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#1 User is offline   Gubook Janggoon

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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:13 PM

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Map of Okinawa (Ryukyu Islands)
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Ryukyu Islands Dynasties

*Note: Wiki states that the Ryukyu kingdom was established in 1429. It seems that there is a general confusion of the dates of the Ryukyu kingdom.

Reign Dates Name Comments

Shunten Dynasty
1187–1237 Shunten
1238–1248 Shunba Junki
1249–1259 Gihon

Eiso Dynasty
1260–1299 Eiso
1300–1308 Taisei
1309–1313 Eiji
1314–1336 Tamagusuku
1337–1349 Sei-i

Satto Dynasty
1350–1395 Satto Rules kingdom of Chuzan.
1396–1405 Bunei

Shō Shishō Dynasty
1406–1421 Shō Shishō Takes title of king.
1422–1439 Shō Hashi
1416: defeat of kingdom of Hokuzan.
1429: defeat of kingdom of Nanzan, uniting all Okinawa
1440–1444 Shō Chū
1445–1449 Shō Shitatsu
1450–1453 Shō Kinpuku
1454–1460 Shō Taikyū
1461–1469 Shō Toku

Shō En Dynasty
1470–1476 Shō En Kanemaru Uchima overthrows first Shō dynasty, takes title of Shō En.
1477 Shō Sen-i
1477–1526 Shō Shin Islands of Miyako and Yaeyama added to kingdom.
1527–1555 Shō Sei
1556–1572 Shō Gen
1573–1588 Shō Ei
1589–1620 Shō Nei 1609: Satsuma Clan from Japan invades, conquers

Ryukyu Kingdom.
1621–1640 Shō Hō
1641–1647 Shō Ken
1648–1668 Shō Shitsu
1669–1709 Shō Tei
1710–1712 Shō Eki
1713–1751 Shō Kei
1752–1794 Shō Boku
1795–1802 Shō On
1803 Shō Sei
1804–1828 Shō Kō
1829–1847 Shō Iku
1848–1879 Shō Tai

1872: Japan abolishes Kingdom of Ryukyus, establishes Ryukyu Han.

1879, Japan abolishes Ryukyu Han and makes Okinawa a prefecture.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:20 PM

Here's a brief history from:

http://en.wikipedia..../Ryukyu_Kingdom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okinawa

Ryukyu Kingdom
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Ryukyu Kingdom was an independent kingdom which ruled the Ryukyu Islands from the 14th century to the 19th century. (Note by Gubuk Janggoon: At the bottom where there is a timeline of events in Okinawin history, it is stated that the Ryukyu kingdom was born in 1429, in the 15th century. There seems to be some confusion with the dates.) The King of Ryukyu unified Okinawa Island and extended its rule over the Amami Islands in modern Kagoshima Prefecture and the Yaeyama Islands near to Taiwan. Diplomatically the kingdom established tributary relations with the Middle Kingdom, during its Ming and Qing Dynasties, and developed trade relations with Japan, Korea and many Southeast Asian countries, including Siam, Pattani, Malacca, Champa, Hue, and Java. In 1609, the kingdom fell to an expeditionary force from Kagoshima. As Ming China prohibitted trade with Japanese, Lord of Satsuma utilized the kingdom as a dummy for profitable trades with China. King of Ryukyu also sent diplomatic missions to Edo, capital of feudal Japan. The modern Japanese government abolished the kingdom of Ryukyu and established the prefecture of Okinawa in 1879. Qing China made some diplomatic protests to the Japanese government in vain.

Following the end of World War II and the Battle of Okinawa in 1945, for 27 years Okinawa was under US administration. During this time, Okinawa's currency was the US dollar, and the US military established numerous bases on Okinawa Honto and elsewhere.

On May 15, 1972, Okinawa once again became part of Japan, although to this day the US maintains a large military presence there: more than 50,000 US military personnel and dependents, including 17,600 Marines, are still based there. Whilst they provide a source of revenue for the island's 1.3 million residents they are also a source of considerable tension.

