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Kenneth
It was asked of me whether errors had been found in Menzies work outside the NZ section & if the ''general thesis'' stands.
Check out the comments by linguists, historians, map experts and just plain common sense reviewers (below) if you still consider that likely.
Even a glance at his map showing the long route of the Chinese fleet above arctic Russia through ice packs between the Pacific & Atlantic oceans begs the question what sort of navy mariner was Menzies? I suggest people consult Giles Milton for detailed accounts of 17th century repeated attempts by Dutch and English searching for this non-existent route. It makes for grim reading.
Even on page 1 the Menzies book is fantastic.
Menzies says in his recent edition postscript as a conclusion (paraphrased)
The history of Australia & New Zealand and America is being re-written....and it is not by historians or academics but by the readers!
Therein lies the problem.

Now even a Chinese politician visiting Australia tells the crowd '...since Chinese discovered here in 1420'.
There is a movie deal being negotiated, as well as TV series.

It reminds me of the saying....."if you say it three times it becomes the truth"
To do justice to all the ancient mariners including Zheng He then the fallacies of Menzies & Bell must be exploded.
Look beyond the 1421 website and you will see this has been done again & again...but the public doesnt look beyond this awful book.
Consider; The only book ever read on the Ming dynasty by many Westerners will be the Menzies book.
It is poison.
The mysteries only come from Menzies own confusion and distortions.
Areas underlined below will save readers some time, but do not doubt that Menzies is a incompetent hack. Take a look if you are a still believer. Browse your eyes accross the selection underlined if the lenght is ponderous.
The truth is out there X-filers!

Yes, I am pissed off. He misrepresented some arcaeological sites that I put effort into recording properly. He entirely left out proper research and peer review.
What he is left with is a work of fiction....but the book and the website calls it history.
My situation is not unique. He did no better job anywhere he turned his attention.

If you think Menzies might have got even a little bit of research correct then consider this is only about 1/2 hour of googling.
I will be adding to this thread over time.
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(extract of) Review By Dan Gibson. http://nabataea.net/1421.html
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Menzies pieces together many types of evidence, but do they stand up to scrutiny? Let's examines some....

First, Menzies claims on page 103 that there are inscriptions on a large red sandstone rock some 3 meters high, standing on the Cape Verde Islands in the Atlantic, which he photographed. Interestingly enough he does not provide us with any copies of his photographs, or even line drawings of the inscriptions, which he claims are in the Malayalam language (a language spoken by millions of people in south India). Menzies then claims that the Chinese carved these Malayalam inscriptions, which he never translates for us. He simply mentions them and then moves on to ancient maps....

....Unfortunately, Menzies doesn't seem to have actually had a good look at the writing on the Piri Reis map, for the Turkish admiral clearly states on each part of his world map from where he obtained the information. In the corner of the map, near South America and Antarctica is the following inscription in Turkish (using the Arabic script):

This section shows in what way this map was drawn. In this century there is no map like this map in anyone's possession. The hand of this poor man has drawn it and now it is constructed. From about twenty charts and Mappae Mundi: these are charts drawn in the days of Alexander, Lord of the Two Horns, which show the inhabited quarter of the world; the Arabs name these charts Jaferiye-from eight Jaferiyes of that kind and one Arabic map of Hind, (India) and from the maps just drawn by four Portuguese ... and also from a map drawn by Colombo in the western region I have extracted it. By reducing all these maps to one scale this final form was arrived at. So that the present map is as correct and reliable for the Seven Seas as the map of these our countries is considered correct and reliable by seamen."

This part of the map was clearly drawn from several other earlier maps. The Caribbean section was taken from a map made by Columbus. The South America section was drawn from maps made during the time of Alexander the Great and his Generals who followed. It mentions Alexander, Lord of the Two Horns, (This could refer to Alexander the Great, or Ptolemy II, who collected maps at the Great Library in Alexandria.) It clearly mentions that Arabs created the original maps of this part of the world during the time of the Alexanders, not the Chinese less than a century earlier. Much of Menzies' arguments fail here.

What is puzzling about this is that Menzies lists a number of scholars in his footnotes that all clearly communicate what the notes on the side of the map state. Is Menzies deliberately trying to mislead us by failing to tell us about them or was his research so sloppy that he missed such an important point (which undermines every reference he makes to the Peri Reis Map. Perhaps Menzies was so intent in trying to find evidence for the Chinese that he simply missed such an important statement....

...A few pages later, Menzies claims that Megellan knew where to find the straight that separated South America from Antarctica, and that he sailed straight for it presumably because he had maps showing where the straight was. He then infers that the Portuguese gained this information from the Chinese, rather than informing us that Megallan had an Arab navigator on board who 'guided' him on his journey.

Menzies' chapter on the first colony in America proposes that a Chinese junk sank in the Sacramento River and that the survivors built a colony about seventy miles north-west of the wreck. Menzies quotes several studies, but does not provide us with the names of these studies, or indeed any footnotes that would help a researcher check out his claims. This lack of footnoting is very frustrating as the reader cannot check further into Menzies' sources. ...

....Menzies continues his errors into the next chapter, noting on page 243 "the Portuguese simply did not have the capacity to survey the islands with such accuracy - for the cartography of Antilia was amazingly good. I concluded that it could only have been the Chinese." This type of argument lacks credibility. Just because the Portuguese possessed maps of greater accuracy than their scientific ability could produce is not evidence that the Chinese made them. If it wasn't the Chinese, then it could have been anyone, including the Arabs who had long sailed the world and who may have been the first to develop the science of astronomy, giving us the names of 360 stars.

...The same goes for the following chapter where Menzies describes (pg 276) how explorer after explorer in the New World came across fair skinned people with white tunics. Were these Chinese as the book supposes or were these people of other races? This kind of speculation is interesting, but it is certainly not conclusive proof the Chinese ever arriving in the Caribbean.

...On page 285 Menzies protests that Syrian or Egyptian sailors would never have reached the Atlantic, and that their women would not have been taken on long voyages. If only Menzies had bothered to read the notes on the side of the Piri Reis map, where it boldly proclaims that Arab sailors visited the shores of North and South America during the time of the Ptolemy rulers.

Menzies has put together some interesting evidence, such as the carved stone on the island of Corvo off the coast of Portugal which displays a man seated upon a horse, his head uncovered and bald, his left hand on his horse and his right hand pointing towards the west. Below the rock is writing that has not been translated. Sorry, no pictures, no pen drawings, and no further mention of it, not even on the website.

...In chapter fifteen Menzies continues along the same logic. He mentions the Portuguese Cantino map of 1502 and then states …"My belief that it was based on information obtained form the Chinese voyages of 1421 -3 arose from Portuguese historian Antonio Galvao's comment about the map…." Which simply states that they had maps of the east. In the very next paragraph Menzies quotes from King Joao II of Portugal to his explorers "He recommended him very much to enquire whether beyond the Cape of Good Hope it was possible to navigate to India…. Then the king sent two of his trustworthy men who could speak Arabic well and were experienced travelers…."

No mention of speaking Chinese, just Arabic. At appears that Menzies has totally missed the fact that the Arabs were the sea merchants of the Indian Ocean (and beyond) from the time of Christ until the 1500's. He totally missed the fact that during the period before the Chinese fleet set sail there were over 100,000 Arab and Persian merchants living in Canton China! There were so many foreign merchants that strife had arisen between them and the Chinese. This is all well documented. It was Arabs who traded between Europe, India and China. It was Arabs who invented navigation and much of astronomy. It was Arabs who had mapped much of the globe. It was Arabs who brought merchant trade to China. And so the Portuguese King advised the explorers to take along Arabic speaking men not Chinese speaking men! But for some reason Menzies thinks this is somehow proof of a Chinese connection!

On page 332 Menzies claims to have examined a collection of old Arab maps and states, "the best Arabic medieval maps, such as those of Al Idrisi, bear no comparison in detail or accuracy to the Cantino of 1502. Although the Arabs understood how to calculate longitude by lunar eclipse, they never mastered how to measure time, with the necessary accuracy, something that the Chinese achieved, and hence the Arabs could not have produced the Cantino or the Waldseemuller chart." (See http://www.encyclopedia.mu/Nature/Geography/Maps/Arabic.htm for Al Idrisi's World Map)
And so in two sentences, Menzies dismissed an age old question of who developed these technologies first. Rather than researching the writings of various scholars on either side of this argument, Menzies looks at the Arab maps in the British Library and dismissed the Arabs. So, if it was not the Arabs, then it MUST have been the Chinese!

In Chapter 16 Menzies begins to describe to us the world from a 1470's Portuguese perspective, admitting that "Arabs had sailed over the whole known world for centuries." He admits that the Portuguese copied Arab ship designs in order to begin their sailing ventures. He admits that the Portuguese solved the problems of latitude with help from the Arabs, and that they used the Arab names for the star navigation, Arab charts and Arab navigators to guide them. He admits that the Portuguese learned from the Arabs that the Spice Islands could be reached by sailing west, rather than east. And then, much to our surprise, he insists that the maps that the Portuguese used were of Chinese origin. He states "One can only imagine the extraordinary impact these carts, based on the Chinese voyages of 1421 to 1423 must have had on the Europeans …" Excuse me, but I fail to catch the connection. After 14 pages of describing Arab accomplishments, the Chinese are suddenly credited with the production of the maps! Menzies' only connection with the Chinese is through Da Conti, who returned from the East by 1424, in disguise because he had converted to Islam. But Menzies is convinced that Da Conti sailed with the Chinese around Africa to the shores of Portugal. Interestingly enough, Da Conti's journals make no mention of this trip, neither the Chinese, nor Chinese navigators. Where did Menzies get his facts? He didn't. He simply implies that the Portuguese must have gotten their maps from the Chinese.

....In conclusion, let's ask another question. What nations of the world were very self focused, occupied by nomadic barbarians for great periods of time, and had periods of history where leaving their shores was forbidden? Ancient China comes immediately to mind. From 618 AD to 907 AD all foreign relations were banned in China. From 1264 AD - 1356 AD sea trade was slowly expanded so that Chinese junks began sailing to East China seas once again.

Then in 1421 China broke with their traditional history and launched a fleet of merchant ships. The huge fleet of Admiral Zheng He made at least one voyage around the Indian ocean before China again became self focused. In 1433 this exploration suddenly ceased. The emperor banned all merchants from going abroad. Sea travel was forbidden once again and all exploration suddenly ceased. Did China travel the world, carefully mapping out distant coasts along Antarctica and America? Menzies' book is the only one suggesting such an idea, and he does little to convince historians that he has uncovered any solid evidence to support his claims.




1421http://itre.cis.upenn.edu/~myl/languagelog/archives/2004_02.html
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Mark Liberman and Geoff Pullum's recent posts on talking parrots draw attention to the gullibility and ignorance of some journalists in matters linguistic. Sometimes it seems like there is no end to the linguistic claptrap that we must endure. Another example is the book 1421: The Year China Discovered America by Gavin Menzies. ...

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The thesis of 1421 is that in the years 1421-1423 a Chinese fleet commanded by admiral Zheng He circumnavigated the globe, along the way visiting the Americas and Australia. That this expedition took place is a matter of record, well known to historians. You can read about it in Louise Levathes' book When China Ruled the Seas: The Treasure Fleet of the Dragon Throne 1405-1433. It is undisputed that the Chinese reached as far as East Africa. What is new and controversial is whether they reached West Africa, the Americas, Antarctica, and Australia. Either way, it would make a great movie.

Reviews have been mixed. The New York Times was critical, as were The Asian Review of Books and Publisher's Weekly, but other publications, such as the Salt Lake Tribune, Science News, The Christian Science Monitor, and The Asian Reporter have been positive. Nonetheless, 1421 has been a major commercial success. Published in January, 2003 in hardcover by HarperCollins, a major publisher, it immediately reached the New York Times best-seller list. The paperback edition is currently number 23 in the paperback non-fiction category. It has been translated into a dozen languages. Menzies spoke at the National Press Club, the Asia Society, and Stanford University. A documentary is reported to be forthcoming. According to Library Journal, nearly 50 companies bid for the television rights.

