[DearCoolZ]

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Many modern day Koreans' ancestors were ancient northern nomadic people of Asia continent,consistent migrations to today's Korea peninsula over the course of Korea history.

i think you are talking about the siberians,they are not nomadic,they were hunter-gatherings.

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Pak (Bak) means brightness derived from an ancient Chosun

pak means white

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legend Pak Hokguse,royal house of Shilla adapt this name to legitimized the throne and Kim (Gim) is a common clan name for many Siberian-origin aka Tungusic-Manchu tribes in China's NE region

there are many many han chinese with the surname kim(jin in mandarin). Aisin giorio is the one of the clan name for the manchus,but it has no coorlation with the korean kim.

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Pak is not a Han-origin Chinese surname I can ensure you

what are you talking about? pak(bai in mandarin) is a pretty popular surname in china,there were famous chinese with bai in ancient china,namely,bai juyi, a famous poet from tang china.

[DearCoolZ]

Gubook Janggoon, on Apr 20 2006, 10:56 PM, said:

http://www.lcinfo.ne...view.asp?id=263

above quote was taken from a group of chinese history reseachers during a trip in korea.

Interesting, but that means little in proving that the SK president had a Chinese ancestor. The nature of Korean surnames is that they were often given by the King or earned through merit. Have the same character means little. The surname may have originated in Shandong, but it does not mean that the SK president's ancestors were necessarily from Shandong or Han Chinese at all.

one of the korean president 卢泰愚(lu taiyu),dunno know how to type in korean. he has visted shandong many times to honor his ancestors. and even roh myuhyun said himself that,one of his ancestor came from shandong. it was on a chinese news channel,i think it was cctv9.

[DearCoolZ]

qlittlelemon, on Apr 20 2006, 11:45 PM, said:

According to the Chinese " hundred family names ",Roh/Noh in Korean is a " chopped-off " of a Mongol Xiongnu tribal name .... " blah blah Do Roh " as in multi-syllables.Unless this present SK president personally said it otherwise the PRC's news is just plain propaganda.

The former president Roh of SK between 1988-1992 looks exactly like " twin " to last year's democratically elected premier of Outer Mongolia.

Japan Times interviewe in 2003 was my source on Mr Gong's ancestry.

Roh is wrriten as 卢 in hanzi,a common name in china and was later adapted by koreans like other chinese names in korea.

here is what the baijia xing(" hundred family names "_ says about the surname: Lu/Roh

it clearly says that it was originated from shandong.

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姜太公之后,至文公子高,高孙奚,食采于卢,今卢县也,因姓卢.
回答者：czzyq - 经理 四级 11-1 18:51

系承齐姜太公 卢氏老家山东
关于卢姓的来源，《姓纂》和《通志氏族略》等古籍都有源源本本的记载，是这样的：“姜氏，齐太公之后，至文公子高，高孙¤，食采于卢、今卢县也，因姓卢氏，秦有博士卢敖，汉有燕王卢绾。”

齐太公，就是辅佐周武王兴周灭纣的姜子牙。他于大功告成之后，被封在齐国，爵位为公，成为后世许多同宗而不同姓的家族的共同始祖。卢氏，既然是创自齐文公的曾孙¤，当然也是名正言顺的姜太公后裔。如果再往上推溯，则姜太公是炎帝神农氏的直系姜姓裔孙，那么，卢姓自然也是最为道地的炎黄子孙了。

卢氏的得姓，是由于“食采于卢，因姓卢氏”。春秋时代齐国的卢邑，在当时的历史上也相当有名气，《左传》上面就有一段：“隐三年，齐侯、郑伯盟于石门，寻卢之盟也”的记载。这个地方，根据考证，就是在现山东省长清县的西南方。换言之，卢氏目前虽然是到处都有，但他们的“老家”却在山东。