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* 1372 The first Ming envoy visited Okinawa which was divided into Three Mountains ( principalities ). The beginning of the formal tributary relations with the Chinese Empire.
* 1416 The Middle Mountain ( Chuzan ) occuppied Nakijin Gusuku, capital of the Northern Mountain ( Hokuzan ).
* 1429 The Middle Mountain occupied Shimajiri Osato Gusuku, capital of the Southern Mountain ( Nanzan ), unifying the Okinawa Island. The Kingdom of Ryukyu was established with the capital at Shuri Castle in modern Naha.
* 1477 The third king, Sho Shin, ascended the throne. Golden age of the kingdom.
* 1609 Lord of Satsuma in Southern Kyushu conquered the kingdom. King of Ryukyu paid homage to him.
* 1624 Lord of Satsuma annexed the Amami Islands.
* 1853 Commodore Matthew Perry of the US Navy visited the kingdom.
* 1866 The last official mission from the Qing Empire visited the kingdom.
* 1874 The last tributary envoy to the Middle Kingdom was dispatched from Port Naha.
* 1879 Japan annexed the kingdom of Ryukyu. The last king of Ryukyu moved to live in Tokyo as peerage of Japan.



*Note: Interesting to note that Japan seems to have experienced a 3 kingdoms (Principalites) period, much like China and Korea.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 08:43 PM

It seems like all the Ryukyu names sound identical to Japanese. Do the people of Ryukyu have their own language or is it because they were conquered by Japan so their names were Japanized?
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 09:03 PM

Kulong, on Feb 2 2005, 01:43 AM, said:

It seems like all the Ryukyu names sound identical to Japanese.  Do the people of Ryukyu have their own language or is it because they were conquered by Japan so their names were Japanized?


I think they were Japanized...

The Ryukyuans speak their own language...although it is on the decline.

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http://en.wikipedia....kyuan_languages


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The Ryukyuan languages are spoken in the Ryukyu islands and make up a subfamily of the Japonic family. Some disagree as to how these languages should be divided; there is however a general consensus among Ryukyuanists that there are 6 different languages.

* Amami Spoken: islands of the Amami district, Standard: Naze, Speakers: 130000
* Miyako (Miyako: myaaku hutsi) Spoken: islands of the Miyako district, Standard: Hirara, Speakers: 55783
* Okinawan (Okinawan: ucinaaguci) Spoken: southern and central districts of the Okinawan mainland and the surrounding minor islands, Standard: traditionally Shuri, modern Naha, Speakers: 900000
* Kunigami Spoken: the Yanbaru district of the Okinawan mainland as well as the surrounding minor islands, Standard: Kunigami, Speakers: ???
* Yaeyama (Yaeyama: yaima munii) Spoken: islands of the Yaeyama district, Standard: Ishigaki, Speakers: 44650
* Yonaguni Spoken: Yonaguni island in the Yaeyama district, Standard: Yonaguni, Speakers: 1800

In many cases, speakers of the Amami, Miyako, Yaeyama, or Yonaguni languages will also know Okinawan. Many Yonaguni speakers also know Yaeyama. Since Amami, Miyako, Yaeyama, and Yonaguni are less urbanised than the Okinawan mainland, their languages are not declining as quickly as that of Okinawa proper, and children continue to be brought up in these languages. The proportion of adults to children in speakers of Okinawan is much more uneven than with the other languages: it is quickly losing ground as a native language, while the other Ryukyuan languages, although they are losing ground, are slipping only gradually.

Since the beginning of WWII, most Mainland Japanese and even many Ryukyuans have regarded the Ryukyuan languages as a dialect/a group of dialects of Japanese. However, it should be noted that during WWII, Korean, Palauan, and a couple of other languages were considered dialects of Japanese, which they are most certainly not by any measurement. (today only some elderly Japanese and radical nationalists believe Korean to be a Japanese dialect.) With Ryukyuan languages, the distinction is not quite as clear as it is for former "dialects" such as Korean and Palauan. Before the annexation of the Ryukyuan Kingdom to Japan in the late 1800s, nobody would question the status of Ryukyuan languages as independent from Japanese. They differ more in vocabulary and grammar than do English and German. Other Ryukyuan languages such as Miyako, Yaeyama, and Yonaguni are even further from Tokyo Japanese.

Nowadays, there are a little over 1 million native speakers of Ryukyuan languages left, but many of them are elderly (some of them extremely so, due to the Ryukyuan tendency to live past 90). There are still some children learning Ryukyuan languages natively, but this is rare on mainland Okinawa and usually only happens when children live with grandparents. Native speakers of Okinawan under 20 are rare.
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Posted 01 February 2005 - 11:40 PM

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Before 1945

Large parts of this history come from George Feifer's history of the Battle of Okinawa (references).