{Note; A movie deal is said to have already been struck...refer to my earlier comments as Menzies as historical poison}

The first linguistic point raised in the book (p. 104) concerns an inscription found in the Cape Verde islands off the West coast of Africa, which Menzies attributes to Zheng He. Unable to identify the writing system, he wonders whether it is an Indian writing system and faxes a query to the Bank of India, which informs him that it is Malayalam. Unfamiliar with Malayalam, he asks where it was spoken and whether it was in use in the 15th century. According to Menzies, the Bank of India responded as follows:

Yes, it had been in common use since the ninth century. It has largely ceased to be spoken today, though it is still used in a few outlying coastal districts on the Malabar coast.
In fact, Malayalam is spoken by over 35 million people. It doesn't seem likely that the Bank of India was unaware of the principal language of Kerala State, one of the national languages specified in Schedule Eight of the Constitution of India. Maybe they were pulling Menzies' leg, or maybe he just can't get his facts straight. Whatever the problem may have been, this exemplifies his peculiar approach to research and the failure of his publisher to perform the most elementary fact checking. It's not like this is obscure information known only to specialists, available only at secret annual cabals. If you want basic information about a language, such as where it is spoken and by how many people, all you have to do is check the Ethnologue. If you don't know to do that, a Google search for "Malayalam language" produces 185,000 hits. For those without internet access, Malayalam will be found in any encyclopaedia.

Assuming that there is an inscription in Malayalam in the Cape Verde Islands, what does this tell us about Zheng He's voyage? Is there evidence that it dates to the 1420s? Whenever it was made, isn't the most likely hypothesis that an Indian made it? The content of the inscription might shed light on this, but although much is made of the writing system, we never find out what it says!

Moving on, at p. 226 we read:

Until the late nineteenth century, villagers in a mountain village of Peru spoke Chinese.
Even if this is true, this hardly demonstrates pre-Columbian contact between China and Peru. These Chinese-speakers could be the result of immigration to Peru in the nearly four-hundred years since the Spanish conquest.

Menzies continues:

There is also linguistic evidence of Chinese visits to South America. A sailing ship is chamban in Colombia, sampan in China; a raft, balsa in South America and palso in China; a log raft, jangada in Brazil, ziangada in Tamil.
We aren't told which of the 98 languages of Colombia, the 234 languages of Brazil, or the roughly 700 of South America as a whole, these words come from. In any case, isolated similarities like these are meaningless; it is easy to find a few words similar in sound and meaning in any two languages. At least two of the three examples here are wrong. You'd think that a Royal Navy man would know that a sampan is not a sailing ship; it is a small boat usually propelled by two oars. There is no Chinese word palso meaning "raft"; no Chinese syllable ends in /l/. And even if the pair of words for "log raft" are correct and their resemblance is not accidental, how would this prove contact between China and Brazil? Menzies is apparently assuming that the only way a Tamil word could get to Brazil is via Zheng He's fleet, and that it is likely that Brazilians would borrow a word for something with which they were no doubt already familiar from the tiny minority of Tamil speakers who might have accompanied the Chinese fleet.

[Update (2004/02/03): Kevin Ryan has pointed out that the Tamil form ziangada is also spurious. It is phonologically impossible since Tamil has no [z] sound and since the retroflex approximant sometimes romanized <z> (Tamil ழ) cannot appear in initial position. When I asked them about this form, Dravidianist Harold Schiffman agreed with Ryan, and Tamil scholar and native speaker Vasu Renganathan said that he knew no such word.]

Menzies gives further evidence of contact between China and the New World on p. 414:

Like the Waldseemüller chart, another map of Vancouver Island, called `colonie chinois' by its Venetian cartographer, Antonio Zatta, was published before Vancouver or Cook `discovered' the island. The Squamish Indians there have more than forty words in common with Chinese, including tsil (wet), also tsil in Chinese; chi (wood), which is chin in Chinese; and tsu (grandmother), which is etsu.
Menzies does not give the other 37 putatively similar words in Chinese and Squamish, nor does he cite sources for the Chinese and Squamish words. The fact that he is wrong about where the Squamish live (their territory is on the mainland of British Columbia, just north of the city of Vancouver, not on Vancouver Island) does not give confidence in his data. In any case, the examples that he does provide are dubious. Not one of the three words claimed to be Chinese is identifiable as Chinese.

The additional evidence to be found on the website isn't any better. Here's a doozy:

Linguistic groups - The Chinese, Basque and Navajo languages all belong to the Dene-Caucasian language group. Could this be coincidence, or could the fact that Zheng He's fleets visited all of these areas have resulted in such a linguistic distribution?
To begin with, the hypothesis that Basque, the North Caucasian languages, the Sino-Tibetan languages (which include Chinese), and the Athabaskan-Eyak-Tlingit languages (which include Navajo), form a language family is not generally accepted by historical linguists. The evidence for it is very weak. But supposing they do, what could Menzies be arguing here? Does he think that Navajo and the other AET languages are the descendants of Chinese brought to North America in the 15th century? To anyone familiar with both Chinese and Athabskan, it is extremely implausible that Chinese could have been so transformed in only a few hundred years, or could have differentiated into more than forty diverse languages ranging from the Southwestern United States to Alaska. And where do Basque and North Caucasian fit in? Does he really think that Basque and the North Caucasian languages only reached their current locations in the 1420s?

Here's one more gem from the web site:

American Indian names which are Chinese (Martin Tai)
Columbus' arrival: met Indians = Yin dian (people from Yin [China])
Pizarro: Inca = Yin ka (people who live in Yin)
Vancouver: Inuit = Yin uit (people originating in Yin)
Here again it takes some effort to work out exactly what argument he intends to make. It seems to go like this:

/yin/ is a Chinese word meaning "China"
Several native American peoples call themselves by names containing /yin/
These peoples would have adopted as their own name the Chinese visitors' name for themselves
To begin with, I am unable to identify /yin/ as a Chinese word meaning "Chinese". The closest I can come is /yen/ 燕, the old name for the Beijing area. But surely people from all over China identified themselves as coming from China, not Beijing. Second, Menzies offers no account of the second part of each word, the residue after removing (y)in. None of the three make sense as Chinese. Third, it seems highly unlikely that people would adopt as their own ethnonym the name of foreign visitors. Finally, there are problems with each of the individual examples:

The word Indian is not the term by which the people first encountered by Columbus, the Taino, called themselves. It is a term that the Spanish applied to the inhabitants of the Americas, which they initially believed to be part of Asia.

The Inca did not call themselves Inka. In their language, Quechua, inka means "ruler, person of royal lineage".

As for Inuit, this is the plural of inuk. The /k/ is an inherent part of the word. Here is an extract from the entry in the Comparative Eskimo Dictionary With Aleut Cognates by Michael Fortescue, Steven Jacobson, and Larry Kaplan published in 1994 by the Alaska Native Language Center, p. 137:
PE [proto-Eskimoan] iŋuɣ or inuɣ `human being' ... this base, the orginal Eskimo ethnonym, is everywhere attested also in the senses `resident spirit', `core of boil' and `chick in egg'; cf. also perhaps Aleut iŋisxi-X `owner', ...
Menzies' decomposition into /yin/ and /uit/ is incorrect.

The linguistic "evidence" in 1421 is a joke.

It's sad that a major publisher obviously didn't do even the most elementary fact-checking or have the manuscript read by people competant to evaluate it, but it is worse that such nonsense has become a best-seller and is soon to be made into a documentary. What I want to know is, are the purveyors of this tripe incompetent? Or do they simply not care about the truth of their "non-fiction"?

[Update (2004/02/03): David Nash has brought two recent news items to my attention. There is a skeptical piece by Ken Ringle in the Washington Post of 12 January 2004 (p. C01). It reports that Menzies defended his work by pointing to the fact that:

...last October, Chinese President Hu Jintao told the Australian Parliament in Canberra that Ming Dynasty explorers had discovered Australia in the 1420s.
[update (2004/02/06): Courtesy of David Nash, here is the relevant passage from President Hu's address on Friday, 24 October 2003 to the Joint Meeting of the House and Senate of the Australian Parliament, as recorded in the Hansard at page 21,697, available here and here [PDF file].

Though located in different hemispheres and separated by high seas, the people of China and Australia enjoy a friendly exchange that dates back centuries. The Chinese people have all along cherished amicable feelings about the Australian people. Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China's Ming dynasty reached Australian shores. For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what was called 'the southern land', or today's Australia.]

A politician's endorsement doesn't carry any weight in my book. Indeed, I think that this is rather disturbing. A Chinese invasion of Australia does not seem imminent, but this exemplifies the sort of real world trouble that claims like this can cause. It's best that they be based on real evidence. It is also worth pointing out that even if Zheng He visited Australia in the 1420s, he couldn't have "discovered" it; Australia had already been inhabited for at least forty thousand years.

The Contra Costa Times of 25 January 2004 reports that Menzies will not be going ahead with a dig to find a purported Chinese junk in Glenn County, California due to the insistence of one of the three landowners involved that he receive all television revenues that may result from the dig. The article contains a skeptical statement by Chico State University archaeologist Greg White.]




http://www.kenspy.com/Menzies/review1.html
Extract from a rebuttal of Menzies'

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Most of his delusions arise from elementary methodological errors. Dearth of Chinese documents, he admits, drove him to scour European maps for support for his conclusions. Anyone familiar with medieval maps knows their data should never be accepted without corroboration, for no other type of document is so vulnerable to emendation and forgery. Moreover, it was the normal practice of cartographers of the day to fill their maps, beyond the limits of the known, with speculative lands and seas. Mr Menzies is indifferent to these reasons for caution. He repeatedly tells us that 'as soon as' he compared old maps with new ones he 'saw at once' resemblances which he seems to think eluded earlier scrutineers.

His conclusions become boringly predictable: a slip or squiggle on an old map means someone 'must have' seen and charted some real topographical feature. And who could the discoverer be but a member of the Chinese expeditions of the 1420s? According to a sample of the author's reasoning, 'their landfall [in South America] must have been around the Orinoco delta, for the Piri Reis map shows they had surveyed that small part of the coast with great accuracy.' But the Piri Reis map dates from 1513 and was compiled with access to the charts of European explorers who were well acquainted with that coast by then. Like all the weirdest theories, those of Mr Menzies also rely on flagrantly wishful readings of toponyms. The word 'con' on a speculative island on a fifteenth-century map is wrenched to mean 'volcano' and is instantly, bewilderingly transformed into 'solid evidence that someone had reached the Caribbean and established a secret colony there.'

To reckless reliance on misread maps, Mr Menzies adds childish misuse of objects of material culture. He infers 'early Chinese presence' in Mexico from items which are indeed old and Chinese but which were introduced to the country of their present location in recent times. Are there Chinese silks in the Philippines or pepper in Peking? They must have been brought by his pet explorers, rather than arriving as the documents say they arrived, by the normal processes of trade. Are there bananas in Hawaii or sweet potatoes in Polynesia? His Chinese must have taken them there. Is there an unusual ruin in Newport? Mr Menzies makes it out to be a Chinese astronomical observatory. Cynocephali – a decorative favourite with medieval mapmakers – are misrepresented as giant sloths trapped by the Chinese in Chile and transported to Peking. And 'how could drawings of cossacks have been made' in a Chinese book 'without a visit to the Arctic?' Instances of this breathtaking logic are legion. 'The Incas had a word for chicken at least forty years before the arrival of the conquerors' and so must have got it from the Chinese. Chickens, indeed, are a favourite preoccupation of our author. 'I had lived in Malaysia,' he enthuses in a characteristic passage, 'and remembered well how the morning call of Asiatic hens – kik-kiri-kee – was markedly different from the c**k-a-doodle-doo of their European counterparts;' so when he awakens in Peru to 'the familiar kik-kiri-kee' he leaps to a conclusion which will no longer surprise the reader. wink.gif

The author's quest for the routes of the Chinese explorers follows not only chickens but also canards, wild geese and absolute turkeys. No doubt it will lead to big sales among readers of the Daily Star and Sunday Sport. It is the historical equivalent of stories about Elvis Presley in Tesco and close encounters with alien hamsters. It will mislead many and disillusion many more, setting back efforts to get western readers to acknowledge the real achievements of Chinese science and navigation of the middle ages. The publishers and PR types who have clustered round Mr Menzies with contracts for TV and syndication-rights are callous exploiters of vulgar sensationalism. Their protégé, however, seems honestly inebriated by those bar-room nights or enraptured by prayerful helpings of bacon sandwiches. Or maybe he is a devilishly clever ironist. One feature of the book suggests this: the alleged trail of the Chinese explorers from Mexico to Arnhem Land via Ruapuke {here he brings in NZ} is marked by what our author claims are documented sightings of 'men in white garments', who, he concludes, can only have been members of the Chinese expeditions. Perhaps, however, they were figments of a prophetic vision: the real men in white coats may yet be on their way.