春秋时代繁衍于齐国的姜太公后裔中，以卢字为姓的，除齐文公曾孙¤的“以邑为氏”而姓了单姓卢之外，还有以“卢蒲”两个字为姓的一支。这一支卢蒲氏，是传自“九合诸侯，一匡天下”的那位齐桓公，传到后来，也纷纷改姓了单字卢氏，并且以今河北省大兴县一带为繁衍中心，使得卢氏的阵容，越来越是庞大。

由复姓的“卢蒲氏”而单姓的“卢氏”，这段渊源，可以从《通志》的《氏族略》找到证据，是这样的：“卢蒲氏，出自桓公，亦为卢氏，范阳。”

正跟汉、唐两代的金碧辉煌一样，卢氏在这段时期也表现得精彩出色。汉代的卢绾、卢植，以及唐代的卢照邻、卢同、卢纶，无一不是在历史上响当当的人物。

参考资料：http://www.zaobao.com/zaobao/chinese/surname/pages/story_lu2.html

firstly,xiognnus were not mongols. where is your source says that roh is a chopped-off of the mongol blah blah do roh name?

last,the president Roh himself said it,its not a propaganda made up by the cctvs.

This post has been edited by DearCoolZ: 21 April 2006 - 12:59 AM

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qlittlelemon, on Apr 21 2006, 12:32 AM, said:

Koreans adopted over 150 Han Chinese surnames from China,because Koreans' ancestors didn't have individual family names.

Korean nationals mostly of northern nomadic heritage,not Han Chinese origin.

who are the northern nomadics of yours?

[qrasy]

In 百家姓, the surname 金 ranks quite high, higher than 梁 or 劉:

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趙錢孫李　周吳鄭王　馮陳褚衛　蔣沈韓楊　
朱秦尤許　何呂施張 孔曹嚴華　金魏陶姜　

http://ef.cdpa.nsysu.../ccw/06/sur.htm

edit: see? 阮 is above 鐘 and 鄧.

This post has been edited by qrasy: 22 April 2006 - 02:31 AM

[Gubook Janggoon]

DearCoolZ, on Apr 20 2006, 10:14 PM, said:

pak means white

Actually Baek is the word for white. The surname Baek may be derrived from the predecessor to the modern Korean term Balkda. Which means "To be bright"

DearCoolZ, on Apr 20 2006, 10:14 PM, said:

what are you talking about? pak(bai in mandarin) is a pretty popular surname in china,there were famous chinese with bai in ancient china,namely,bai juyi, a famous poet from tang china.

Once again, this confusion stems from the confusion between the word for white "Baek" and the surname "Bak". I'm not sure at all if Bak is a surname in Chinese.

DearCoolZ, on Apr 20 2006, 10:14 PM, said:

one of the korean president 卢泰愚(lu taiyu),dunno know how to type in korean. he has visted shandong many times to honor his ancestors. and even roh myuhyun said himself that,one of his ancestor came from shandong. it was on a chinese news channel,i think it was cctv9.

Roh Taewoo. Do you have an actual tangible source for all of this?

[DearCoolZ]

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Roh Taewoo. Do you have an actual tangible source for all of this?

yes




I'm not really good at translation,so i will just sum it up for you

The title of this news is: Ex Korean president Roh Tae Woo going to shandong for ancestor worshiping



Roh tae woo was invided by the chinese diapolmatic association to shandong. roh visted the mountain of taishan and some other villages. the article says that Roh originated from shandong, changqing perfecture's ancient lu kingdom. President Roh also attened the opening ceramony of world's Roh study research association, he also gave a speech.

this news article was recorded in 2000

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韩国前总统卢泰愚到山东祭祖
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　　中新社济南六月十九日电(袁崇和张勇)韩国前总统卢泰愚应中国人民外交学会邀请来华访问，六月十六日，卢泰愚一行抵达山东省。在山东省期间，卢泰愚参观了泰山、曲阜并到长清县卢庄村祭祖。
　　根据韩国卢氏宗亲会的研究，卢氏祖先起源于山东省长清县内的古卢国，山东省史志办公室等有关单位的考证也与此相符。
　　十八日上午，卢泰愚一行兴致勃勃地参观了长清县卢庄村，参拜古卢王墓遗址，并植树留念。卢泰愚还出席了在长清召开的世界卢氏源流研究会创立大会开幕式，并发表了热情洋溢的讲话。(完） 　