When Commodore Perry visited Okinawa in 1854, he noted:

It would be difficult for you to imagine the beauties of this island with respect to the charming scenery and the marvelous perfection of cultivation.

The source of modern-day Okinawans is disputed. Evidence suggests the island was never part of formal Japanese territory until annexation in 1872, although the Kingdom of the Ryūkyūs had been subjugated by the Shimazu clan, lords of southern Kyūshū, as early as 1609, and the Okinawans also paid tribute to the Manchu rulers of the Qing Dynasty of China. The earliest inhabitants were likely descended from crossovers via a prehistoric land bridge from modern-day China, with a later mixture of Malaysians, Micronesians, and Japanese. Others, however, basing their claims mostly on evidence from studies of physical anthropology, and more recently also genetics, take the view that the modern Okinawans are the most pure descendants of the prehistoric inhabitants of the Japanese islands (Japanese: Jōmon-jin 縄文人 "People of the Jōmon Era"). Scientists of this persuasion explain that the Hondo ("Mainland") Japanese are rather a complex mix of the prehistoric Japanese aborigines with immigrants who originated in the ancestral populations of various continental Asian peoples, especially those who came from what are now Korea, Siberia and China.

Early Chinese visitors noted the hospitality of Okinawa's islanders, and its brutal poverty. Pressed between two powerful neighbors — China and Japan — it suited them well to be hospitable. After the European explorers of the 19th century, they entertained the Dutch, the Portuguese, the English, and others, who always noted the hospitality of the natives.

The Okinawan language seems to be a Japonic language, having mutually split with the Japanese language long ago. The comparative method, a linguistic method for scientifically comparing languages and reconstructing a hypothetical "ancestor language" from which the present-day languages evolved, has proven beyond a doubt that the languages of the Ryūkyū Archipelago, including Okinawan, are genetically related to the Japanese language. The Ryūkyūan languages may all be grouped together to form one of the main branches of the Japonic language family; the other main branch is comprised of the various Japanese dialects.

The dominant economy was farming of sugar cane, and later on, the sweet potato, without which far more Okinawans would have died in the 1945 battle. Other farmed items include guava, banana, papaya, and tobacco.

In the fifteenth and sixtenth century, Okinawans traded from Java to Japan, to China and Korea. This led to an increased level of prosperity for the kingdom.

At about the end of the sixteenth century, Japanese feudal leader Toyotomi Hideyoshi ordered the Ryūkyū Kingdom to give men and arms for a Chinese invasion. Ryūkyūans generally opposed military adventures; there is a widespread (although suspect) story that during the massive (although unsuccessful) Mongol invasions of Japan in the 13th century, that the Okinawans refused to help the Mongols, being later ravaged by them. Nor did they wish to ruin their Korean trade. The Japanese planned their attack via the Korean peninsula. The Ryūkyū Kingdom did not wish to offend China, for they had strong trade and cultural ties. The attack on China went without the help of the Ryūkyū Kingdom, and Hideyoshi meanwhile died. There was a ferocious battle of succession. The Shimazu family of Kyūshū Island won — the Satsuma clan, the Ryūkyūans' nearest Japanese neighbors.

The Shimazu clan wanted Okinawa's trade, and wanted favor with the regime in Edo (modern-day Tōkyō), and the Ryūkyūans had not paid respects to the new regime in Kyūshū. Permission to invade the kingdom was granted by the rulers in Edo.

The Okinawan invasion was in 1609. Three thousand men and more than one hundred war junks sailed from Kagoshima at the southern tip of Kyūshū. The Ryūkyūans were nearly weaponless. Many priceless cultural treasures were taken to Kagoshima.

The Satsuma rulers never permitted Ryūkyūans to own arms, leading to Okinawa's most famous contribution to world culture — karate (below).

The Satsumas enacted crippling taxes, taking over the trade of the Kingdom after the sealing of Japan from the rest of the world in 1636 so as to gain an economic advantage. Often, Ryūkyūans weren't allowed to eat the very fish they caught.

After Perry's "black ships" came by, the Meiji Restoration proceeded after the Meiji Emperor attained the throne in 1867. The Kingdom was formally annexed to Japan in 1879, the monarchy in Shuri Castle abolished.

The Japanese government promoted Japanese-language education in the school system to render the islanders Japanese citizens. By 1939 there was compulsory military training.

As a side note, the mongoose was introduced from India in 1910 to control the poisonous habu snake.