Posted with the permission of the author, Dr. Felipe Fernandez-Armesto. Article to be in an upcoming issue of Literary Review (London, UK).





http://www.asianreviewofbooks.com/arb/arti...php?article=201

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As a work of historical fiction, 1421: THE YEAR CHINA DISCOVERED THE WORLD would have been thought-provoking and a good yarn: intrepid Chinese admirals sailing the seven seas, meeting exotic alien peoples, boldly going where no civilized man had gone before in a sort of a 15th century Star Trek.

But, unfortunately, the book is presented as a collection of statements of fact.

According to author GAVIN MENZIES, 15th century Ming fleets sailed around the Cape of Good Hope, up the coast of Africa, across the Atlantic, down the coast of South America, through the Magellan Straits, down to Antarctica, over to Australia, around to Massachusetts, up to Greenland (where for some reason they attacked the hapless Norse inhabitants), leaving colonies, inter-marriage and shipwrecks in their wake.

It would be nice if there were some evidence. I searched in vain for a potsherd, reliable carbon-14 date (these, Menzies tells us, are still being done), inscription, anything. Even when Menzies claims to have seen the evidence, he does not reproduce it. In one telling passage, he tells of his discovery of an inscription in Cape Verde in an unrecognizable script. Does he send it to the British Museum? A university? No. Noting that it looks like scripts on Indian banknotes, he sends it to the Bank of India, who pronounce that "it looks like Malayalam." Well, good: so it should be decipherable. Are we provided with a translation? No. Is the inscription reproduced in the book? No.

In short, Menzies seems to have considerable difficulty with what one would consider normal historical and archaeological investigation and evaluation. He seems to take every inscription and written report at face value, without regard for possible hyperbole, politics, propaganda, superstition or ignorance. If there is an inscription saying that Zheng He visited "3000 countries", then it must be true. If there is a report of a local myth about "yellow people" settling in the community or "boats like houses" sailing by, then this must have happened.

The book has a number of factual errors, which even I can identify, such as claiming that the Chinese picked up some mylodons (extinct giant sloths) when they stopped by Patagonia{These are the giant sloth they left to breed in NZ!} rolleyes.gif .

Menzies standard of proof typically runs as follows: identify some cultural feature (the evidence for which is usually far from solid), claim that the 1421 voyages are the "only" explanation, while at the same time ignoring (or being ignorant of) other similar cultural features that would tend to provide alternate explanations or contradict his. One distressing example: after quoting Verranzano's description of a visit up past what is now New England, Menzies says: "Verranzano was comparing elegant people with brass-coloured skin to the much darker and more uncouth people he had met farther south. He referred twice to "... their clothes -- dresses rather than the furs and animal skins worn by the people he had encountered previously". In other words, relatively civilized people with light skins could not possibly be indigenous.

This is at best intellectually sloppy. But large sections of the book are just whimsy: "When the Chinese met the people of Mexico it is highly probable that they would have been shown Palenque, the finest Mayan city." I admit, this is perhaps the worst example in the book, so it is slightly unfair to quote it, but nevertheless, it is hard to take the book seriously when Menzies has the Chinese inventing the group tour as well as paper money.

All of this is rather unfortunate, because Menzies is an engaging writer. He takes valid points which deserve elaboration -- e.g. that the study of history has for too long been Eurocentric and that there are undoubtedly many cross-cultural contacts that we do not yet know about -- and pushes them to make what I consider to be "political" points, e.g. that Columbus did not "discover" America and Cook did not "discover" Australia. But we already knew that.

He seems to have largely missed the point. There is considerable evidence of both trans-Pacific and trans-Atlantic pre-Columbian contact in the Americas. However, while these incidences are fascinating, the historical question is, regardless of who got to point X first, what happened next? Now of course, it was not Columbus's voyage that started the development we now call the Age of Exploration which in turn lead to an era of global expansion and trade that ultimately ushered in the modern age. But his landfall in the New World in 1492 (even if, contrary to Menzies's assertions, he didn't know where he was) is a convenient and not entirely inaccurate place to put the main historical milestone.

And it was Captain Cook that started, for better or worse, the developments that led to the modern nations of Australia and New Zealand.

If Zheng He and Co. really did visit the Americas and Australia, it was a historical dead-end. Perhaps as a result, Menzies also seems to want to demonstrate that the only reason the latter-day Western explorers set out on their voyages was that they already had accurate charts based on the Chinese "discoveries" and so already knew where they were going, and that therefore the explorers were not as "great" as we thought they are, that they did not just set sail into the unknown. But we knew that already, too.

I need to say that the Chinese voyages Menzies posits are (probably) not impossible; after all, prehistoric Malay peoples sailed all the way to Madagascar and settled there; Polynesians found that speck of land we now call Easter Island, Thor Heyderdahl crossed oceans on bundles of reeds. In addition, it seems quite possible that Chinese geographical knowledge found its way into the maps or at least the thinking of 15th century European explorers, along with similar information from the Arabs, Phoenicians, etc. plus a certain amount of mythology, logic and guesswork.

However, Menzies's proofs have a circular quality to them. He first posits that the Chinese did sail to the Americas and charted them. These charts play an important part in the argument, since there is no direct evidence of Chinese landfall in any of the places he mentions. These charts, he claims (again without direct evidence) traveled to Europe where there were then used by Western mapmakers. To demonstrate this, he takes Western maps, which he claims show actual geographical elements (as opposed to conjecture) that the Europeans could not possibly have known about (he claims) from their own prior experience or any other source of information close to hand, leaving the Chinese charts as the only possible source. Thus the Western charts become the evidence for the Chinese charts which he first used to explain the Western charts.

As I say, this is all most unfortunate. As our knowledge expands, it seems clear that pre-modern peoples knew a lot more than we have generally given them credit for, and that there were many cross-cultural contacts that we do not yet know about.

While one can understand Menzies's enthusiasm for the big story, the truth is ultimately more interesting.
snowybeagle
I don't know which is worse sad.gif

Readers who read Menzies' 1421 and think it's factual ...

OR ...

Readers who read Brown's Da Vinci's Code and think it's factual ... no.gif
fcharton
QUOTE(snowybeagle @ Apr 6 2006, 03:57 AM) [snapback]4801427[/snapback]
I don't know which is worse sad.gif

Readers who read Menzies' 1421 and think it's factual ...

OR ...

Readers who read Brown's Da Vinci's Code and think it's factual ... no.gif


I think it amounts to the same, disturbing, fact : many people prefer to believe in a nice story, no matter how unlikely, than in cold, and less appealing, facts.

Intellectually, I think people who believe in the Da Vinci code, those who refer to it as a "theory", or those who think the X-files is partly a documentary, are the worst, because it shows how higher education was lost on them. Menzies at least believes in some of his ideas, and tries to justify them, the Da Vinci code, or the X files are pure fiction, claimed as such by their authors, but some apparently have trouble with the word "fiction". It makes them look like fools.

On the other hand, these people cause no harm, just like little girls who believe in fairy tales, or teenagers who believe in elves and orcs are harmless.

Menzies theories are more disturbing because they can be used for political motives. Fabricating history is dangerous, because we base a lot of our conduct on the "lessons of history", if you learn the wrong lesson, you adopt the wrong conduct...

Francois
historylover
I recall watching a PBS documentary on Menzies and his theories. Basically he couldn't even field obvious discrepancies from his 'evidence' without looking baffled. Chinese historians also interviewed flatly stated there is no evidence to back up Menzies' assertions.

The history and political history of Zheng He voyages are tremendously fascinating. However, adding all this hooey about the discovery of America obscures the real accomplishments and intricacies of that period in Ming history. That's what 's truly lost.

A better popular book (not hard to be better) is Louise Levathes' "When China Ruled the Seas".

I wonder if members of the Royal Navy cringe everytime Menzies is mentioned as a 'former British submarine commander'.

"Captain, there's an underwater mountain dead ahead."
"No there isn't. FULL SPEED AHEAD."
"Sir, there really is an underwater mountain!"
"Look, who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?"
somechineseperson
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Review By Dan Gibson. http://nabataea.net/1421.html

....In conclusion, let's ask another question. What nations of the world were very self focused, occupied by nomadic barbarians for great periods of time, and had periods of history where leaving their shores was forbidden? Ancient China comes immediately to mind. From 618 AD to 907 AD all foreign relations were banned in China. From 1264 AD - 1356 AD sea trade was slowly expanded so that Chinese junks began sailing to East China seas once again.


I know people need to refute Menzies' theory, however, they still need to do so without contradicting historical facts themselves:

"From 618 AD to 907 AD all foreign relations were banned in China"

That is absolutely false. The early Tang dynasty was one of the most open eras in Chinese history. If all foreign relations were "banned", how did Nestorian Christianity arrive in China in 635 AD?

"From 1264 AD - 1356 AD sea trade was slowly expanded so that Chinese junks began sailing to East China seas once again."

That is not true either. Oceanic trade flourished during China's Song dynasty, it did not just begin to expand during the Mongol Yuan period. And Chinese sailors did sail in the Indian Ocean as well, Indian Ocean trade was not completely monopolised by the Arabs.

Menzies' theory is dubious, but this review is not of a high quality either. The reviewer simply has no basic knowledge of Chinese history. Does one really need to raise up the Arabs so high at the expense of the Chinese in order to refute Menzies? Better be careful or this reviewer might end up no better than Menzies himself.
Conan the destroyer
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"From 618 AD to 907 AD all foreign relations were banned in China"


This is comically inaccurate. laugh.gif
Kenneth
QUOTE(somechineseperson @ Apr 6 2006, 01:35 PM) [snapback]4801744[/snapback]
I know people need to refute Menzies' theory, however, they still need to do so without contradicting historical facts themselves:

"From 618 AD to 907 AD all foreign relations were banned in China"

That is absolutely false. The early Tang dynasty was one of the most open eras in Chinese history. If all foreign relations were "banned", how did Nestorian Christianity arrive in China in 635 AD?

"From 1264 AD - 1356 AD sea trade was slowly expanded so that Chinese junks began sailing to East China seas once again."

That is not true either. Oceanic trade flourished during China's Song dynasty, it did not just begin to expand during the Mongol Yuan period. And Chinese sailors did sail in the Indian Ocean as well, Indian Ocean trade was not completely monopolised by the Arabs.

Menzies' theory is dubious, but this review is not of a high quality either. The reviewer simply has no basic knowledge of Chinese history. Does one really need to raise up the Arabs so high at the expense of the Chinese in order to refute Menzies? Better be careful or this reviewer might end up no better than Menzies himself.

