[HaSY]

He is the last emperor of the Ming Dynasty....
is he a good or useless emperor?
some books i read said that he is a useless emperor who knows only indulge to pleasure seeking....while another one said that he is good emperor but the empire's problem is too much for him to handle....
pls enlighten me in this

[Yun]

Chongzhen became emperor at a young age and worked really, really hard. He was far more responsible than any Ming emperor since Hongzhi. But the great famine broke out in the same year that he became emperor, and the rebellions began. He also made big mistakes like:

restoring the power of the eunuchs after he had earlier eliminated them, because he didn't trust anyone else

executing Yuan Chonghuan

executing the generals and officials of every city and prefecture that fell to the rebels

refusing to accept that the rebels were reacting to their hunger and the corruption of the government

In short, I think he was paranoid and bad at handling stress.

[xiangyu]

Image:Chongzhen.

[xiangyu]

last emperor of the Ming Dynasty, Chongzhen,was at least a honourable man ,who rather hung himself than surrender when Li zicheng capture beijing in 1644.

[caocao74]

HaSY, on Feb 19 2005, 12:47 AM, said:

He is the last emperor of the Ming Dynasty....
is he a good or useless emperor?
some books i read said that he is a useless emperor who knows only indulge to pleasure seeking....while another one said that he is good emperor but the empire's problem is too much for him to handle....
pls enlighten me in this

I think the last comments are most apt. He wasn't a useless Emperor, but he (like most of his Ming predecessors) placed too much trust in the eunuchs, accepted ill-counsel, but most of all he seemed to be a person unsuited to take the drastic measures needed to rectify the worsening situation in the North and overcome the factions to unite the country and overcome the rebels (and ultimately not need the 'assistance' of the Manchu.

[jiangji]

Chongzen was a hardworking and good emperor. However, it is too late to save the dynasty from falling into the hands of the qing. The Ming Empire is already in decline at the early 15 centuries. What puzzle me is why it took so long for Ming to fall?

[xiangyu]

HaSY, on Feb 18 2005, 09:47 AM, said:

He is the last emperor of the Ming Dynasty....
is he a good or useless emperor?
some books i read said that he is a useless emperor who knows only indulge to pleasure seeking....while another one said that he is good emperor but the empire's problem is too much for him to handle....
pls enlighten me in this

if only his great genearls like Li Yongfang, Kong Youde, Shang Kexi ,Geng Jimaoand the great Wu Sangui had not switch sides to help the Manchus ,ming dynasty might ahve hope.

[HaSY]

xiangyu, on Mar 3 2005, 07:13 AM, said:

if only his great genearls like Li Yongfang, Kong Youde, Shang Kexi ,Geng Jimaoand the great Wu Sangui had not switch sides to help the Manchus ,ming dynasty might ahve hope.

why were they considered great generals?
is that about their ranking or their abilities?

[xiangyu]

HaSY, on Mar 3 2005, 04:48 AM, said:

why were they considered great generals?
is that about their ranking or their abilities?

a few like Wu Sangui, are very high generlas of ming Dynasty.it was him who let the manchu army through Shanhaiguan.and it was also him who help the manchu defeat the rebel Li Zicheng who had defeated ming .and yes most of these were high ranks in charge of their postitions in city and ,li Yongfang, a Chinese general, surrended the city of Fushun to the Manchus in 1618.

[HaSY]

how about general kong youde?wat is his ranking?

[Merchant]

The facts speak for themselves. ChongZhen was not an able leader, despite the fact his was hard working. His own action domed his kingdom. In this case, it would have been better if he did nothing. Yes he is usless as a Ming emperor and very useful for both Li ZiCheng and the Qings.

[YesNo]

He was useless

He lost the Ming Dynatsy to a pesant rebel depite having so much advantages

[hansioux]

You can be as hard working as you want.

But if you think drinking bacon fat is going to make you lose weight, you can drink as much as you want, you are still going to be the fattest a*** in the world.

Chongzhen is one such example... working hard, towards the wrong direction.

[jiangji]

At least he is better that any previous Ming emperor.