The Crucial Year: 1945

The year 1945 was defined by the Battle of Okinawa (which see). This was one of the last major battles of World War II, claiming the lives of an estimated 120,000 people. The Ryūkyūs were the only places where there was a land battle in Japan during WWII. In addition to the Japanese military personnel who died in the Battle for Okinawa, more than one third of the civilian population, 300,000 people, died. The Okinawan victims were not only killed by bombs and shells, but also by the Japanese military.



The Princess Lilies

Another point of Okinawan tragedy was the Japanese military forcing school girls to join a group known as the Princess Lilies and go to the battle front as nurses. The Princess Lilies was an organization made up of girl students, 15 to 16 years old, who participated in the battle as nurses. There were seven girl's high schools in Okinawa at the time of WW II. The Princess Lilies were organized at two of them, and a total of 297 students and teachers joined the group and eventually served the Army as nurses. Two hundred and eleven died. Most of the girls were put into caves, which served as temporary clinics, and took care of injured soldiers. There was no medicine, food or water. Many of the young girls died while trying to get water for the wounded soldiers. The Japanese military also told these girls that if they were taken prisoner the enemy would rape and then kill them, and then gave the girls hand grenades to commit suicide with before being taken prisoner. One of the Princess Lilies explains this by saying, "We had a strict imperial education, so being taken prisoner was the same a being a traitor. We were taught to prefer suicide to becoming a captive." --(Moriguchi, 1992) Many students died saying "Tenno Banzai." which means "Long live the Emperor."

The board of education, made up entirely of mainland Japanese, required the girls' participation. Teachers opposed to the board of education, insisting the students be evacuated to somewhere safe, were accused of being traitors.

The Americans were under strict orders not to harm civilians, but there were atrocities such as the Cave of the Virgins, where many Okinawan school girls committed suicide. The schoolgirls jumped off of the cliffs for fear of being raped by the Americans. Similarly whole families committed suicide or were killed by near relatives.

The islands were occupied by the United States at the end of the war.


After 1945

This history is at the present writing still fragmentary; any knowledgeable persons would be welcomed to contribute more.

On November 21, 1969 U.S. President Richard Nixon and Japanese Prime Minister Eisaku Sato agreed in Washington, DC on the return of Okinawa to Japanese control in 1972. Representatives of Japan and the United States signed the Okinawa Reversion Agreement on June 17, 1971.[1] (http://www.niraikanai.wwma.net/pages/archive/rev71.html) Under terms of the agreement, the US retained its rights to bases on the island as part of the 1952 Treaty to protect Japan, but those bases were to be nuclear-free. The United States military still controls about 19% of the island, which makes the 30,000 American servicemen a dominant feature in island life. While the Americans provide jobs to the locals in bars and entertainment and pay rent on the land, widespread personal relationships between US servicemen and Okinawan women remains controversial in conservative Okinawan society. Okinawa remains the poorest prefecture of Japan as of this writing (August 2003).


Tension with Japan

Some Okinawans refuse to raise the Japanese flag at official events, because of the flag's perceived link to Japan's emperor, the Japanese Imperial Military, and the World War II Battle of Okinawa. The Japanese flag reminds many Okinawans of the worst aspects of Japanese imperialism.

On October of 1987, Mr. Shoichi Chibana burned the Japanese flag while it was being raised for the Kaiho National Athletic meet in Yomitan, Okinawa. This incident not only shocked Japanese, but also Ryūkyūans.

During the Battle of Okinawa, Japanese soldiers killed Okinawan civilians. One reason was due to non combatants disturbing the Japanese military in their hiding places. During the battle, people hid in the many caves on Okinawa. At first, there were only civilians, but the soldiers also took refuge in the caves after the fighting became intense. During the many fierce battles, the babies in the caves started crying. Their mothers tried to stop the crying, but the soldiers, being afraid of being found by the enemy, murdered the babies at once. This brutality was not unusual to the Okinawans. They were also killed over small amounts of food. "At midnight, soldiers would wake up Okinawans and take them to the beach. Then they chose Okinawans at random and threw hand grenades at them." (Moriguchi, 1992)

The suspicion of being a spy was another reason why Okinawans were killed. Classified World War II Japanese military documents describe punishment for Okinawans who didn't speak Japanese. They were declared spies, and killed for speaking their own language. Additionally, Japanese soldiers shot Okinawans who wanted to surrender to Allied Forces appealing to them to quit fighting. The Japanese military commanders were afraid of their subordinates losing their fighting spirit while watching civilians surrender, so they killed civilians to prevent their troops from losing morale.

