern&eastern chinese

The Japanese population is very diverse. They have alot of northern and southern characteristics. Alot look like southern chinese.

[DearCoolZ]

ocean view incubus, on Jun 28 2006, 09:21 AM, said:

This is how they described Koreans.

most of it are inaccurate i would say

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Koreans are generally believed to be of Tungusic-Altaic lineage, linking them with the Japanese, Mongolians, and other Central Asians.

liking them with what? language wise i know that korean is SOV which is similar with other altaic,but what else is there to support this claim?

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The Northern Mongoloid peoples of North Asia and Central Asia have relatively tall statures, well-defined features (such as longer noses, and higher cheekbones) and relatively hairy bodies and faces,

those features are a result of mixing with the indo-eurpopean people)iranian,arabs) in central asia,but the un-mixed northern mongoloids,such as the siberian,yakuts,evenk,orochon and etc are rather short stocky in body size,rather flt nose, and extreme flattened face,and with little body hair.

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features that are considered to define the "prototype" Mongoloid physical type.

rather not. see my explanation above.

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Though they have interbred with other East Asian ethnic groups over the ages, Koreans have retained much of the physicalities of their Northern Mongoloid ancestors including tall stature, long bridged noses, higher cheekbones,

the northern mongoloids are rather short and stocky, with flattened nose,the only thing is correct is the higher cheekbone.

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and a bluish birthmark on their lower back which remain until early childhood called the "Mongolian Mark" or mongo-banjum.

hmmmm,this is also true for the chinese,japanese,and other east asians.

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In contrast, the Japanese peoples have lost much of their Northern Mongoloid physicalities such as tall stature because of persistent interbreeding with Ainu natives of the archipelago.

tall stature can not define a race or an ethnicity.

This post has been edited by DearCoolZ: 28 June 2006 - 10:41 PM

[Yongwoni GOD]

those features are a result of mixing with the indo-eurpopean people)iranian,arabs) in central asia,but the un-mixed northern mongoloids,such as the siberian,yakuts,evenk,orochon and etc are rather short stocky in body size,rather flt nose, and extreme flattened face,and with little body hair.
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can you prove with any historical sources of mass migration central asians bypassing china and mongolia to korea (since you say that some northern mongoloids are 'unmixed'.

DearCoolZ, on Jun 28 2006, 09:22 PM, said:

the northern mongoloids are rather short and stocky, with flattened nose,the only thing is correct is the higher cheekbone.

where did you get this from?

DearCoolZ, on Jun 28 2006, 09:22 PM, said:

hmmmm,this is also true for the chinese,japanese,and other east asians.

Yes but its almost in every korean and mongolian. this feature is only occassional in chinese or japanese. this may be because of mongolian blood in chinese and japanese

DearCoolZ, on Jun 28 2006, 09:22 PM, said:

tall stature can not define a race or an ethnicity.

excactly. but your stereotyping the 'unmixed northern mongoloids' as short and stocky. maybe its because living conditions in those areas aren't as good?