Yes, that is odd. I don't know why they chose the Tang, which the most open of all the Chinese dynasties for foreign contact.
MY point in posting these, like I mentioned at the beginning, was because I was told that scholars generally accept Menzies theory...there is so much evidence that only fits Menzies theories provided on his website & book (of course!)...and that with the NZ errors aside there has not been much criticism of Menzies and his 'thesis stands'. This was sent to me by a Professor of History, Xinzheng, China. That is scary.
This post is to show that there is a mass of rebutal. It is freely availible.
When Hu Jintao tells Australians in their own country about 1420 arrivals then things are going too far.
If you dont like the Tang part then what about the comments on the maps coming from Arab sources and such. Each commentator has a niche of knowlege (linguistics for example) and based on this persons knowledge of Arab sea faring he actually refutes numerous claims of Menzies. Leave out a paragraph that is opinion of the author and check out the facts that he gives that can be confirmed. The idea that Chinese knowledge inspired these maps requires actually avoiding reading the footnootes by the maps creators!
Anthrophobia
This is like Atlantis. It may be neat to consider that it's some technologically advanced civilization that went under the sea, but there is a 99% chance that this civilization never existed. Nice to believe, and thus people believe it.
somechineseperson
QUOTE(Kenneth @ Apr 6 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]4801790[/snapback]
Yes, that is odd. I don't know why they chose the Tang, which the most open of all the Chinese dynasties for foreign contact.
MY point in posting these, like I mentioned at the beginning, was because I was told that scholars generally accept Menzies theory...there is so much evidence that only fits Menzies theories provided on his website & book (of course!)...and that with the NZ errors aside there has not been much criticism of Menzies and his 'thesis stands'. This was sent to me by a Professor of History, Xinzheng, China. That is scary.
This post is to show that there is a mass of rebutal. It is freely availible.
When Hu Jintao tells Australians in their own country about 1420 arrivals then things are going too far.
If you dont like the Tang part then what about the comments on the maps coming from Arab sources and such. Each commentator has a niche of knowlege (linguistics for example) and based on this persons knowledge of Arab sea faring he actually refutes numerous claims of Menzies. Leave out a paragraph that is opinion of the author and check out the facts that he gives that can be confirmed. The idea that Chinese knowledge inspired these maps requires actually avoiding reading the footnootes by the maps creators!


I do find it highly unlikely that Zheng He really "discovered the world". In fact, China at the time did not really know that the Earth is spherical and therefore are simply theoretically not equiped to explore the entire globe.

However, I also find it doubtful that the Arabs really "discovered the world", which is what the author of this review seems to be implying. If that were the case there should have definitely been much more evidence.
Kenneth
Hi SCP,
The idea is not that Arabs 'discovered the world' since the maps dont even show what Menzies claims they do. The suggestion is not that Arabs in fact made the journies that Zheng He is imagined to have but that the mysteries of the maps origins of are only in Menzies' mind. The author of that article despite his failings on Tang history(see the link for all the map photographs) knows the history and origin of those particular maps, the original notes on the maps themselves make this clear but Menzies' fails to mention those details to readers. That is his style.
I am working on more exposure of Menzies untruths. I come to the conclusion he must be dishonest and/or negligent.
The impressions I got on my countries fleet 'evidence' is repeated by other people who live at other spots where Menzies' claims junks are wrecked etc.. The suggestion made to me that ''only the NZ section is in error'' is shown, that quite the opposite, my impression the man is a charlatan is repeated by other researchers who actually check Menzies own 'facts'.

I found this on the internet.
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Follows, the substance of a complaint from Dr. Geoff Wade, Singapore, October 2005 (lodged with this website on 12/13-10-2005 - Ed)
I [Geoff Wade]have purchased a copy of Gavin Menzies' book, 1421: The Year China Discovered the World, published by Transworld on the basis that it was classified as "History" in their catalogue. A detailed reading of the text revealed that the work is a fairtytale and fiction of the worst kind. I detail some of the outrageous fiction perpetrated within the volume:
Claims by Mr. Menzies followed by facts...
1. Claim: Four eunuch admirals - Hong Bao, Zhou Man, Zhou Wen and Yang Qing - led fleets to the Americas, Australia, Greenland and the Antarctic during voyages between 1421 and 1423.
Fact: There are no Chinese or other texts which suggest in any way that these four eunuchs, or any other Ming commanders, traveled anywhere at all beyond Asia, the Middle East and the East coast of Africa. All other voyages derive solely from Mr. Menzies' imagination. Further, the currents, winds and dates Menzies cites in support would not have carried the ships anywhere near where he claims. In short, there is no archaeological, textual or archival material to support the Menzies thesis as set down in 1421. In this book Menzies intentionally distorts known materials and deliberately alters known facts in order to support his thesis.


Even some reviewers with only a little Chinese history but rather more common sense than Menzies can see something is not right.
http://www.impalapublications.com/blog/ind...2-Ray-Keene-OBE
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.....It all makes for a gripping read, even if the sum doesn't quite add up to the whole. For all the detail, Menzies is some way off providing proof. None of the supposed 28,000 colonists has left any documentary evidence because all records, boats and shipyards associated with his voyage were burnt by imperial order in 1433. This surely begs the question--if we know so much of Zheng He's voyages around the Indian Ocean, how come we know nothing of his trips further east? Nor, conveniently for Menzies, did any of the colonists return home in triumph. They either died en route or skulked home to obscurity after they were disowned by the emperor.


The exposure of Menzies manipulations and distortions will be getting academic and specific shortly since I am reading through a sobering point by point commetary by a researcher who did all the checking of Menzies own bibliography for accuracy in his representation. The sheer cheek and/or ineptitude of Menzies history is clear.
The points made make the commercial success of the book, the extent of its exposure and the endorsement by people that simply should know better an even bigger mystery than Menzies own fabricated ones.
Howard Fu
I think most Chinese scholars don't believe in Menzies. Hu is a politician. Don't take him too seriously.
Kenneth
Hi Howard,
Yes, it does make me take Hu's version of world events and percieved cultural achievements less seriously from now on but since speeches are written by proffesionals and a large team works below such people then it seems more than just an off the cuff remark. This is the leader of the Peoples Republic of China after all and not somebody discussing it in a pub over beer. Officially the PRC seems to be giving the cold shoulder to the 1421 thesis but just what the impact is on the layperson (which must strangely include Hu and 99% of the population) with such huge distrubution of the book is the problem. Many people will wrongly assume Menzies' is a responsible and fair historian. There are people in NZ telling me that Maori people must have been taught to carve jade by the Chinese who came here. It requires having no depth of knowledge on Maori/Chinese jade carving to believe this, but many will feel that Menzies' facts are taken for granted due to the warm media exposure. I have had to dispel other myths on NZ history in the past when talking to people but Gavin Menzies' has an aura of respectibility which must be stripped.

http://www.dightonrock.com/gavinsfantalyland.htm

The website here is uniquely merited in denouncing Menzies evidence since it uses his own misrepresented sources. I have not included the full article since it contains even more specific information on it if anything needs checking but is truly ponderous and of good academic quality.
Where there are ’’…..’’ I have edited/removed text for brevity. The author often gives sources that make it easier to check Menzies' evidence but these I edited to the minimum.
Where there is {} I have added my own comments. Again I have underlined the most telling parts for the casual reader.
Note that this is a short version of Bill Hartzs’ exposure of Menzies disinformation. The 1421 book is thoroughly discredited.
Perhaps Hu Jintao should take a look before he next addresses an Australian crowd about the Chinese arrival before Abel Tasman & Cook. post-81-1094881491.gif
Bear in mind Menzies’ book is now past the 20th edition printing and he is presently touring the world on self-promotion….making his way to NZ shortly.


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Introduction;
''Despite the overwhelming destruction of Menzies' book by historians, captains of the sea from various nations, he continues to sell books and insists in giving lectures to fool and exploit many thousands of readers.
Here is a collection of desultory notes regarding 1421: the Year China Discovered America written by Bill Hartz, in which he analyzes, meticulously, various points and demonstrates that Gavin Menzies is absolutely WRONG in All of them
. ''

Bill Hartz's article:
''Gavin Menzies wrote 1421:The Year China Discovered America and labeled it non-fiction. It purported to be a factual rewrite of history: the true story of the previously unknown exploration of the world by the fleet of Zheng He in 1421-23.
The Chinese admiral was indeed the premiere maritime figure of his era, and his exploits are impressive, well known and documented. During seven voyages, 1405 - 1433, the ships of Zheng He’s fleet visited as many as 37 countries of the South Asia Seas, Indian Ocean and Persian Gulf. Gavin now proposes they also discovered the world during the sixth trip in 1421. He contends they sailed through the Arctic Ocean and around Russia and Greenland, visited the Caribbean, the east and west coasts of North and South America, Australia, New Zealand, Antarctica and many islands in the Pacific Ocean.
At least superficially the book looks as if it might be a serious history; it has the form, quite a few endnotes with source citations, a long bibliography, etc. And it has some heft, 552 pages. But alas, in our opinion it’s not really a history, it’s a poser, and belongs on the fiction list. Gavin promised gravitas and delivered only avoirdupois. We speculate Gavin had the dream first, and then went looking for evidence to prove it real, couldn’t find any, so he just made it up.

How did I reach that view? Mainly by slogging through the author’s source citations. Gavin’s problem was that he had to include endnotes and source material. And if you can find the material he cites, much of it is rather obscure, the odds are you will find that the source doesn’t say what Gavin claims. But then Gavin was in a pickle. If he hadn’t put in source notes, no one would have taken him seriously from the beginning, no one would have believed his nonsense, he might not even have found a publisher, and few would have bought the book if it had made it into print. It seems his only hope was to misuse, manipulate and misstate some legitimate source material to support his dream, and pray few would take the time and trouble to check the source cited. And apparently that’s what has happened. I have even read reviews impressed with the number of notes - clearly they hadn’t taken the time to locate and read them.

My comments on a few of Gavin’s nonsensical claims, and the source materials he abused, follow. Hoping to save some prospective researchers the effort of plowing the same field yet once more, spending time tracking down often obscure references, we have included rather long quotes in some cases. Here are some of his tricky propositions, we contend more than sufficient to illustrate Gavin’s method, and his willingness to misrepresent the materials in an effort to sell his story.


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Zheng He inscriptions/China.
Gavin begins a discussion of the two carved stone tablets Zheng He erected in thanks to Tianfei, the “Celestial Spouse”. Gavin writes, “The first was in Chiang-Su, Fujian Province, and the second at Liu-Chia-Chang ...”
That is not correct. Gavin has them reversed. The first was erected March 14, 1431 at the Palace
of the Celestial Spouse at Liu-Chia-Chiang, near the mouth of the Yangtze River, Jiangsu (Chiangsu) Province. The second was erected between 5 Dec 1431 and 3 January 1432 at Ch’ang lo (now Changle) at the mouth of the Min River in Fujian Province.
Then comes a quote from the first tablet, at the temple now known as the Jinghai Temple at Nanjing, Jiangsu Province.
“From the time when we, Cheng Ho[Zheng He] and his companions at the beginning of the Yung Lo Period[or Youg Le - Zhu Di, 1404], received the imperial commission we have by way of the countries of Chan-Ch’eng (Champa), Hsien-Lo (Siam), Kua-Wu (Java), K’o Chih (Cochin) and Ku-Li (Calicut) reached Hu-Lu-Mo-Ssu [Hormuz , in the Gulf] and other countries of the western regions, more than three thousand countries in all ...”
The quote is from J.J.L. Duyvendak, “The True Dates of the Chinese Maritime Expeditions in the Early Fifteenth Century”, T’oung Pao, XXXIV, pp. 344-5.
If you look at the cited source you will see a footnote 2 follows “three thousand”, and in the footnote Duyvendak has written the Chinese characters for three thousand, and for thirty, illustrating the similarities; and his comment is - “Obvious copyist error for thirty.”
Note Duyvendak is not suggesting the stone carver made any error……. It is apparent Duyvendak believes the stone was correctly carved to read 30 and someone subsequently made the error copying the stone or transcribing a written record. Unfortunately, the stone is no longer extant. It is important to know what Duyvendak actually wrote, because at page 82 Gavin makes an unfounded claim, that Duyvendak and others thought the stone mason made the error. That’s Gavin’s mistake, or invention. Duyvendak thought and wrote that it was a “copyist error”.
{note; the 1st tablet is lost. The 3,000 countries figure was thought to be translators error even in 1935 since the second tablet has a rubbing which says 30 and names the many countries. The point here is being all that follows is based on ignoring the more secure example and ignoring the Duyvendaks’ own notation to the first}
Duyvendak includes the provenance of this first tablet’s language at pp. 341-2.
“The first inscription was published in an article, signed October 2nd 1935, by Cheng Hao-sheng on pp. 30-31 of the journal Kuo-feng Vol. VII, no 4, issued November 1st 1935. ……
… Gavin refers to a different source for {the second inscription}, but by the same J.J.L.Duyvendak, China’s Discovery of Africa, Probsthain, 1949, p. 29. It’s not clear just why Gavin picked this publication as it only contains parts, not the complete translation of the inscription. And, the entire translation is included in the Duyvendak source mentioned above, “The True Dates ...”, at pp. 349-355, as well as a photograph of a rubbing of the entire inscription.

