Um, let me give it a shot: "Are you even/also a Hmong, my friend?"

phoojywg = 朋友
yog = 是
koj = 你
puas = 吗
Hmoob = 苗

last letter in a syllable is a dummy letter used to mark the tone.
double vowel means it is a velar nasal /ng/, so Hmoo --> Hmong.

The Hmong language belongs to the Miao-Yao branch of the Sino-Tibetan family of languages.

There are three major dialect spoken among the Hmong/Miao of the world today.

They just "started to appear"?
No kidding.
It's almost like the whole population of Eastern Asia except the Chinese themselves came from the Huang He valley, if you believe those stories.

I read in an old version of Britannica Encyclopedia that the Hmong/Miao of all the multitudes of other races and ethnicities in China, are the least physically and racially distinguishable from the Han Chinese themselves. However this only applies to Hmong/Miao peoples in China alone, as the Hmong in SE asian countries have acquired the phenotypes of their countrymen.

Korean is Hmong.

I searched n found that Guryeo is Hmong. And when I searched for Guryeo, it said that Guryeo or Goguryeo people are ancestors of Korean people. So Hmong people are ancestors of Korean people.
This is funny.

Here are the site that I found:

According to Chinese mythological book Shan Hai Jing, Chi You, with Giants, Guryeo (Hmong) people and evil spirits, rebelled against Huang Di at Zhuolu plains. Both sides used magical powers, but Chi You had the advantage because his troops were armed with forged swords and halberds.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_You
Goguryeo was called 'Guryeo' until the latter part of the second century B.C. Subsequently, when this Guryeo was changed into Goguryeo as state name, these people called themselves the Maek tribe.

No other nation, neither China, Japan nor Manchuria inherited Goguryeo culture in its entirety but Korea, and we continue to preserve its legacy. For these reasons, it is absolutely clear that the Goguryeo people are ancestors of Korean people.
http://www.xanga.com/item.aspx?user=CCM&ta...gs&uid=63341161

You shouldn't trust things on WIKIPEDIA. I should edit wikipedia to prove my point. I'll say that the MIAO are originally Japanese.

o_O

[ DONE...now go read ]

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_You ]

Mythology
Along with Yan Di and Huang Di, Chi You is a deity in Hmong (who were orignally from Japan) mythology, Chi You was the mythical leader of the Hmongs, king of Jiuli, and once a follower of Yan Di. When Huang Di subdued Yan Di, Chi You was weary of the suppression and conspired with Yan Liang, another deity. Soon, Hmong and Han clashed in the battle of Zhuolu.

o_O

According to the Hmong History (Haiv Hmoob Liv Xwm), it said that everything were taken over by the Han. This mean that Chinese were using Hmong alphabet, laws (Justices) and more. Those laws that the Chinese were using to punish the Hmong back then are those laws were used by the Hmong, so they used Hmong laws to punish the Hmong.
Back then Hmong were more advanced than the Chinese, Hmong used metal swords and Chinese used wood swords, in a battle there is no chance of winning.
Chinese scholars are agrees to this.

According to the Hmong History (Haiv Hmoob Liv Xwm), it said that everything were taken over by the Han

This mean that Chinese were using Hmong alphabet, laws (Justices) and more. Those laws that the Chinese were using to punish the Hmong back then are those laws were used by the Hmong, so they used Hmong laws to punish the Hmong.

Back then Hmong were more advanced than the Chinese, Hmong used metal swords and Chinese used wood swords, in a battle there is no chance of winning.
Chinese scholars are agrees to this.

According to the Hmong History (Haiv Hmoob Liv Xwm), it said that everything were taken over by the Han. This mean that Chinese were using Hmong alphabet, laws (Justices) and more. Those laws that the Chinese were using to punish the Hmong back then are those laws were used by the Hmong, so they used Hmong laws to punish the Hmong.
Back then Hmong were more advanced than the Chinese, Hmong used metal swords and Chinese used wood swords, in a battle there is no chance of winning.
Chinese scholars are agrees to this.