During March 1945, there was an intense battle in Yaeyama Archipelago. The Japanese military forced people to evacuate from their towns to the mountains even though malaria was prevalent there. Ryūkyūans, without food and medicine, lost 54% of the island's population to starvation and disease. After WWII, the government stated that the Japanese military didn't know that malaria was prevalent in the mountains of Yaeyama. There is, however, some evidence that this was known before the evacuation of Okinawans to the mountains. The bereaved families of the malaria victims filed a lawsuit against the government for its responsibility.


Tension with the US

In 1995 two Marines and a sailor kidnapped and raped a 12 year old girl and left her for dead, and under the Status of Forces Agreement with the U.S., local police and prosecutors were unable to get access to the troops until they were able to prepare an indictment. Many locals viewed this as unfair treatment that created an undue burden on their ability to investigate the case and bring the perpetrators to justice. All three were later convicted in a Japanese court. Later revisions to the agreement were made, but many observers viewed them as cosmetic. This is not an isolated case with many crimes being reported including the alleged rape attempt by Major Michael Brown who was convicted of molestation on the 8th July 2004. Crimes committed by U.S. soldiers are an issue at many overseas U.S. bases, but Okinawan officials have complained that the high concentration of U.S. bases inflicts a special burden on them compared to mainland Japan.

Other complaints are that the military bases disrupt the lives of the Okinawan people, the bases occupy more than a fifth of the main island. The biggest and most active airforce base in east Asia is based on the island, the islanders complain that this produces large amounts of noise and is dangerous in other ways. In 1959 a jet fighter crashed into a school on the island killing 17 children and injuring 121. In 2004 a US military helicopter crashed into a college on the island, injuring the three crew members on board. The US military prevented the local police from participating in the investigation of the crash.

Whilst the bases do provide revenue it is claimed that they are holding the island's development back. Base related revenue makes up 5 percent of the total economy. If the US vacated the land it is claimed that the island would be able to generate more money from tourism by the increased land that they would be able to develop.
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Posted 02 February 2005 - 10:24 AM

Kulong, on Feb 2 2005, 01:43 AM, said:

It seems like all the Ryukyu names sound identical to Japanese.  Do the people of Ryukyu have their own language or is it because they were conquered by Japan so their names were Japanized?
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It's their own language but it's still part of the Japanese family, kind of like Portuguese and Spanish.

There are alot of Okinawans where I live and this is what I found out. They seem to have last names that sound/look Japanese, but people in Japan would never use them, thus it is easy to tell who is Okinawan by their name. For example

anything ending in -Shiro
i.e Yamashiro, Miyashiro, etc

as well as the following
Uehara/Uyehara
Arakaki
Higa
Yamamoto
Amuro
Fukunaga

These family names are almost never used by some one of pure Japanese descent. So if you see some one with that last name, they are most likely have Okinawan ancestry like some famous Japanese singers Namie Amuro and Takako Uehara.
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Posted 02 February 2005 - 10:35 AM

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There are alot of Okinawans where I live and this is what I found out.  They seem to have last names that sound/look Japanese, but people in Japan would never use them, thus it is easy to tell who is Okinawan by their name.  For example
...as well as the following
Uehara/Uyehara
Arakaki
Higa
Yamamoto
Amuro
Fukunaga
These family names are almost never used by some one of pure Japanese descent.  So if you see some one with that last name, they are most likely have Okinawan ancestry like some famous Japanese singers Namie Amuro and Takako Uehara.
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Never used by 'Japanese' families?

This is from http://www.scienceda...ily_names#Japan

1.(佐藤) Sato
2.(鈴木) Suzuki
3.(高橋) Takahashi
4.(田中) Tanaka
5.(渡辺) Watanabe
6.(伊藤) Ito
7.(山本) Yamamoto
8.(中村) Nakamura
9.(小林) Kobayashi
10.(斎藤) Saito

I can't recall how many people I worked with called Yamamoto, with most of them from the Kanto region.
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Posted 02 February 2005 - 02:18 PM

When I was in Japan watching Japanese TV, there was this travel show, with a really cute girl originally from OKinawa. And they visited the Pyrimid when she said in the OKinawa language Ryukyuan the sun is "xxxxx". So eventhough people rarely use it anymore, some words are still known to the new generations.