Ahem. The entire translation of the Changle tablet is also available on line at http://www.umn.edu/hist1012/primarysource.htm. This was posted and is maintained by the University of Minnesota, Department of History. Take a look. As you will see, the first part of the tablet is a general review of his accomplishments, and in part Zheng He writes:
“... From the third year of the Yongle (1405) till now (1431) we have seven times received the commission of ambassadors to the western ocean. The barbarian countries which we have visited are: by way of Zhancheng (Champa), Zhaowa (Java), Sanfoqi (Palembang) and Xianlo (Siam) crossing straight over to Xilanshan (Ceylon) in South India, Guli (Calicut), and Kezhi (Cochin), we have gone to the western regions Hulumosi (Hormuz), Adan (Aden), Mugudushu (Mogadishu), altogether more than thirty countries large and small. We have traversed more than one hundred thousand li of immense water spaces ...”
……..As to the sixth voyage Zheng He wrote:
“In the nineteenth year of Yongle (1421) commanding the fleet we conducted ambassadors from Hulumosi (Ormuz) and the other countries who had been in attendance at the capital for a long time back to their countries. The kings of all the countries prepared even more tribute than previously.”

What is important is what Zheng He did not write - nothing about discovering new countries, new continents, new worlds. We are confident that if his fleet had made such discoveries they would have been mentioned. Though ostensibly the tablets were erected by Zheng He to recognize the miraculous and numerous interventions by Tianfei, Levathes notes the following:
“In addition, however, the tablets carefully documented the achievements of each voyage, no doubt as Zheng He surely wished them to be remembered. But familiar as he was by now with the court’s strong opposition to the voyages, he may have been unsure how the official chroniclers would record the expeditions.” ( Louise Levathes, When China ruled The Seas, The treasure fleet Of The Dragon Throne, 1405-1433, 1994, Oxford University Press, New York, p. 170.)
The tablets make it very clear that when Zheng He mentions he traveled more than 100,000 li, he is stating his cumulative total for his career of seven voyages. Note also in the second tablet, placed at Changle, Zheng He clearly states he visited “...altogether more than thirty countries large and small...” What does Gavin put in his page 82 quote regarding the second tablet? He skips the part altogether about “more than thirty countries”; he leaves it out. And, as you might guess, he doesn’t include any of the language that specifically related to voyage number six. Contrary to what the author claims, Zheng He’s tablets make it clear nothing remarkable, nothing unexpected happened on the sixth voyage……
… …And then at page 90 Gavin writes:
“From the inscriptions on the carved stone erected by Zheng He in the Palace of the Celestial Spouse at Lui-Chia-Chang, I knew they had sailed forty thousand miles
( 100,000 li ) on their sixth voyage-almost twice around the globe.”
!

However, to repeat, as we know Zheng He claims he visited thirty some countries, total, and traveled more than 100,000 li, total, in all of his voyages. It was written in stone by the admiral himself. And this is in accord with the chronicle of Ma Huan, as well as the official Ming shih biography of Zheng He, and the sailing instructions known as the Mao K’un map. These basic source records, which are united in their opposition to his claims, present an insuperable problem for Gavin and his fantasy.
Cape Verde inscription

At pages 102-3 Gavin writes:
It was highly probable that they [Chinese] had also left a stone on one of the Cape Verde Islands, carved with inscriptions in a language they thought people from the surrounding areas would understand ... found a large, free-standing stone near the coast at Janela. The stone still stands there today ... of red sandstone, some three metres high and covered with inscriptions from top to bottom….....” photos were taken and sent to “experts at the Forrest of Steles in Xian, China.” They couldn’t identify the language. The author then faxed a copy of his picture to The Bank of India, and they advised it was Malayalam. This was wonderful news for the author, so elated, “... I punched the air in my excitement.” Excited because he knew it must be another piece of the evidence puzzle needed to support his grand theory.

Does this make any sense at all, the Chinese would erect a stele on Cape Verde and carve the inscription in Malayalam? …..{M}aybe mariners from Kerala did call at Janela, Cape Verde, and they carved the stele in their own language. That’s the simplest, most straight forward explanation - Occam’s Razor
{as others have noted Menzies’ claims the language is little used, but 35 million people use it and incredibly he neglects to even get it translated before further heading off course}


The Congo
At the bottom of Livingston Falls, near Matadi, The Congo, Gavin congers up another identical stone with the same sort of inscription, the same concentric designs, which he again attributes to the Chinese {as he decided that Maori curvilinear rock art in NZ were Chinese signatures also}, evidence they sailed 83 miles up the Congo River (page 105)…..

And here we have an example of another facet of Gavin’s style: only mention the interesting finds, but hide the tangible evidence from the reader. These stones are important pieces in his evidence trail and he refuses to share with the reader the same pictures he sent to the “experts at the Forrest of Steles in Zian”, and to The Bank of India. And he refuses to share the translation of the Malayalam inscription with the reader. We have no doubt he would have, had it supported his fantasy. And perhaps those thirty million present day speakers of Malayalam on the southwest coast of India would also be interested to learn of his amazing find.

North Island, New Zealand
At page 173 Gavin writes:
“... On the west coast of the North Island of New Zealand...near the mouth of the Torei Palma River at Whaingaroa...a huge stone carved in what local experts say is Tamil calligraphy stands at the point where the river empties into a little harbor. In shape, size and location this stone corresponds with those set up by the Chinese mariners in the Yangtze estuary, at Dondra Head, at Cochin on the Malabar coast of India, at Janela in the Cape Verde Islands and by the Matadi Falls in the Congo delta. In addition to the calligraphy, the Ruapuke stone has the same patterns of concentric circles as the stone Janala
Gavin accepts the “local experts” advice that the calligraphy is Tamil. And, with a straight face insists again the Chinese armada of 1421 carved it and placed it there. And, what did this one say? That might be interesting. I guess Gavin thought the inscription wasn’t very important. It probably just translated something like - Hello, all you folks from Tamilnadu. If you ever reach here, we were here first.

{here Menzies’ is using the ‘’tattooed rocks’’ to further his theory. These are about 2 hours driving from where I live and I have photographed and researched them for the NZ Archaeological Assoc. records. Needless to say there is no Tamil script visible even in photographs taken 100 years ago by A. Hamilton nor my pictures taken in recent times. Hence there is no translation by Menzies. See my thread on CHF for more information refuting Menzies NZ evidence. Pure fantasy.}

Inscriptions in Brazil
More carved stones are presented at page 173.

I had already found a number of carved stones at sites visited by the Chinese fleets, so my next step was an obvious one. Sure enough, a search on the internet soon revealed several more on the route from the Cape Verde Islands down to Patagonia, at Santa Catarina, Coral Island, Campeche and Arrorado(sic) Island on the east coast of South America...each is also sited beside a watering place and overlooks the sea, and the concentric circles inscribed on them match those at Ruapuke...

Gavin doesn’t include any pictures of his evidence, but you may inspect these carved stones. Just go to www.bradshawfoundation.com, scroll down and click on Campeche Island. In addition to Campeche you will find pictures of the geometric petroglyphs at Arvorado, Coral, Little Sister and Santa Catarina Islands, Santa Catarina State, Brazil. Carbon dating of middens (refuse mounds) at Santa Catarina shows people living in the area for about 5,000 years.

The petroglyphs have not been dated. However, note there are over 130 on Campeche alone. And, you can see the rocks show a variety of styles, designs and patterns that likely represent the output of a number of local prehistoric artists over many years. The technique is primitive and doesn’t reflect the level of skill attained by Chinese stone carvers in 1421. None of these were done by Gavin’s fantasy fleet. This is just more of his never ending nonsense…..
Hong Kong inscriptions
And then at Page 175 Gavin finds even more carved stones, more alleged evidence of Chinese presence.
The proof would be all the more conclusive if I could find similar carved stones in China. Another long search produced three more, at Wong Chuk Ha, Chang Zhou and Po Ti in Hong Kong. Again, these stones had similar markings to the ones I had already found. I now believed that the concentric circles were a ‘signature” agreed upon before the armada set sail, denoting where each fleet had landed and watered ...”

Again Gavin refuses to provide the reader with any pictures of his “evidence”. But again, you may conger up the stones yourself. They are available at the web site of an official Hong Kong government agency, the Antiquities and Monuments Office, responsible for archaeology, historical buildings, education and publicity: http://www.amo.gov.hk/en/monuments.php. If you then click on ‘Hong Kong Island’ you will find Wong Chuk Hang. If you click ‘Outlying Islands’ you can see the carving at Cheung Chau and Po Toi. (Po Toi was the site of the denouement in The Honorable Schoolboy.)

Gavin neglected to mention this {information on the Hong Kong stone}. It includes the following note:
“Most of the ancient rock carvings in the territory overlook the sea, but this one is about 300 meters from the coastline. However, it is believed that in the past, the sea inlet might have extended up to this point. The design shows geometric patterns composed of spiral squares and circles which closely resemble those on Bronze Age artifacts. It is thus quite safe to deduce that they were carved by early inhabitants of this area in the local Bronze Age some 3000 years ago.”…..

…..And we speculate that’s the reason pictures were not provided by Gavin: it would have then been too easy to identify his claimed evidence as bronze age artifacts, and thus not helpful at all, as he is only interested in proving a Chinese visit in 1421 AD. It seems Gavin is willing to hide and misrepresent his “evidence” to accomplish that goal…...

Piri Reis
… At page 114 Gavin introduces the Piri Reis map of 1513 stating:
“... I had found an inscription on the southern part of the Piri Reis map stating: ‘ It is related by the Portuguese Infidel [Columbus] that in this place, night and day are, at their shortest period, of two hours duration, and at their longest phase of 22 hours.’ 2 For the winter daylight to have lasted only two hours, the man who originally drew the chart and made that note must have been in the deep southern tip at a latitude of about 60o s(outh), well to the south of the southern tip of Tierra del Fuego. The map also shows what appears to be ice connecting the tip of South America to Antarctica ...”

The Piri Reis map is available on line, it may be downloaded from http://www.prep.mcneese.edu/engr/engr/engr...is/piri_r~1.htm.
…{S}omehow ...{Menzies}happened to overlook and leave out part of the translation. The complete quote is:
“It is related by the Portuguese infidel that in this place night and day are, at their shortest period, of two hours duration, and at their longest phase, of twenty-two hours. The day is very warm and in the night there is much dew.”…
….Note VIII refers to a good anchorage yet further south, theoretically closer to Antarctica and colder, and in part states, “... They saw people walking, all of them naked. But they shot arrows, their tips made of fishbone. They stayed there eight days. They traded with the people by signs. That bark [boat] saw these lands and wrote about them which [illegible]. The said bark, without going to Hinde, returned to Portugal and gave the news. They send eight caravels. They described these coasts in detail and from these it is copied.”..
…..Note X states, “This country is a waste. Everything is in ruin and it is said that large snakes are found here. For this reason the Portuguese infidels did not land on these shores and these shores are also said to be very hot.” This inscription is next to the image of a snake.
So Gavin uses part of Note VII to launch a riff on how the Piri Reis shows Antarctica. However, the complete note and four following clearly contradict this hypothesis since it was warm and getting warmer. As the notes progress southward on the map the people went around naked, spices were plentiful and then, there were lots of snakes, which don’t do well in the cold. This doesn’t support the “drift ice” and freezing Antarctica claim Gavin congers up from his fertile imagination. McIntosh …..{Menzies own source} concludes, “... As with many depiction’s on fifteenth and sixteenth-century maps, such as cities, peoples, animals, rivers, mountains, or geography, a coastline does not necessarily guarantee reality.”