The collection of oracle bones exgavated in Henan province was the one and only known language script of that time period,those turtle-shelled tablets bared no relation to Miao or Hmong.

Hehe, funny. On this forum we have Chinese nationalists, Mongolian nationalists, Korean nationalists and now Hmong naionalists?

Of these, only the Mongols have not claimed to be the creators of Chinese civilization.

dearCooLz:

well, the blue eyes, in my opinion, is probably just an old wives' tale. i've heard about it, but the explanation ever given was..."they were all killed off." so, i don't believe in this blue eyes theory as a lot of Hmong people I know are "wannabes." In other words, they want to be of some other nationality.

i can, however, vouch for Hmong who are naturally blonde. i know, 'cuz my ex-fiancee was Hmong and naturally blonde. it's a recessive in terms of genes. also, a few of my relatives are naturally blonde as well.

i'll PM you her pic, because it is from my old geocities page. geocities + bandwidth = pwned.

and i agree, it's funny how many people claim credits from the chinese. there's a lot of "nationalist" attitudes in here. people shouldn't make claims w/o sources to back their points.

i can, however, vouch for Hmong who are naturally blonde. i know, 'cuz my ex-fiancee was Hmong and naturally blonde. it's a recessive in terms of genes. also, a few of my relatives are naturally blonde as well.

i'll PM you her pic, because it is from my old geocities page. geocities + bandwidth = pwned.

and i agree, it's funny how many people claim credits from the chinese. there's a lot of "nationalist" attitudes in here. people shouldn't make claims w/o sources to back their points.

now you said it. i remember when i was little my body hair was golden, and my hair was yellowish. i still have some redish hair and mustache. funny stuff .

i can, however, vouch for Hmong who are naturally blonde. i know, 'cuz my ex-fiancee was Hmong and naturally blonde. it's a recessive in terms of genes. also, a few of my relatives are naturally blonde as well.

I've met a few mainland Northern Chinese immigrants in America do have natural light blond hair,these individuals are partly mixed with China Harbin's white Russians though.

okay...sent...check your PM.

i'm not sure if you can consider it ALBINISM, because their eyes are brown and their skin isn't white. they don't have vision problems and what not and can be in the sun for prolonged periods. they have the tan skin, but blonde is their natural hair color.

I think albinism is recessive while European-like blondism is dominant.. I've seen 2 unrelated mixed German-Chinese who have blond hair.
The blond gene are not from Chinese since no Chinese is blond... (not a recessive gene "dwelling" inside Chinese as well, otherwise Chinese-Chinese would have a rather high chance of pairing the 2 recessive alelles together)

I also want to see.

It might also be a joke that was taken seriuosly by kids

.... really? Oh, you're of foreign descent. How about your parents?

now you said it. i remember when i was little my body hair was golden, and my hair was yellowish. i still have some redish hair and mustache. funny stuff .

How yellowish/ blonde are you?
Like these on the pictures.
Blonde boy

Yellowish old man

i just viewed the pic agian,its not blonde,its more like dark-brown. i dunno,but it doesn't seem like natural brown to me.
my grandpa's eyes are greyish(well,hes a full hui,so)

This seems to be a typical costumes for Miao ladies in China..

I heard that there was a wall created in Southern China to seperate the Han and Miao. Is that true?

Koj paub nyeem ntawv Hmoob los? Los yog koj siv phau ntawv qhia ntsiab lus Hmoob online xwb?

I wonder why the Hmong/Miao are still very backwards in their towns.

while we the younger Miao/Hmong
are more into Modernizing.

