[TigaKerajaan]

i know it's fiction but it's interesting to see how Guo Jing, Yang Guo and others would fit in history.

[Yun]

Basically, the most 'historical' parts of the story are Chinggis Khan's unification of the Mongol tribes and conquest of the Khwarizm kingdom. The part where Yang Guo, Guo Jing and company help the defenders of Xiangyang against the Mongols suffers from some inaccuracy. While the general of the garrison is based on the actual general from history, in history the siege that Kubilai actually had to lift because of the death of the Khan was E'zhou, further east (at present-day Wuhan). In newer editions of Shediao Yingxiong Zhuan, the name of the city has been changed to reflect history better.

[RollingWave]

The trilogy is basically set from the late southern Song all the way to the late Yuan dynasty. though the timespan and connection between 2 and 3 is not all that great.

[Mok]

Yang Tiexin, Yang Kang, and Yang Guo are supposed to be the progeny of the famous Yang family of generals who defended northern Sung.

Don't know why he made Yang Kang so traitorous, but IMO Yang Kang was a bit like Moses, if you don't mind the comparision. Both were commoners brought up in privilege and wealth and both had choices to make. Guess Yang Kang didn't choose right.

[ahbian]

Mok Kwai Yeng, on May 9 2005, 02:59 PM, said:

Yang Tiexin, Yang Kang, and Yang Guo are supposed to be the progeny of the famous Yang family of generals who defended northern Sung.

Don't know why he made Yang Kang so traitorous, but IMO Yang Kang was a bit like Moses, if you don't mind the comparision. Both were commoners brought up in privilege and wealth and both had choices to make. Guess Yang Kang didn't choose right.

jin yong needed Yang Kang as a contrast to Guo jing. he is well rounded and his actions are 'easily rationalized' ...imo, YK is a successful novel character, more so than GJ, but that is another long story.

[Mok]

ahbian, on May 9 2005, 03:04 PM, said:

but that is another long story.

Yeah, we could easily set up a sub-forum to discuss Jin Yong's novels alone. LOL

[Mok]

IMHO (Mok Nim Chi) Mu Nianci is one of the stories' most tragic...yet strong character. She was tragic because of her undying love for Yang Kang, and strong because she had the guts to leave "Ah Kang" when she found out she was carrying his child because she didn't want his negative, Jin influence on the unborn child.

She also had to watch Kang die in her arms. *boohoo*

She's a tragic heroine indeed.

[snowybeagle]

Mok Kwai Yeng, on May 9 2005, 07:17 PM, said:

IMHO (Mok Nim Chi) Mu Nianci is one of the stories' most tragic...yet strong character.

Read in Jin Yong's postscript that she was actually an amalgamation of two different characters in the originally published version in the newspaper.
I like her 'cos I liked the actress in the first TV series I saw of the story, the one with Felix Ng.

[Mok]

snowybeagle, on May 10 2005, 12:31 AM, said:

Read in Jin Yong's postscript that she was actually an amalgamation of two different characters in the originally published version in the newspaper.
I like her 'cos I liked the actress in the first TV series I saw of the story, the one with Felix Ng.

Hey, was it the one made by TVB in the 80s starring Felix Wong Yat-wah and Sharon Yeung Pan-pan as Nianci?

I'm a total, freaking fan! I love it and prefer it over the newer versions starring Louis Koo.

Felix is the ultimate Guo Jing and Sharon is good too, not too melodramatic.

[snowybeagle]

Mok Kwai Yeng, on May 10 2005, 01:55 PM, said:

Hey, was it the one made by TVB in the 80s starring Felix Wong Yat-wah and Sharon Yeung Pan-pan as Nianci?
I'm a total, freaking fan! I love it and prefer it over the newer versions starring Louis Koo.
Felix is the ultimate Guo Jing and Sharon is good too, not too melodramatic.

Felix Wong, darn, I can never recall what the surname Huang is supposed to be pronounced as in Cantonese.

I thought Yeung Pan-pan was melodramatic, just like her character in Tian Long Ba Bu. But she's a babe. Wonder why she got these type of roles.

I think Louis Koo did not act as Guo Jing but Yang Guo.
For his generation, Julian Cheung and Athena Chu were Guo Jing and Huang Rong respectively.

[ahbian]

snowybeagle, on May 10 2005, 03:09 PM, said:

Felix Wong, darn, I can never recall what the surname Huang is supposed to be pronounced as in Cantonese.

I thought Yeung Pan-pan was melodramatic, just like her character in Tian Long Ba Bu. But she's a babe. Wonder why she got these type of roles.

I think Louis Koo did not act as Guo Jing but Yang Guo.
For his generation, Julian Cheung and Athena Chu were Guo Jing and Huang Rong respectively.

yup. koo acted YG. his predecessor was andy lau, that version is my fav wuxia tv series. probably due nolstagia more than anything. mainland china is coming out with their version soon, they just wrapped up filming. they also made their own <she diao> with li yapeng as GJ and zhou xun as HR.

[Mok]

snowybeagle, on May 10 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

Felix Wong, darn, I can never recall what the surname Huang is supposed to be pronounced as in Cantonese.

Well, Huang would be Ng in Teochew so you're not off as far as the character of the surname is concerned. :

snowybeagle, on May 10 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

I thought Yeung Pan-pan was melodramatic, just like her character in Tian Long Ba Bu. But she's a babe. Wonder why she got these type of roles.

Nah, she just got cr*ppy roles is all. She starred in a movie called something like Angels of Fire and she did very well both as a pugilist and actress. Btw she is one of the few pugilists who are also actresses. Does Michelle Yeoh count?

And as to melodramatic, I think she had Chinese opera training. Must check my facts.

snowybeagle, on May 10 2005, 02:09 PM, said:

I think Louis Koo did not act as Guo Jing but Yang Guo.
For his generation, Julian Cheung and Athena Chu were Guo Jing and Huang Rong respectively.

Yeah, you're right. Was a bit confused as I think I've mentioned that I'm not so familiar with the newer versions.

But IMO Barbara Yung Mei-Ling, who starred as Huang Rong opposite Felix, is the best Huang Rong. Pity she killed herself over that Cheung guy.

[sima old bandit]

I found Guo Jing a very boring character in Legend of the Condor Heroes (She Diao) although i respect his character greatly in Return & Heaven Sword. Yang Kang - he was a great character even if i hated him.

Leung Ka Yan is my favourite Guo Jing. I didn't think much of Felix Wong until he played Xiao Feng in Tian Long Ba Bu. I don't like Li Ya Peng much either as Guo Jing.

[Chiang Kai-shek]

I am sympathize with Yang Kang.....just like i feel the same for Murong Fu. I hate Guo Jing because indirectly he cause the fall of Song by helping Genghis Khan.DOH!

[vp98]

Chiang Kai-shek, on Sep 25 2005, 09:43 PM, said:

I am sympathize with Yang Kang.....just like i feel the same for Murong Fu. I hate Guo Jing because indirectly he cause the fall of Song by helping Genghis Khan.DOH!

Whether or not Guo Jing helped Genghis Khan, Song will still fall. There is no empire that will last forever.