　



http://info.westpowe...power&nid=60820

another source

http://www.zbta.gov....wh/lywh-yj1.php





here is a nice article on the similarity between korean and the chu culture,it also mentioned the origin of the surname Roh. But its in chinese,you might want to find someone ot translate it for you tho.


http://tech.163.com/...MQOG0009rt.html







here is a source that says that roh myuhyun also had Roh ancestor from china
http://www.51766.com...1100025736.html

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范阳卢氏是一个人才辈出、声名远播的宗族。仅从三国到唐代，正史记载的卢姓族人就达到八百余位。其中有宰相、尚书、刺史、太守、郡守等百余人。清代道光年间的两广总督、涿州人卢坤，是卢植的嫡系后裔。

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海外卢氏宗亲中，有韩国的两位总统卢泰愚、卢武铉。

无论是国内游客还是“老外”，人们来到范阳卢氏宗祠，来到卢植墓前，常常陷入沉思，常常流连忘返。或许是因为，对这里蕴涵的东方文化精神、对历经数千年而生生不息的民族基质，需要细细品味……

There are tons of news articles about Roh's vist to shandong in 2000,you can find them in here

http://www.baidu.com...7%E6%CF%C8&ct=0

[Gubook Janggoon]

Thanks for the sources. Can anyone confirm whether these individuals have Chinese ancestors or simply have names also found in China?

[wuTao]

I would view news articles discussing history with skepticism, unless they provide a source to their information. Newspaper articles are written by journalists, not historians in the academic community.

[qrasy]

Gubook Janggoon, on Apr 22 2006, 01:52 PM, said:

Actually Baek is the word for white. The surname Baek may be derrived from the predecessor to the modern Korean term Balkda. Which means "To be bright"

Or might be by phonetics?

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Once again, this confusion stems from the confusion between the word for white "Baek" and the surname "Bak". I'm not sure at all if Bak is a surname in Chinese.

白 and 朴, 2 different Hanjas (and readings). But I believe both are surnames in Korean. I can't find "朴" in the 百家姓.

Gubook Janggoon, on Apr 22 2006, 03:13 PM, said:

Thanks for the sources. Can anyone confirm whether these individuals have Chinese ancestors or simply have names also found in China?

How to confirm ? Both are possible.

wuTao, on Apr 22 2006, 03:23 PM, said:

I would view news articles discussing history with skepticism, unless they provide a source to their information. Newspaper articles are written by journalists, not historians in the academic community.

So I will believe that they will try to make the same thing when they see Vietnamese surnames.

This post has been edited by qrasy: 22 April 2006 - 02:33 AM

[DearCoolZ]

wuTao, on Apr 22 2006, 01:23 AM, said:

I would view news articles discussing history with skepticism, unless they provide a source to their information. Newspaper articles are written by journalists, not historians in the academic community.

did you even read the content?
they have cited academic sources(highlighted part),by your logic everything in the news are fake then?
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韩国前总统卢泰愚到山东祭祖
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　　中新社济南六月十九日电(袁崇和张勇)韩国前总统卢泰愚应中国人民外交学会邀请来华访问，六月十六日，卢泰愚一行抵达山东省。在山东省期间，卢泰愚参观了泰山、曲阜并到长清县卢庄村祭祖。
　　根据韩国卢氏宗亲会的研究，卢氏祖先起源于山东省长清县内的古卢国，山东省史志办公室等有关单位的考证也与此相符。
　　十八日上午，卢泰愚一行兴致勃勃地参观了长清县卢庄村，参拜古卢王墓遗址，并植树留念。卢泰愚还出席了在长清召开的世界卢氏源流研究会创立大会开幕式，并发表了热情洋溢的讲话。(完）

This post has been edited by DearCoolZ: 22 April 2006 - 02:36 AM