Mythical creatures
{here follows an exposure of Menzies fallacies of mythical animals on ancient maps he misrepresents as to show real animals encountered by Chinese fleets....nevermind if they were extinct for thousands of years.}.
At page 116 Gavin names the first of “five creatures depicted on the map.” You can see these clearly, just to the right of note V. He first identifies one of them as a, “... deer with prominent horns ... clearly a huemil, an Andean deer, with the head and antlers accurately depicted ...”
The truth is this is a drawing of a well known mythical creature, a yale. A drawing is available at http://www.eaudry.com.myth.yale.htm..... on the Piri Reis this is the one with the antlers which look like a very early model table top TV antenna. According to the web site,“... the horns can move at will, to face different directions ...” …..
Second, Gavin mentions the creature just above the yale, but he incorrectly claims it is:
“... a guanaco. Guanacos are members of the camel family. They have curious, floppy ears which are bent forwards when they are excited or anxious. Andean people decorate guanacos’ ears with red tassels in the same way we would plait a horse’s mane. From a side view, the bent ears resemble forward-pointing horns. Clearly, the cartographer who copied the original chart mistook the bent ears for horns ...”

Another charming riff that sounds informed and authoritative, but in truth is just a lot of nonsense. The cartographer drew exactly what he intended, a bonnacon, another mythical creature. ….. See www.eaudry.com/myth/bonnacon.htm, ….{the website explains it}.. has curled horns that cannot hurt anyone.” Also if you look carefully at the creature on the map it has ears in addition to at least one curled horn on top of its head. This is obviously not a guanaco….
The third monster, he claims, is a mountain lion. ……McIntosh, op.cit., page 43, includes a translation of the nearby inscription, “They call this beast Sami”, but offers no further identification. We speculate it is another mythical creature..
The fourth creature is the naked, bearded man. Gavin takes another wrong turn and explains:
“At first glance he appears to have his head in the middle of his body, but on closer examination it seems perfectly possible that he had been drawn in a crouching position, allowing his thick beard to cover his genitals. I surmised the Turkish cartographer who copied the captured Portuguese chart onto the Piri Reis was almost certainly a Muslim. Muslims are very conservative about exposing their bodies; if the cartographer had indeed been of that faith, he would not have been comfortable depicting naked men.”
The truth is the little fellow isn’t crouching down to cover his privates with his beard. He just doesn’t have a head. He doesn’t have a neck either. His face is on his chest. He’s another one of those mythical characters, a blemyae. If you go to http://www.diegocuoghi.it/Piri_Reis /PiriR_eng.htm there is a picture on the first page, of a blemyae, a skiapod (one leg with a big foot) and a one-eyed giant. This site contains as well a discussion of the Piri Reis map….{T}hat’s not Antarctica across the bottom of the map, but Argentina.
{This type of creature I have heard of before, blemyae. It was believed real at the time}

…..The fifth creature, Gavin correctly surmises, is the well-known, but mythical, dog-headed man, the cynocephali. These were favored by cartographers to decorate maps. You can see two other dog headed creatures on the map, a little north west of the sitting cynocephali, dancing hand in hand. But, then the author sails off the chart again and decides, again, the cartographer didn’t know what he was doing, that the dog-headed man was really a mylodon.

Mylodons
Armed with this information Gavin calls several museums, with a query, “I’m looking for a monster twice the size of a human,” and he learns of the mylodon. But why ask for a creature twice the size when his selected evidence suggests it was no larger than a human? Because he needs a larger creature to fit a legend that appears later on in his book, in New Zealand.
He called four museums before he found a stuffed mylodon.
{This was amongst the most fanciful and ludicrous of Menzies’ NZ digressions. I have already given my own and Michael Kings’ scornful commentary on the idea of the introduction of an extinct giant sloth to NZ by Chinese treasure fleets. Laughable.}

His riff on the mylodon goes on for pages, even suggesting:
“... in recent years, well preserved pieces of this creature, apparently butchered by the local people, have been found in a cave, leading to the speculation that it may still exist in the wilds of Patagonia (p. 120).”
You may check it out. See the article at http://www.unmuseum.org.sloth.htm.

Remember the author wrote, ‘in recent years’. Truth is the remains found in Eberhardt’s cave in 1895 have since been carbon dated. “Dung found in the cave was more than 10,000 years old. The skin was estimated to be 5,000 years old. …… No additional evidence has turned up that the giant sloth survives today ...”

Why would the author even include such transparent nonsense, resurrecting an extinct mylodon?

We suggest Gavin doesn’t have any real evidence and he’s desperate. He’s setting up his “evidence” for a Chinese visit to New Zealand later, where a pair of the these long extinct animals allegedly escape from the Chinese, and later on, he maintains, were the basis for a local legend. So therefore the Chinese must have picked up the mylodons first, as they passed by South America, so they could escape later in New Zealand. See the following at page 172:
The Chinese would have had to claw their way back against the current; as they did so, at least two of the great treasure ships were lost. The wreck of an old wooden ship was found two centuries ago at Dusky Sound in Fjordland at the south-west tip of New Zealand’s South Island. It was said to be very old and of Chinese build and ‘to have been there before Cook’, according to the local people.10...”

The source cited in endnote 10 is Robyn Gossett, New Zealand Mysteries, Auckland, 1996, p. 31. In the U.S. this book is a rare item, but I eventually was able to track it down. Gossett explains it was not “local people” but the Maori who were keeper of the legend. Gossett devoted three pages to her detailed exploration of the legend, which included access to the log of Captain Robert Murry (sic), who had been fourth officer on the ship. The wreck was not Chinese at all, rather, an English ship, the Endeavour, that went down in 1795.
{My hat goes off to the author of this article for detective work. smile.gif He is entirely correct, since the late NZ historian Michael King had announced this also in his scornful review of Menzies work}

“By the time the ship reached Dusky Sound the Endeavour was in a bad way, and after a thorough inspection the officers and crew came to the only possible conclusion: the Endeavour would have to be abandoned ......just another wreck until imagination and rumor made her one of the mystery ships of the New Zealand coast.”

So when Gavin suggests it was an old Chinese wreck, he’s just pulling your leg. He knows better, since he obviously read Gossett, he quoted her [in part], and cited her. Also at page 172 see the following:
“A Sydney packet visited Dusky Sound in 1831 and two sailors from the crew ‘saw a strange animal perching at the edge of the bush and nibbling the foliage. It stood on its hind legs, the lower part of its body curving to a thick pointed tail and when they took note of the height it reached against the trees allowing a metre and a half for the tail, they estimated it stood nearly nine metres in height. The men were windward of the animal and were able to watch it feeding for some time before it spotted them. They watched it pull down a heavy branch with comparative ease, turn it over and tilt it up to reach the leaves it wanted’11... The animal described corresponds in size, posture and eating habits with the mylodons the Chinese could have taken aboard in Patagonia ...”

….Or, is Gavin once more fiddling with his source material{?}…..
….Gossett debunks a lot of weird New Zealand legends. See above where Gavin writes, “A Sydney packet visited Dusky sound in 1831 and two sailors from the crew ‘saw a strange animal ...’ ” Just preceding that Gossett writes:
“Even more bizarre was a story, also reported to the Collector of Customs in Sydney when the Sydney Packet returned home in 1831. One of the ship’s gangs which had beenstationed in Dusky Sound told of the discovery of an enormous animal of the kangaroo species.”
And continuing the quote above by Gavin, Gossett wrote:
“When it finally saw them, the animal stood watching the men for a short time, then made one almighty leap from the edge of the bush towards the water’s edge. There it landed on all fours but immediately stood erect before making another great leap into the water. The men were able to measure the first jump and found it had covered twenty yards. They watched the animal plough its way down the Sound at tremendous speed, its wake extending from one side of the Sound to the other ...”
“Here again one is tempted to think the rum was talking, and for an Australian going away from home for months on end, what other animal would stir the imagination but a kangaroo?...”
So Gavin was indeed diddling his source material again. The mysterious animal was named a kangaroo and jumped like a kangaroo in Gavin’s source, but he just left that part out since it wasn’t congruent with his mylodons across the ocean fable.

The author is a marvelous magician. In addition to transforming a number of well known mythical creatures into present day fauna; and a blemyae into an embarrassed Muslim; he changed a mythical, dog-headed man into a nine foot tall, long extinct mylodon and transported a pair of them, in 1421, from Argentina to New Zealand, where at least one issue grew to nine meters by the time he claims it was last observed in 1831.
Should the writer of such amazing nonsense be taken seriously by anyone?


Waldseemuller Map
{Menzies claims here that only Chinese knowledge could have created this maps West coast since they mapped the pacific coast in their travels and nobody had charted it before….yet again Menzies is misrepresenting and neglecting information from his own sources. His claims of the map are refuted here;}

… Amerigo Vespucci {hence ‘America’}with his pamphlet Mundus Novus (The New World) convinced many geographers, including Waldseemuller, that the previous discoveries to the west were not the West Indies, nor part of eastern Asia, nor just islands, but a separate continent. That shift in thinking required adjustments by the geographers. A new continent required a coast on the west side separated from Asia by an ocean. And that is what Waldseemuller believed, and what he drew - a conjecture, a hypothetical “Pacific coast”, due to his new set of beliefs, based on Mundus Novus; as yet not proven by anyone’s sighting of that west coast. And that is why it is labeled “unknown land” and doesn’t contain any detail, in contrast to the east coast.

Gavin has provided a picture of the Waldseemuller map in the third group of photos…….. However, it is so small that any detail is difficult to see.

Ahem. Fortunately, the map is now available on the internet. You may go to the Library of Congress site at http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/lewisandclark/images/ree0001/jpg,
Waldseemuller wrote a short book to accompany the 1507 map….
“Now, these parts of the earth have been more extensively explored and a fourth part has been discovered by Amerigo Vespucci ( as will be set forth in what follows ). Inasmuch as both Europe and Asia received their names from women, I see no reason why any one should justly object to calling this part Amerige, i.e., the land of Amerigo, or America, after Amerigo, its discoverer, a man of great ability. ….”
Also in the lower left hand corner of the Waldseemuller map is a box which contains the following text, further recognition of Vespucci’s travels, and his influence on Waldseemuller.
“A general delineation of the various lands and islands, including some of which the ancients make no mention, discovered lately between 1497 and 1504 in four voyages over the seas, two by Fernando of Castile, and two by Manuel of Portugal, most serene monarchs, with Amerigo Vespucci as one of the navigators and officers of the fleet; and especially a delineation of many places hitherto unknown….”

Still at page 200 Gavin continues:
“... The west coast of North America from modern Canada to the equator is drawn boldly and clearly on the map ... (p 201) The Pacific coast of America is strikingly drawn on the Waldseemuller chart and the latitudes correspond to those of Vancouver Island in Canada right down to Ecuador in the south ... Oregon is clearly identifiable ... (p 414) The Waldseemuller map clearly depicts the island [Vancouver Island].”

Take another look at those nice large copies of the map you printed out, see if you can recognize any of those landmarks - Vancouver Island, Oregon, Ecuador. These are the landmarks that Gavin claims Waldseemuller copied from hypothetical, unnamed Chinese source maps. Nothing there, right?
Gavin must have thought you wouldn’t take the time to look, that you would have been carried along on the tide of his reassuring, confident, boldly written words
.

The fact is none of it is discernible on the Waldseemuller map.
Gavin is pulling your leg. The fact is Waldseemuller didn’t have any data on that coast, from the Chinese, nor from anyone else, and what he drew was a nondescript, generic line, and marked it, both North and South, “TERRA ULTRA INCOGNITO” - unknown land…..

{Menzies stunning fantasy that follows is;}…..“The Waldseemuller map shows the coast with reasonable accuracy, charted just as one would expect from a ship passing by, but there is a gap in the latitude of the Gulf of Tehuantepec in Guatemala ... ”
At page 209 Gavin recognizes on the map ''300 miles of coastline between Manzanillo and Acapulco, “.…..clearly shown on the Waldseemuller map.”

