[foldup_gryphon]

Current academic consensus identify the ancient Zhou people has having a northern Chinese origin bordering the nomadic steps. However one side maintained the Zhou came from the northwest while another side worked out the Zhou was from further north in mid Shanxi region around Taiyuan. Which side is correct? The most popular and academically accepted view is Zhou descendants are current Mandarin speakers. Is this true? I myself have my own alternative theories to all the above accepted opinions and therefore seek further explanations for the current popular and academically correct views to test if my own new theories are correct.

[AhMan]

I think: regardless of where the Zhou people originated from, they were the one that brought Chineseness to the Chinese (culture, history, facial features...).

This post has been edited by AhMan: 15 September 2005 - 10:40 AM

[浪淘音]

foldup_gryphon, on Sep 15 2005, 03:19 PM, said:

Current academic consensus identify the ancient Zhou people has having a northern Chinese origin bordering the nomadic steps. However one side maintained the Zhou came from the northwest while another side worked out the Zhou was from further north in mid Shanxi region around Taiyuan. Which side is correct? The most popular and academically accepted view is Zhou descendants are current Mandarin speakers. Is this true? I myself have my own alternative theories to all the above accepted opinions and therefore seek further explanations for the current popular and academically correct views to test if my own new theories are correct.

are you kidding me? where do you come up with this stuff

none of the ideas you brought up are accepted by any scholars.

no matter what the people of Xia, Shang and Zhou were ethnically. they are all Chinese ancestors (ethnically, racially and culturally)

the concept of Chinese ethnicity didn't exist at the time and wouldn't until the later half (eastern half) of the Zhou dynasty and even then, its not static

the people of Zhou certainly did not speak modern mandarin. the spoken language of Zhou all the way through the nanbei Chao era are referred to linguists as "old Chinese"
上古汉语http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Chinese




but i want to see continue to argue about this point. this will be funny to see you try to disprove theories that no one has ever had before to begin with

[foldup_gryphon]

浪淘音, on Sep 16 2005, 08:27 AM, said:

are you kidding me? where do you come up with this stuff

none of the ideas you brought up are accepted by any scholars.

no matter what the people of Xia, Shang and Zhou were ethnically. they are all Chinese ancestors (ethnically, racially and culturally)

the concept of Chinese ethnicity didn't exist at the time and wouldn't until the later half (eastern half) of the Zhou dynasty and even then, its not static

the people of Zhou certainly did not speak modern mandarin. the spoken language of Zhou all the way through the nanbei Chao era are referred to linguists as "old Chinese"
上古汉语http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Chinese
but i want to see continue to argue about this point. this will be funny to see you try to disprove theories that no one has ever had before to begin with

Would you care to provide the latest academic accepted theory/ies on the origin of the ethnic Zhou people?

This post has been edited by foldup_gryphon: 16 September 2005 - 01:36 AM

[benben]

are people with the surname zhou related to the king or people from the legendary zhou dynasty?
even if the person with this surname is from the deep south in guangdong?
And also is zhou a common surname in the north of china?

This post has been edited by benben: 16 June 2006 - 03:37 PM

[Yongwoni GOD]

foldup_gryphon, on Sep 15 2005, 09:19 AM, said:

Current academic consensus identify the ancient Zhou people has having a northern Chinese origin bordering the nomadic steps. However one side maintained the Zhou came from the northwest while another side worked out the Zhou was from further north in mid Shanxi region around Taiyuan. Which side is correct? The most popular and academically accepted view is Zhou descendants are current Mandarin speakers. Is this true? I myself have my own alternative theories to all the above accepted opinions and therefore seek further explanations for the current popular and academically correct views to test if my own new theories are correct.

LOL mandarin speakers?..... mandarin only appeared when Middle Chinese (which sounds alot like Hakka and Cantonese) became influenced by northern 'barbarians' between 950 -1250. In that period, northern China fell into the hands of northern 'barbarians', a few centuries of foreign rule altered the language of northern China from Middle Chinese to proto-mandarin.

Also, there was a trend for han Chinese in Zhongyuan to migrate to South China as life in the north was unfavourable (invasions etc.).
Plus Northern "barabarians' intermixed with the Chinese in the North. So it wouldn't be quite right to say that the descendants of Zhou are current mandarin speakers

This post has been edited by Yongwoni GOD: 23 June 2006 - 02:01 AM

[Kenshinng]

benben, on Jun 17 2006, 04:35 AM, said:

are people with the surname zhou related to the king or people from the legendary zhou dynasty?
even if the person with this surname is from the deep south in guangdong?
And also is zhou a common surname in the north of china?

The surname of the rulers of the ZHou Dynasty was actually Ji..i also dunno if there is a connection with people who are surnamed Zhou though.