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Do you know where I can get a map of Tang at its peak? Thanks.
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Posted 02 June 2005 - 07:02 PM
You need to look in this older thread here.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 01:34 PM
The height of Tang, promximation here.
http://www.nhyz.org/...n/asia7cen2.jpg
Yrimondi have posted the Zhong Yuan Tu before which has a more detailed version, but somehow the maps aren't working, and I have no time to look into CnYahoo and find it.
http://www.nhyz.org/...n/asia7cen2.jpg
Yrimondi have posted the Zhong Yuan Tu before which has a more detailed version, but somehow the maps aren't working, and I have no time to look into CnYahoo and find it.
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 02:48 PM
Here is a map of the territory of political INFLUENCE of the Tang http://vip.6to23.com...ity8/map/16.jpg
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Posted 03 June 2005 - 11:19 PM
It's interesting to note that there were 3 large empires at that time:
Tang
Islamic Empire
Byzantine
Tang seemed to be the most powerful at that time, but after the defeat by the Arabs at the battle of Talas in 750s, its strength has decreased.
Tang
Islamic Empire
Byzantine
Tang seemed to be the most powerful at that time, but after the defeat by the Arabs at the battle of Talas in 750s, its strength has decreased.
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Posted 04 June 2005 - 07:09 PM
Yes there was, but Byzantine is not one of them, the other one been the Tubo empire.
And stop bring up Talas again, it was pinprick damage to Tang power.
And stop bring up Talas again, it was pinprick damage to Tang power.
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 04:36 AM
Karl, on Jun 3 2005, 06:13 AM, said:
Do you know where I can get a map of Tang at its peak? Thanks.
I have a map here:
http://www.allempire...map11chi_sm.jpg
General_Zhaoyun, on Jun 4 2005, 11:19 AM, said:
It's interesting to note that there were 3 large empires at that time:
Tang
Islamic Empire
Byzantine
Tang seemed to be the most powerful at that time, but after the defeat by the Arabs at the battle of Talas in 750s, its strength has decreased.
Tang
Islamic Empire
Byzantine
Tang seemed to be the most powerful at that time, but after the defeat by the Arabs at the battle of Talas in 750s, its strength has decreased.
So Tang Empire did meet Arabs in war. What is 'battle of Talas'?
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 06:32 AM
qrasy, on Jul 29 2005, 03:36 AM, said:
So Tang Empire did meet Arabs in war. What is 'battle of Talas'?
Talas is a battle between an Arab army and Tang forces in 751 which ended with a decisive victory of the Arabs. It is controversial discussed on this forum how much effect the battle ultimately had on the geopolitical alignment of Central Asia to the Muslim world.
Both Tang and Umayyad empire share the limelight of that time, but it's hard to see how the Umayyad empire, stretching from the Atlantic to the Indus, could have been second to any contemporary empire in terms of power.
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Posted 29 July 2005 - 08:48 AM
warhead, on Jun 3 2005, 06:34 PM, said:
The height of Tang, promximation here.
http://www.nhyz.org/...n/asia7cen2.jpg
Yrimondi have posted the Zhong Yuan Tu before which has a more detailed version, but somehow the maps aren't working, and I have no time to look into CnYahoo and find it.
http://www.nhyz.org/...n/asia7cen2.jpg
Yrimondi have posted the Zhong Yuan Tu before which has a more detailed version, but somehow the maps aren't working, and I have no time to look into CnYahoo and find it.
What are the red and yellow lines?
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Posted 31 July 2005 - 09:29 PM
warhead, on Jun 5 2005, 08:09 AM, said:
And stop bring up Talas again, it was pinprick damage to Tang power.
Perhaps, but consider too the potential lost.
Europe and the Far East could have been brought together much closer ...
Talas meant Central Asia would continue to be the profiteering middlemen for centuries to come ... not to mention providing substantial support for the Islamic empires in Central Asia and the Near/Middle East ...
Even without going too far into speculation ... the Tang might be rather indifferent to Talas, but not the Muslims ...
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 04:43 PM
I miss the Talas thread. Let's bring it back XD
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:09 PM
It's just so sad to see these maps. Although they are supposed to reflect the historical truth of Tang dynasty, signs of political projections are everywhere.
In one map, the one from 歷史迴廊, draw Tibet as a part of Tang. I'd like to find out what is the basis for this. Tang has never had control over the Tibetan area. Yes Tang conqured the 吐魯蕃 (in some translations 吐谷渾) but that's not Tibet.
If it is based on Tibet paying tribute to Tang, then why aren't Corea, Japan, and the entire Asian steppes painted as part of Tang?
Some of them included Yunan as a part of Tang. Which couldn't be more inaccurate.
And for some maps to include Taiwan as part of Tang dynasty can only be the evidence of political agendas distorting history.
In one map, the one from 歷史迴廊, draw Tibet as a part of Tang. I'd like to find out what is the basis for this. Tang has never had control over the Tibetan area. Yes Tang conqured the 吐魯蕃 (in some translations 吐谷渾) but that's not Tibet.
If it is based on Tibet paying tribute to Tang, then why aren't Corea, Japan, and the entire Asian steppes painted as part of Tang?
Some of them included Yunan as a part of Tang. Which couldn't be more inaccurate.
And for some maps to include Taiwan as part of Tang dynasty can only be the evidence of political agendas distorting history.
mudanin kata mudanin kata. kata siki-a kata siki-a. muhaiv ludun muhaiv ludun. kanta sipal tas-tas kanta sipal tas-tas. kanta sipal tunuh kanta sipal tunuh. sikavilun vini daingaz sikavilun vini daingaz.
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:12 PM
qrasy, on Jul 29 2005, 01:36 AM, said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This map really bugs me. Were Koreans the only tributary states to Tang? I find this a little crazy.
They also just clump Goguryeo, Baekje, and Shilla into one big mess of a blob and just slap the tributary label on it. ::shakes head::
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Posted 01 August 2005 - 05:20 PM
Gubook Janggoon, on Aug 1 2005, 03:12 PM, said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. This map really bugs me. Were Koreans the only tributary states to Tang? I find this a little crazy.
They also just clump Goguryeo, Baekje, and Shilla into one big mess of a blob and just slap the tributary label on it. ::shakes head::
They also just clump Goguryeo, Baekje, and Shilla into one big mess of a blob and just slap the tributary label on it. ::shakes head::
Every single one of these maps bugs me. Since every single one of them had a political message they want to slip under your eye lids.
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