Do you see it? Of course not. Does anyone? No.
How about Gavin, does he see it? No, he doesn’t see anything either, he’s just pulling your leg again, making up more of his “overwhelming evidence”
.

Oregon junk
Gavin writes at page 201:
“... Oregon is clearly identifiable, and several very old wrecks have been discovered there on the beach at Neahkahnie. One was of teak with a pulley for hoisting sails made of caeophyllum, a wood unique to south-east Asia. The wood has yet to be carbon dated {is Menzies simply being dishonest here?}, but if it proves to be from the early fifteenth century it will provide strong circumstantial evidence that one of Zhou Man’s junks was wrecked in Neahkahnie Bay. Some examiners of the wreckage there claim to have found paraffin wax, which was used by Zheng He’s fleet to desalinate sea-water for the horses....”

When I read this I was intrigued.

The site is only about sixty miles south of me. {Menzies’ must have counted on people never checking his ‘facts’} I called, made an appointment, drove down and spoke with Wayne Jensen, the curator of the Tillamook County Pioneer Museum. There are artifacts from two shipwrecks, beeswax from one and a pulley from the other. Mr. Jensen remembered having received a call from Gavin in 2002, and in addition they exchanged e-mail.

Wayne told Gavin the pulley had already been carbon dated (in 1993) to 1595. Various pieces of the beeswax dated from 1500 to 1650.
Oregon was not on the intended route of the Spanish trade galleons that traveled between the Philippines and Acapulco during the period 1565 - 1815, but storms and error sometimes forced them off their chosen path. Thirty three galleons were lost over the years. {The author provide sources for this based on Menzies own bibliography!}
…… Mr. Jensen is confident the pulley is from one of these Spanish trade galleons, and the missing San Augustin is his choice for the assignment. In 1895 the remains of a wreck at Nehalem spit were exposed, men were down in the hull digging out beeswax and found the pulley. They had been scavenging and taking off boards for years.…..Subsequent wave and surf action covered the remains until they briefly “came to light” again in 1929.
A great deal of beeswax has been recovered from the nearby coast over many years…… A pollen study done by the University of Oregon revealed the source of the beeswax, northern Luzon in the Philippines……Large chunks of the beeswax, one with 1679 carved in it, and candles are on permanent display at the Museum.

..Sometimes Gavin’s writing is awkward and confusing. For example, although “The wood has yet to be carbon dated” follows directly after and seems to relate to “sails made of caeophyllum(sic), a wood unique to south-east Asia.”, that could not be correct since no calophyllum has ever been found there. What he must be referring to is the pulley block, even though, as noted above, that has been carbon dated to 1595, and is not of calophyllum…..
……
Though only a few brief sentences, Gavin’s treatment of the fantasy junk at the Oregon coast fits the pattern. He lists source materials that have nothing to do with the issue at hand, and the ones that do pertain to the issue but don’t support his dream, he ignores. And he writes as if he is just waiting for the lab to confirm the finding of some real Chinese evidence that dates to 1421.
But that’s not possible.
As Gavin well knows, the lab work has long since been done, the report available since 1993, and it does not fit his time frame. The “Oregon junk” never was.
''


{end of part one….remainder of extracts to be posted shortly. The falsehoods just keep on coming.}
Kenneth
continuation of above article which exposes more of Menzies' distortions and false stories.

QUOTE
Sacramento junk
At page 203 Gavin writes:

“... drawing my attention to the wreck of a medieval Chinese junk buried under a sandbank in the Sacramento River......the site was more than a hundred miles from open sea and the discovery seemed too good to be true ... As soon as I had carried out some preliminary research, I discovered that the prevailing north-easterly winds on this coast could have blown a junk straight across the bay and into the Sacramento River .....”

….This hypothetical junk is not the “Sacramento junk”, but is widely known as the “Glenn junk.” And though it’s true it is “more than a hundred miles from the open sea,” as the author states, that is only half right, as it is over 200 miles from the open sea, twice as far as he writes.

…….And, as we progress up the river, we run into reality. I spoke with Dr. Gregg White, Director of the Archaeological Research Program at California State University......there is a geological sill that begins at about the point of the town of Colusa, which is 30 miles south of Glenn. North of that are a lot of Pleistocene gravel deposits, shallow depths, and the river crashes over those gravels. From Colusa south it’s a deeper clay profile and the river is more entrenched. So the head of navigation traditionally was Colusa. In about the 1860’s large dredges were hauled up and cleared a path.....which is significantly farther north. But, the river had to be cleared each and every year because new gravel bars and new tree falls would clutter up the river. So from that relatively recent history we know it was improbable for a boat with much of a draft to have progressed…..it {is} too shallow and too uneven…..

…….As legends go, the “Sacramento junk” story is a youngster, dating back only to the mid 1930’s, when two farmers, drilling for water in an orange grove near Glenn, California, struck something hard and pulled up a chunk of grayish metal, the color of lead though much harder. John Birch, principal of the Willows grammar school, took a piece to an unnamed expert at Red Bluff, California, “... who came back with the surprising conclusion that the metal might be from a piece of Chinese armor.” ( Walt Wiley, “Sir Francis Wong? Mystery Of An Ancient Chinese Explorer”, Sacramento Bee, Sunday, November 30, 1975, Section B, page 1, [replate] ). Gavin changes this to “of medieval Chinese origin (p. 204)”, but that is his spin, an attempt to place it in the fifteenth century. And see page 227: Gavin transforms the “Chinese armor” into “iron woks”!


…..Gavin first claimed (p. 204) that the metal “had been found in its hold”, which is not true. However, in the next paragraph he changed his story and correctly wrote, “The site was covered with a 40-foot layer of the accumulated sand and silt of centuries ...”

The fact is no one has ever claimed to have seen the boat, not the original drillers, nor anyone since. And now there is no one alive who ever saw the mysterious grayish metal which has long since gone missing. Wiley, ibid., quotes Nonie, the wife of Bennie St. Louis, then owner of the property, “ It was a chunk about the size of my fist, the color of lead, and heavy, but much harder than lead.” All this is unsatisfactory to those who would like to solve the puzzle of the legend, but gives the mythmakers plenty of room to wiggle and spin their fantasies.

….There was only talk but no action taken for many years……. However, it was a letter to the editor in July 1979 by Marge Pattison that appeared in the Willows Journal that presented a challenge and piqued the interest of one local farmer, Dave Stewart. In 1980 he spent a lot of time, energy and money on a determined quest for the treasure….{details of excavation removed}….All efforts were to no avail. Money and enthusiasm depleted, he walked away from it.

In 1999 Dr. Furry encouraged Stewart {and t}hey were able to arrange a drill rig to auger down through their chosen site. Some small pieces of soft decomposed wood were recovered that were carbon dated. However, the results are not clear. If you go to www.dstc.edu.au/ListArchive/eclectika/archive/2002/03 /msg00047.html, you will find information provided by John Furry that states the samples were sent to Beta Analytic Lab in Miami, Fla., who returned a date range of 1250-1425 AD…..

….The Jan 26, 2001 article related that in addition to the bits of wood, strange pieces of pottery, perhaps from a jar, millions of black seeds, and a few grains of rice were brought up by the auger. Furry was quoted:

When the drill hit the seeds, the water turned black as oil. There were seeds everywhere. I think we got into a pottery jar of them - maybe a bushel or more ... There’s no doubt in my mind we have a ship. We traced its shape with a magnetometer, and now to bring up this new material means to me that there’s a lot more than just wishful thinking here….”

Dr. Gregg White recalled Dr. Furry brought the claimed pottery pieces by his office. White concluded they were rocks that the drill auger had cut through and left scared in a cylindrical shape. As to the seeds, White explained they were modern agricultural seeds, the auger having cut through a cache of seeds collected by a squirrel or some other small wild animal, a not uncommon occurrence. Regarding the small pieces of burnt looking wood that had been recovered and carbon dated by Stewart and Furry, White suggested they were likely from a native tree that had simply fallen in the river long ago and been covered by the current moving sand, silt and gravel over it, a natural and common process in that area.…

Although the Denver archaeologist, Dr. Lawrence B. Conyers, found the ancient oxbow in the riverbed, under 35 - 45 feet of sand, silt, loam and gravel, just where it was supposed to be, he did not find any evidence of boat remains. The drilling was canceled; and Gavin called off any further excavation….

Perhaps this then constitutes the final rites for “Sir Frances Wong” and the end of a local legend, the mythical treasure boat of Glenn, California. Another of Gavin’s imaginary junks that never was.

Pandanan Wreck: a mid 15th Century Vessel

At page 226 Gavin claims:

There is one further incontrovertible proof that the Chinese reached Mexico ... the wreck of a Chinese junk [at Pandanan, a small island to the south-west of the Philippines] ... a vivid illustration of trade between China, south-east Asia and the Americas.”

In the text there are no footnotes for this remarkable find. In the hardback issue of 1421, at page 520, in the section titled “Select Bibliography”, four sources are mentioned: Dizon, E. Z., Underwater Archaeology of the Pandanan Wreck: a mid 15th Century Vessel, paper to South East Asia Archaeology Conference, Berlin, 1998; Green, J. and Harper, R., ‘The Excavation of the Pattaya Wrecksite and Survey of three other Thailand sites, Thailand 1982....{etc. bibliography edited}.

.......you may go to www.mm.wa.gov.au/Museum/march/department/oseas.html. This is an article titled Maritime Archaeology in Southeast and East Asia by Jeremy Green, Head of the Department of Maritime Archaeology, ........This is the J. Green mentioned in Gavin’s two citations.......

.....There is no suggestion that these Thai wrecks were part of Zheng He’s fleet. Even if any were suspected to be, it would not be news as Thailand was within the well known parameters of the fleet’s routine area of operation. Because of the dates of manufacture of certain ceramics the Ko Kradat vessel could not have sunk before 1522. The Pattaya wreck was made with boards from a tree felled in 1370, plus or minus 50 years. And the other three Thailand sites yielded C14 dates of 1570+/-90; 1290 +/-60; and, 1440 +/-60, 1540 +/-120 (two samples, same wreck). .....

......If you go to www.maritimeasia.ws/Turniang/ship.html, you will find a brief statement regarding the Pandanan wreck.

The Pandanan wreck lost in the mid 15th century in the Philippines represents a relatively pure Southeast Asian vessel......she was joined with wooden dowels, with no iron nails of any kind. Like most Southeast Asian and Hybrid vessels, she was built of tropical hardwood.”

The Pearl Road (Loviny, p.23) also notes the hull was divided into seven compartments, but they were not made to be watertight, in contrast to the ships of the Zheng He fleet, another interesting difference in design. Openings were made in the bottom of each bulkhead, so the bilge water could drain from one to the next and collect in the deepest part of the hull. These holes are clearly seen in the large two-page, color photograph along with ballast rocks and the floor planks (Loviny, pp.106-7).

Gavin states at page 227: “ The wood of the hull had been carbon dated to 1410, the same date as that of the Sacramento Junk ...”

Dr. Dizon told me they had done C-14 analysis, but preferred to rely on the copper coin, which was from the Yong Le period, 1403-1424 AD, as it was felt to be more reliable than carbon dating. ......
Remember, Gavin claims it as part of the 1421-23 armada which discovered the world; and he suggests it sank, “... at about early September 1423, towards the end of the southwest monsoon, a time when there are unpredictable squalls (p. 228).”

Because of the dates when various ceramics in the cargo were first made, which are well known and dated, it is clear the date of the wreck can be no earlier than their earliest date of manufacture, which for the bulk of them was mid-15th century, that is 1450, mas o menos. And, of course, it could have gone down well after 1450. ...
.... “The bulk of the cargo, however, extends the period to the middle of the 15th century A.D., resulting in almost a 200-year range for the archaeological materials found in a single shipwreck site - an astounding discovery, indeed! With the boat being contemporary to the latest pieces on the ship, the vessel itself may be dated to as early as the mid-15th century (Loviny, p.72).”

