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Posted 25 August 2004 - 05:27 AM

1. Yelu Abaoji (Liao Taizu) A.D. 907-926

2. Yelu Deguang (Taizong) 927-947 (2nd son of Abaoji)

3. Yelu Ruan - Wuyu (Shizong) 947-951 (Abaoji's grandson - son of Abaoji's eldest son, Yelu Bei.

4. Yelu Jing (Muzong) 951-969 (son of Yelu Deguang)

5. Yelu Xian (Jingzong) 969-982 (son of Yelu Ruan - the remainder of the succession would stay in the line of Abaoji's FIRST son)

6. Yelu Longxu (Shengzong) 982-1031 (son of Yelu Xian)

7. Yelu Zongzhen (Xingzong) 1031-1055 (son of Yelu Longxu)

8. Yelu Hongji (Daozong) 1055-1101 (son of Yelu Zongzhen)

9. Yelu Yanxu (Tianzuo) 1101-1125 (grandson of Yelu Hongji - his father, Yelu Jun, died in 1077)

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Posted 25 August 2004 - 10:48 AM

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Posted 25 August 2004 - 11:32 AM

You might also want to add the rulers of the Western Liao (Karakhitai):

Emperor Tianyou 天佑 (Dezong 德宗), Yelu Dashi 耶律大石. Reigned 1124-1143 [there is much controversy about when the Western Liao was founded, but the most accepted theory is that Yelu Dashi assumed the title of king in 1123 or 1124, and only assumed the title of emperor in 1131 or 1132]

Empress Gantian 感天, Tabuyan 塔不烟. Reigned 1144-1150

Emperor Renzong 仁宗, Yelu Yilie 耶律夷列. Reigned 1151-1163

Empress Chengtian 承天, Yelu Pusuwan 耶律普速完. Reigned 1164-1177

Last Emperor (Mozhu 末主), Yelu Zhilugu 耶律直鲁古. Reigned 1178-1211.

In 1211, the chieftain of the Naiman 乃蛮 Mongols, Kücülüg or Kushlik (Chinese: Quchulü 屈出律) fled to the Western Liao after being defeated by Chinggis Khan. He overthrew Yelu Zhilugu and made himself the ruler, still using the state names of Western Liao and Karakhitai. In 1218, Chinggis Khan invaded the Western Liao and defeated Kücülüg, thus bringing the Western Liao state to an end. He then went on to destroy the Western Liao's allies, the Muslim Khwarizm empire.
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Posted 11 May 2005 - 04:14 PM

Specifically, what is the lineage connecting Emperor Tianyou to the preceeding Liao Emperors?

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  Posted 14 May 2005 - 08:18 PM

norenxaq, on May 11 2005, 04:14 PM, said:

Specifically, what is the lineage connecting Emperor Tianyou to the preceeding Liao Emperors?

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You can track it on the Ahnentafel which I composed of a Golden Hordite, (who, [according to one theory], was the father of Basarab, founder of the Voivodate of Vlachia, [one of his descendants thus being the historical 'Dracula'].), to be found at : http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=4211.
Each person's father is simply twice (2X) that person's number. Add one (1) more, and one has that person's mother. Küshlüg, Khan of the Naimans, was actually son-in-law of Ye-lü Chih-lu-ku, (Gur-Khan of the Kara-Khitai 1163-1211). Küshlüg Khan is #50. Chih-lu-ku is, therefore, #102. You can follow up from there by simply doubling the numbers.
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 12:49 AM

Grand Genealogist, on May 14 2005, 06:18 PM, said:

You can track it on the Ahnentafel which I composed of a Golden Hordite, (who, [according to one theory], was the father of Basarab, founder of the Voivodate of Vlachia, [one of his descendants thus being the historical 'Dracula'].), to be found at :  http://www.chinahist...?showtopic=4211.
      Each person's father is simply twice (2X) that person's number.  Add one (1) more, and one has that person's mother.  Küshlüg, Khan of the Naimans, was actually son-in-law of Ye-lü Chih-lu-ku, (Gur-Khan of the Kara-Khitai 1163-1211).  Küshlüg Khan is #50.  Chih-lu-ku is, therefore, #102.  You can follow up from there by simply doubling the numbers.
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it does. this chart mentions lady ts'ui, wife of Tuku Hsin as a descendant of the Dukes of Chao. Anyone have that
lineage?