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The language of Okinawa belongs to the Japanese-Ryukyuan language family which extends from Hokkaido in northern Japan to Yonaguni (73 km. off the coat of Taiwan) in the southern Ryukyus.  Although Hattori Shiro, one of the leading linguists of Japan estimates that the time of separation of the Shuri (Okinawa) and Kyoto (Japan) dialects was sometime between the beginning of the sixth century and the middle of the twelfth century, the Ryukyuan language is identified as an independent language due to its remote relationships in morphological, phonological, and lexical aspects.

Within the Ryukyuan language (extending from Amami Oshima to Yonaguni), the Okinawan language itself is comprised of many diffferent dialects and sub-dialects from village to village.  The Shuri dialect was standardized under the Ryukyuan kingdom central administration estiablished by King Sho Shin (1477-1526).  It was the official language used in conversation by the aristocratic class of Shuri castle.  Most Okinawan songs and poems were composed in the Shuri dialect.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 07:25 PM

caocao74, on Feb 2 2005, 03:35 PM, said:

Never used by 'Japanese' families?

This is from http://www.scienceda...ily_names#Japan

1.(佐藤) Sato
2.(鈴木) Suzuki
3.(高橋) Takahashi
4.(田中) Tanaka
5.(渡辺) Watanabe
6.(伊藤) Ito
7.(山本) Yamamoto
8.(中村) Nakamura
9.(小林) Kobayashi
10.(斎藤) Saito

I can't recall how many people I worked with called Yamamoto, with most of them from the Kanto region.
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Sorry I meant to write Yamashiro, not Yamamoto. The examples you gave are allJapanese names. All the other examples such as Higa, Uehara, etc is virtually exclusive to Okinawans.

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 07:38 PM

Could somebody comment on the disrepency of the dynasty dates? My first source says the Ryukyu kingdom was founded in 1621 while wiki states that it was founded in the 14th cent. When was it?
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 02:30 AM

caocao74, on Feb 2 2005, 07:35 AM, said:

Never used by 'Japanese' families?

This is from http://www.scienceda...ily_names#Japan

1.(佐藤) Sato
2.(鈴木) Suzuki
3.(高橋) Takahashi
4.(田中) Tanaka
5.(渡辺) Watanabe
6.(伊藤) Ito
7.(山本) Yamamoto
8.(中村) Nakamura
9.(小林) Kobayashi
10.(斎藤) Saito

I can't recall how many people I worked with called Yamamoto, with most of them from the Kanto region.
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Curious..some of the pronounciations don't seem to match up with the characters. For instance, I'm sure the character 高 is pronounced Go, but 高橋 is pronounced Takahashi....The same with 中村 being Nakamura. Isn't 中 pronounced Chu?
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Posted 12 February 2005 - 07:07 PM

Gubuk Janggoon, on Feb 12 2005, 01:30 AM, said:

Curious..some of the pronounciations don't seem to match up with the characters.  For instance, I'm sure the character 高 is pronounced Go, but 高橋 is pronounced Takahashi....The same with 中村 being Nakamura.  Isn't 中 pronounced Chu?
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Japanese names follow different rules when it comes to pronounciation. The pronounciations you are referring to are the sinicized pronounciations, i forgot the term for it. (go-on or something?) with many names and surnames they may use the japanese pronounciation for the kanji... (there are numerous readings for a single kanji in japanese) somebody with more knowledge on this subject can probably comment on this further.
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 07:30 AM

tongyan, on Feb 13 2005, 09:07 AM, said:

Japanese names follow different rules when it comes to pronounciation.  The pronounciations you are referring to are the sinicized pronounciations, i forgot the term for it. (go-on or something?)  with many names and surnames they may use the japanese pronounciation for the kanji... (there are numerous readings for a single kanji in japanese) somebody with more knowledge on this subject can probably comment on this further.
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Quite right. Basically, a single character generally represents an 'on' and 'kun' reading (or more than one 'on' or 'kun' reading) (although some only represent one of the readings).
The character 高 can either be representative of KOU/GOU or TAKA, while 中 can be either CHUU or NAKA.
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Posted 13 February 2005 - 11:06 AM

Wow...learning Kanji must be very confusing then...
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Posted 14 February 2005 - 09:48 AM

Gubuk Janggoon, on Feb 14 2005, 01:06 AM, said:

Wow...learning Kanji must be very confusing then...
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You get used to it, and many dictionaries use what is called Furigana, which is small hiragana script placed over the Kanji to show the correct pronunciation. It doesn't make it easy but it makes it easier.
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