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#1 HaSY

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Posted 11 March 2005 - 07:58 PM

does anyone have pics of the following dynasties' costumes??
(anything related)
i know they are foreigners......but i wish to know the costumes.......

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Posted 17 March 2005 - 03:58 AM

For Qing costumes, you should refer to Manchu clothings..do a google search on "manchu clothings".. you might also want to refer to Qipao (Cheongsam), which is also Manchu in nature.
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Posted 19 March 2005 - 08:16 AM

Haha, HaSY... I think Wu Fei has just provided the right link for your needs on another thread about Jurchen headgear: http://www.pep.com.cn/ljy/index.htm
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Posted 19 March 2005 - 08:05 PM

Here's what little I can provide.

Khitans

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Posted 19 March 2005 - 10:37 PM

There seems to be a lot of head shaving with the Khitan..

Any Jurchen pics?
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Posted 20 March 2005 - 12:11 AM

Here's what little I can provide.

Khitans

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Mongols

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If you don't mind...would you post all of the traditional costumes of every Chinese dynasty...cause I've always wanted to see all of the costumes

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 02:04 AM

the Qidan wore their own version of Han Fu. however, they folded their right lapel over the left one (where the Han fold the left over the right)

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 05:27 AM

If you don't mind...would you post all of the traditional costumes of every Chinese dynasty...cause I've always wanted to see all of the costumes

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haha.............thanks to all of your help!!!


go to http://www.library.u...i_amy/index.htm
to see all of the traditional costumes of every Chinese dynasty.............
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Posted 20 March 2005 - 10:47 AM

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Jin aristocrat's robe, with deer patterns

There seems to be a lot of head shaving with the Khitan..

Shaving the crown of the head was the standard hairstyle of the Xianbei, and the Khitan being related to the Xianbei did the same.

the Qidan wore their own version of Han Fu. however, they folded their right lapel over the left one (where the Han fold the left over the right)


Yes, that was the common feature of northern 'barbarians' - they folded or buttoned their shirts on the left. I guess all men today are barbarians, while women are more civilised because they still button on the right ;)

go to http://www.library.u...i_amy/index.htm
to see all of the traditional costumes of every Chinese dynasty.............


That link doesn't seem to be working.
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Posted 20 March 2005 - 02:33 PM

Try this.

http://www.library.u...i_amy/index.htm

Yun, the picture you posted is a Jurchen Jin dynasty women's robe isn't it?

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 07:46 PM

Yes, it is. The men's robe is on the site that HaSY recommended. Thanks HaSY, it's a very useful site.
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Posted 28 March 2005 - 07:08 PM

Well, I guess in ancient China, Chinese cloths were left over right because they needed to draw the sword/saber from the left, while barbarians cloths were right over left because they needed to draw arrows from the right.

I'm assuming this is for right-handed men.

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 02:03 PM

Well, I guess in ancient China, Chinese cloths were left over right because they needed to draw the sword/saber from the left, while barbarians cloths were right over left because they needed to draw arrows from the right.

I'm assuming this is for right-handed men.

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why wouldn't Chinese need to draw arrows as well? the bow was considered much more an important weapon in ancient China than the sword.

the 士 practiced archery more than anything else. In fact, the composite recurve bow existed in China centuries before the true sword (IE blade longer than handle) developed in China.

the Chinese style of folding the clothes is cultural, not practical. the barbarian opposite of that was in defiance to Hua ren supremacy. kind of like a middle finger represented in your clothing style.

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Posted 30 March 2005 - 04:10 PM

the Chinese style of folding the clothes is cultural, not practical. the barbarian opposite of that was in defiance to Hua ren supremacy. kind of like a middle finger represented in your clothing style.

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I usually frown upon such ethnocentric misconceptions. Sorry, it's just me.

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Posted 05 April 2005 - 02:48 PM

I usually frown upon such ethnocentric misconceptions. Sorry, it's just me.

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what misconceptions?

Hua/Han ren folded left to right, nomad folded right to left. where is the confusion? :blink:




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