Also, the idea that the Mongol ancestor, Borte Chino, being a member of the Yarlun Dynasty,
is something I consider a myth created by the Tibetans to please their Mongol overlords
when the latter controlled the region
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  Posted 15 May 2005 - 03:00 AM

norenxaq, on May 15 2005, 12:49 AM, said:

[T]he idea that the Mongol ancestor, Borte Chino, [Bortë Chino[b]ë[/b]] being a member of the Yarlun Dynasty, is something I consider a myth  created by the Tibetans to please their Mongol overlords when the latter controlled the region
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Very probably. Yet we do have a Tufan prince fleeing to Mongolia at just this time. I consider the possibility of a Yar-Lun ancestry far more likely than a lupine ancestry, (regardless of how blue). This COULD be quite a stimulating discussion!
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Posted 15 May 2005 - 03:52 AM

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this chart mentions lady ts'ui, wife of Tuku Hsin as a descendant of the Dukes of Chao. Anyone have that
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Problem is, I haven't even been able to find the actual reference in the primary sources that Dugu Xin's wife was a Cui.
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Posted 16 May 2005 - 03:41 PM

Yun, on May 15 2005, 03:52 AM, said:

Problem is, I haven't even been able to find the actual reference in the primary sources that Dugu Xin's wife was a Cui.
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I had modified the chart at http://groups.yahoo....riental_Royalty,
but had forgotten that I had, also. posted it here. It is now amended here, as well.

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  Posted 24 March 2006 - 06:11 AM

Thanks guys...
All the while i thought Liao was in Vietnam..
Now I know it was in the Inner Mongolia..
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View PostGenghis_Khan, on Mar 24 2006, 11:11 AM, said:

Thanks guys...
All the while i thought Liao was in Vietnam..
Now I know it was in the Inner Mongolia..
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Thy were centered in Manchria, the eastern part of Inner Mongolia, parts of the Russian Far East and the northern part of China Proper.
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Posted 16 July 2009 - 07:06 AM

What were the series of events in politics, external events over the last 30 years of Liao dynasty which led to the downfall of Liao dynasty?
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Posted 17 July 2009 - 08:30 PM

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What were the series of events in politics, external events over the last 30 years of Liao dynasty which led to the downfall of Liao dynasty?


"Liao’s inability to settle on a regular system of succession to the Imperial throne was a critical problem for their survival. In the Khitan pre-dynastic state, the tribal chiefs would convene and elect the next leader. The Chinese, however, favored a hereditary system. As a result, clashes repeatedly arose between different elite factions about the principles of succession. At the same time, conflicts reared up between the nomadic pastoral Khitan and the more sinicized Liao court elites. The traditional lifestyle was pitted against the increasingly Chinese values that began to characterize the Khitan in the south. These internal struggles weakened the Liao.

The dynasty’s neighbors and subordinates capitalized on such disharmony and the ensuing disarray at the Liao court. The Bohai people of Manchuria rebelled and sought assistance from the Jurchen, a Tungusic people who previously accepted the supremacy of the Liao. Aguda, a capable Jurchen military leader, challenged Liao control, and in 1115 proclaimed himself emperor of the Jin dynasty. The Song, renouncing the Treaty of Shanyuan, also attacked the Liao, but without much success. Nonetheless, these hostilities made the Liao vulnerable and facilitated the Jurchen’s final defeat of the dynasty in 1125.

The Khitan did not immediately disappear. Yelu Dashi, a descendant of the Imperial family, led remnants of the Khitan military and their families westward to modern Xinjiang and neighboring regions in Central Asia to found the Khara Khitai (in Chinese, Xi, or Western, Liao) dynasty, which survived until the Mongol conquest of 1211. Some capable Khitan officials who remained in China served later dynasties. Yelu Chucai (1189-1243), the most prominent such official, helped Chinggis Khan (r. 1206-1227) and his son and successor Ögödei (r. 1229-1241) devise institutions suitable for ruling China.

The Liao was the first foreign dynasty that sought to combine its traditional system of governance with the Chinese administrative structure. It succeeded for about two hundred years and served as a model for other foreigners, including the Mongols, who attempted to rule China."

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Posted 26 April 2010 - 10:46 PM

Hi, I just wondering is true or not 'Liao' is same with "Liang Dynasty' ??
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Posted 28 April 2010 - 10:40 PM

View PostGeneral_Zhaoyun, on 25 August 2004 - 10:48 AM, said:

I'll pin this up..

I don't understand the need to post or pin up list of rulers. There is more detailed (and reliable) information in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia....ynasty_907-1125

View Postfeilong, on 26 April 2010 - 10:46 PM, said:

Hi, I just wondering is true or not 'Liao' is same with "Liang Dynasty' ??

No, they are totally different. The Liao Dynasty was a state founded by Khitan people in what is now Manchuria, Mongolia, and northern China; it lasted from 907 until 1125. It existed at the same time as the Song Dynasty. The Liang Dynasty was one of the southern dynasties during the Northern and Southern Dynasties Period (420–589); it lasted from 502 until 557.
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