At page 227, referring to this wreck and the mythical “Sacramento junk”, Gavin writes, “... both apparently carried iron woks in their holds.”

No one else has ever claimed the “Sacramento junk” contained an iron wok, that is Gavin’s invention.....

....And the Pearl Road describes the iron pots in the Pandanan boat as “cauldrons”, much larger and shaped differently than woks. Over 60 were found, but they were too fragile to recover (Loviny, p 68.). They can be seen in the large, double-page, color photograph at pp.74-75. So this is more invention by Gavin. He changed the alleged “Chinese metal armor” from the mythical “Sacramento junk” into a wok; and then he changed the 60 real cauldrons from the real Pandanan boat into woks, so he could then claim the two boats carried similar goods. What amazing nonsense. .....

Still on page 227 Gavin claims:
The Pandanan junk also carried metates - pestles for grinding maize - which were unique to South America, and what appears to be Cholula ware, the eggshell-thin ceramics made in Mexico ...”

That is not correct. Metates are not pestles, as he writes. And pestles are not used with metates. Manos are used with metates, and pestles with mortars. Metates were not unique to South America, nor were pestles.

Ahem. If you go to www.carleton.ca/~bgordon/Rice/papers/sung_nd.htm you will find Prehistoric Food Processing Techniques-Discussion on the Origin of Grinding Tools, Mortar and Pestle , Sung, Zhao-Lin, Chinese Historical Museum Agricultural Archaeology, Vol.3, No. 47, 1997. (Translated by Elaine Wong; edited by Bryan Gordon). This paper states in part:

“... New Chinese finds show 3 main food processing tools; metate and mano, mortar and pestle, and grinder, with another tool for processing tree bark. METATE People usually think the metate was invented by agricultural tribes, but it actually appeared in the Late Palaeolithic, when it was used for grinding wild food; e.g., Shahxi’s Xiachuan site (1)…..”

Although Gavin claims the metates were unique to South America, they were in use in China for thousands of years before 1421. ....

Dr. Dizon confirms the metate was in use throughout Southeast Asia. Also there were no egg-shell thin ceramics .....at the Pandanan wreck.

At page 228 Gavin claims:
“... about a thousand (items) currently remain to be identified. When they have been it should be possible to reconstruct the junk’s route. On the evidence already available, it appears to have returned from Central America with the north equatorial current ...”

All of the 4,722 items from the Pandanan junk have been identified. And as Gavin must have been aware, Dr. Dizon had already reconstructed the route of this Southeast Asia trading vessel.

“ ... A possible scenario of the route of this vessel may be reconstructed. The main cargo, tradeware ceramics from central Vietnam….Lesser cargo from northern Vietnam, including those pieces which may have come from China such as the blue and white porcelain wares, celedons and the iron cauldrons and gongs, …. [More than 70% of the cargo was from Viet Nam.] The boat may then have sailed to the southern peninsula of mainland Southeast Asia to pick up the goods from Thailand - as these also comprise a significant portion of the cargo. .....”

At page 401 Gavin repeats the nonsense that the Pandanan wreck proves Chinese contact with the Americas.

In summary, the Pandanan wreck went down no earlier than about 1450, not September 1423 as Gavin claims; it was not a “Chinese junk" rather of a different design and construction, most likely of Southeast Asia origin; it did not contain any goods unique to South America nor to Mexico - all the cargo has been long since inventoried and identified; and we don’t have to wait to reconstruct it’s route, Dr. Dizon included that in the 1996 book, The Pearl Road, along with a map of routes.

How is it possible Gavin could have read The Pearl Road and his other cited sources and still got it all so wrong? no.gif

“Bimini Road”

At page 265 Gavin presents his hypothesis that 20 ships of the fleet sailed into shallow water in the Bahamas, hit rocks and reefs, which ripped open their wooden hulls, so they put in at Bimini Island. There they built “Bimini road” with their ballast stones, some weighing fifteen tons, to facilitate pulling the ships up, out of the water for repairs.

At page 268 Gavin writes of Dr. Mason Balantyne[sic]. “His discovery, named the ‘Bimini Road’, comprises two parallel lines of stones on the sand dunes of Bimini Bay running south-west towards the deep ocean ...”

That is not correct. No part of the Bimini road is “on the sand dunes”. The entire “road” is under approximately 15 feet of water. It is not located at “Bimini Bay”, where ever that may be, rather, about a half mile off Paradise Point, North Bimini Island. It does run south-west, but not “towards the deep ocean”. It is more or less level and parallel to the beach, which also runs south-west.

At page 268 Gavin continues:

In 1974, an American scientist, Dr. David Zink, led an expedition (the first of nine) to survey these mysterious stones. He produced overwhelming evidence the road was man-made {see below for psychic readings}... The road is clearly visible from the air through the azure water. It runs straight as a die down into the depths a broad band of beige stone. After Dr. Zink’s expeditions, Jacques Cousteau surveyed the “road” in detail for a television programme, and National Geographic has published several features. The road has been surveyed by a number of experts, and there is almost universal agreement that the structure is man-made.”

That statement certainly sounds authoritative and final. Experts are mentioned: Dr. Zink, Jacques Cousteau, and National Geographic. For Zink and Cousteau the author even provides source citations. Let’s take a look at the sources cited.

Dr. David D. Zink was not a scientist, rather a former English teacher, a Cayce fan, intrigued with megalithic [big rock] structures and with the origins of myths. He had a psychic named Carol Huffstickler do a reading of the site, and she determined the rocks were pillars of an ancient sacred temple, probably erected about 28,000 BC, by Atlanteans…….

…..Zink made detailed, stone by stone drawings of the road, including size, distances and angles, to locate all the stones, and, several of these drawings are included. He also mentions enlisting the help of Carol Huffstickler in 1974. At page 114 he writes:
“Carol’s first {psychic} reading dated the Bimini site prior to Stonehenge, stating that Bimini was contemporary with the Atlantean culture and that it had been destroyed basically for the same reasons that Atlantis had perished: misuse of sexual energy and black magic...I began to look for a common denominator between the stories of Atlantis (and souls descending into matter only to be trapped) and extraterrestrial visits. Could these ultimately be reduced to different facets of now-forgotten ancient events on the planet?...”

…..See page 269 and endnote 7 which refers to The Undersea World of Jacques Cousteau and the TV series In Search of...Atlantis ... At our neighborhood library we found The Cousteau Odyssey: Calypso’s Search for Atlantis , Copyright 1978 by The Cousteau Society…..{this is simply an interview of Dr. Zink without endorsement of his Atlantis idea}

…..Gavin mentions National Geographic as a source, but neglects the citation. We found only one such source, an exploration supported by a grant made by the National Geographic Society in 1971. Mahlon M. Ball and John A. Gifford, “ Investigation of Submerged Beachrock Deposits off Bimini, Bahamas” National Geographic Research Reports vol.12 (1980): 21-38.

As Gavin claims, Valentine and Zink did believe the “Bimini Road” was man made. Well, not exactly man made, but made for the Atlanteans, perhaps by visitors from another galaxy, Pleions from Pleiades.

Costueau doesn’t take a position in his Search for Atlantis, rather just gives Zink the opportunity to state his best case.

The National Geographic Research Report makes it clear the “road” is the result of a natural geologic process. And this report was done by real scientists, working within their area of competency.

This is Gavin’s “... overwhelming evidence the road was man-made (p. 268).” rolleyes.gif

Gavin also wrote, “The road has been surveyed by a number of different experts, and there is almost universal agreement that the structure is man-made (p. 269)”. However, he failed to list who else he might have had in mind, and he neglected to mentioned a number of real experts who have surveyed the site.

W. Harrison, “ Atlantis Undiscovered-Bimini, Bahamas.” Nature. vol.230 [April 2, 1971]: 287-289 . A Virginia Beach based geologist…..He concludes:
“... The rock was thus almost certainly lithified during the lower relative sea level of the Pleistocene ... The overall result is a field of blocks that at first sight appear to have been fitted together, and this has led to statements such as , ‘[some] human agency must have been involved.’ The blocky remains of the limestone outcrops are, however, no more enigmatic than other subaerial or subaqueous outcrop of jointed limestone found in various stages of fracture and decay in the north-western Bahamas.”

E. A. Shinn. “Atlantis: Bimini Hoax.” Sea Frontiers 24 ( June 1978 ): 130-141. Eugene A. Shinn, Ph.D., is a geologist with the US Geological Survey at St. Petersburg, Florida.

Shinn briefly discusses the modern Atlantis cult that devolved from Plato’s mention of an ancient myth……and the true believers suspension of critical thinking in their embrace of the Bimini beach rock, believing it a man made artifact and evidence of Atlantis, in spite of scientific evidence to the contrary. He continues:

“... In the winter of 1976 (Peter) Tomkins, J. Harold Hudson, the author, and several Florida Institute of Technology students drilled through two 2 1/2 foot-thick blocks into the underlying bedrock and concluded that the blocks were composed of beach rock ...

“... The basic mechanism of beach-rock formation has been known since the days of Darwin ...

“... Because this form of cementation is restricted to the beach, it tends to produce ribbons or roadlike belts of rock parallel to the shore ...

“... It is not uncommon for exposed beach rock to fracture and break as it lies in the sun ... Such rock can be found on the beach throughout the Bahamas, Caribbean, and Pacific, and often has a fitted-together appearance similar to the underwater rocks off Bimini ......

“ “... In the summer of 1977, on another trip to Bimini with Peter Tomkins, 17 4-inch-diameter cores were taken from adjacent blocks…. The cores were returned to Miami, where they were cut along the orientation lines and x-radiographed to make bedding visible ... The gradual decrease in pebble size from block to block, however, indicates that the blocks were once joined as a single ribbon of beach rock. If the blocks had been transported, one would expect abrupt changes in composition from block to block…..

“... The blocks were in place and had not been transported ....

“... What can now be said is that the supposedly man-made rocks are of natural origin; that they are more or less in their natural position relative to each other and to the shoreline; that the process that gave them their shape is natural; and that they formed about 2,200 years ago and are thus too young to be attributed to Atlanteans ...”

Marshall McKusick. “The Bimini Underwater Discoveries.” Explorers Journal (March 1980): 40-43. McKusick has a Ph.D. in anthropology from Yale, was state archaeologist for Iowa from 1960 to 1975, and more recently associate professor of anthropology at the University of Iowa. He writes:

“There is a moral to the story of my dive to see the ‘Phoenician’ ship off Bimini: archeological evidence is not often what it appears to be at first glance. Enthusiastic laymen are not trained to evaluate evidence and assess the crucial facts that a professional would observe ...

“The so-called underwater ‘pavement’ at Bimini Island was a disappointment...The ‘pavement’ is a long section of semi-rectangular fractures in what I supposed to be bedrock lying in shallow water. However, these regular fractures intergraded with more irregular sections which terminated in rubble. My own impression was that a long section gave the appearance of a pavement, but that the gradations to random and irregular cracks showed its origin ...

The so-called ‘paved road’ stretches 1,800 feet offshore from nowhere and leads to nothing. It does not connect a former seaport with a harbor, or in any way have an observable purpose ...

Despite all evidence to the contrary, enthusiastic amateurs are writing books claiming all sorts of mysterious ancient contacts with prehistoric America.” [And they still are.]

Marshall McKusick and Eugene A. Shinn. “Bahamian Atlantis reconsidered.” Nature 287
(4 September 1980): 11-12.

Nevertheless many amateur explorers have ignored the scientific explanation and books and articles that perpetuate this Atlantis myth continue to appear. It is our contention that the persistence of the Bimini Island hoax must be explained in sociological rather than geological terms. There is in the US a vigorous cult dedicated to the mystic revelations of native American prophet, Edgar Cayce (1877-1945), who wrote that lost Atlantis was the center of all ancient civilization 10,000 years ago and that Bimini was part of that continent. Thus the Bimini affair has become a clash between scientific interpretation and religious dogma ...
“... During the 1970’s an enormous number of books describing ancient Atlantean, Phoenician, Egyptian, Viking, and other mysterious visitors to prehistoric America have been published by both the maj