Mythological folk-tales of Hmong
The Hmong people in Vietnam believe that the ancient Xiongnu ( ancestors of Mongols) from Mongolian steppe were actually a group of Hmong, led at the time by a sage of the clan. According to such theory, Hmong people once inhabited the area near Manchuria about 5,000 years ago. Ultimately, after their defeat at the mythological Battle of Zhuolu and the death of their leader Chi You (sometimes said to be a beast), they fled southward through China and Vietnam, although some of them stayed and regrouped to become the Xiongnu. There is speculation that the name "Xiong" means "the ruler" or "the great". In the Hmong language, the word Nu (maybe pronounced with a higher tone) means "work". It could be that the Xiongnu were the Hmong Xiong ruler's subjects. [citation needed]

Is there such folk tales among Hmong?

OT - Didn't the british destroy a lot of Celtic culture?

Don't get too "obsessed" over this issue like other people from smaller ethnic groups do. The idea that a nation-state or "country" formed of just ONE ethnic/ racial group is normal actually quite a recent (& inaccurate) one. The fact is race/ ethnic vs political identity are actually 2 separate (though closing intertwining) threads.

The development of a nation-state depends on a sufficiently advanced kind of political/ administrative structure-- which in modern/ anthropological terms means that there must be a social structure spanning ACROSS different clans/ tribes. I mean, if everybody is actually "related", then they merely have an extended clan/ tribe structure and really not a "nation/ country".

The Miao tribes are found all over South-west China (& parts of south-east Asia) and they are not completely homogeneous so your particular ancestors may indeed have been from Laos instead of inside Guizhou/ China. The Miao-zu "designation" is generic one for all the Miao tribes, like the Gaoshan/Shandi-zu is a generic designation for all the Hill/ Highland tribes-- for registration/ census purposes, it might get a much bit if all clan/ethnic info had to be recorded.

So I think the simple reason why no SINGLE "definitive" Miao nation/ empire was ever formed is because the Miao tribes lived in different places and are all quite different. The way it is logistically quite difficult for a SINGLE "definitive" Gaoshan nation/ empire to be formed. That's why Genghis Khan is a national hero for the Mongolians-- it was no mean feat "uniting/ subjugating" all the Mongolian (& non-Mongolian) tribes/ nations on the plains to create the political entity that was the Mongolian "nation/ empire".

P.S. As for the "origin" of the Miao people-- well, that's what legends & archaeology is for. If it helps, the "origins" of the Han/ Mongolian/ Xiongnu/ Chinese people are just as shrouded in myth and mystery as the Miao.

snowybeagle Posted Today, 01:41 AM

Think of the Celts in ancient Europe. They can't be restricted to a single particular modern country as the place of their origins, and there were a great deal of diversity among the Celts of different regions.

The situation more or less paralleled that of the Miao/Hmong.

The present day Hmong are like Mexicans. And the ancient Miao/Man are like the Spaniards of the past. From the southern/western areas of the Yangzi river they went down and overwhelmed another culture. Replaced their identity but also mixed to a great extent.

Yun Posted Today, 01:33 PM
JB, read this thread for more on Chiyou and the San Miao, as well as the more recent history of the Miao: http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=1407

The Miao (or Hmong, as they prefer to be called) of Guizhou have a bitter history of conflict with the Han Chinese. During the Ming dynasty, both the imperial government and Han settlers fought wars against the Miao that resulted in huge death tolls. The Miao also rebelled on many occasions throughout the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. These wars resulted in the building of the now-famous "southern Great Wall", a long wall to keep the Miao in the mountains away from Han Chinese settlements. Some have even described the Ming and Qing government policies towards the Miao as being state-sanctioned genocide, and they resulted in the dispersal of the Miao into scattered populations around Guizhou.

Indeed, the Miao are believed to have originated in northern and central China, as a group known as the San Miao ('three Miao'). Their leader, Ji You, fought a famous war with Huang Di (the Yellow Emperor), the semi-mythical ancestor of the Han Chinese, and Ji You was defeated and killed. The surviving San Miao were then driven into south China, where they were able to live in peace until the Han Chinese began expanding into the south and finally moved into Guizhou during the Ming and Qing.