I do not know of a single Hmong person claiming they are descended from the Caucasoid race, except for those few who are bi-racial. Makes me wonder which neck of the woods you're from.

I think it'll be a hard to answer the question how did the name 'Suav' was given to the Chinese by the Hmong. Hmong people don't have any records of anything and is probably unknown.
I think you guys should ask your parents. I'm very curious.
Does any other ethnic people call the Chinese similar to 'Suav' (pronounce Shoua)? Can anyone who's not Hmong in China History Forum verify what they call the Chinese? I guess by Chinese, I'm refering to the the Han since they are the majority.

if you break the syllable, it sounds a little similar to like 中華 with the exception that Ch -> Sh transition is rare.

Then if the Hmong has a reverse word order like a lot of the southern languages, then it could be 族華, which is race Hua.

But i am just guessing here.

Suav is only one syllable.

What do you mean by reverse word order? And what is 族華?

This is very interesting. let me introduce myself before I reply to people's comment.

I'm a Mongolian now married to my wife (she is hmong). Yes I am. Interesting isn't it. I have many hmong friends and chineses friends. I remember the first day when I attend college a hmong student first approach me with "sup geb mua koj kaw no thiab los." (sorry bad grammer) Which means sup face (slang meaning: homie/friend) you go here too. He thought I was hmong. I look Hmong, but I'm not Hmong. You could said my look is due to genetic, but that's your decision. I have never been interested in Hmong history until I met my wife and learn that the root of the Hmong people have been lost and now they are trying to search and puzzle everything together. You see, is really base on you to decide your history when you are digging that far back. No one could determine your history for you even if they TRY to prove it with "hard data" (written records). Hard data may and could never be true because there is always a dilema when it comes to the history of human-kind dating back that far. There is too much pride within us to believe what's right and wrong and we mostlikely will only agreed to our source (especially our side) of the story. For instance, we have the chinese scholar telling their side of the story about the history of the Hmong and Chinese people which many chinese tend to believe. However, we have the Hmong scholars telling their side of the story which Hmong tend to believe as well. Therefore, there is always a PROBLEM when a history is based on many findings or should I said when is based on a dilema. Let's give a great example of what I'm trying to said.

For example, to said that Hmong people were in China before the chinese, chinese will oppose to this statment. However, to said Hmong people is a sub-group of the antient chinese, chinese will agreed to this statment because the statment state the Chinese being the official race; nevertheless, the hmong people will oppose to it because they also have their own source. If we were to flip it around and say the chinese is a sub-group of the Hmong people, we get the same thing; the Chinese wouldn't agreed to this statment.

To say that we should only agreed on the statments or arguements that are back by facts which I'm assuming "hard data" may and could be incorrect. For example, do you really believe that OJ SImpson is innocent just because the glove didn't fit. The glove (hard data) was the evidence that saved his life, but I'm pretty sure you and I believe that OJ did do it. Another example, do you really believe that America is trying to free Iraq from being governed by dictatorship? (That's Hard data right there because that's what they said). I don't think so although the media and the government tend to say so. We all assume that George Bush decided to do it 1. because Saddam once tried to plot in assassination on his dad. 2. Bush is trying to westernize Iraq. 3. many other reasons that our troops is worthless dying for.

How did you know that the Hmong ran away and didn't fight the Hans? How in the hack did you come into believing that statment? DId you find that in a source. If so, was the source written by a Chinese person or Hmong or other race (give me the source). My Hmong friends once told me that "when your history is written by your enemies (which in this case the Chinese), it is always fault because they will always determine themselve as the superior and put more irrelevant details in it due to the pride within them. For example, if I was to say "during the ghangis Khan Era (mongol empire), the Chinese didn't even stand a chance; Ghangis Khan marks his territory on every land he steps foot on." DO you think the CHinese people will agree to this statment (Mongolian people believe so)? The answer to this is NO. The chinese will give you details of how great their ancestors had fought Us (Mongolians).

To say that we should NOT believe an agrument that is only back by words may be wrong. Meaning maybe we should, when an argument is supported by so many thousands of voices of all ages especially the elder. Ask the majority of the Hmong people about blues eyes and white skins, they probably will say that they (the Hmong) once did have blue eyes and light skin, but that dominant gene had disappeared due to the killing by the Antient Chinese (due to easy identification). Now is that true? Is you to decide.

To say that hmong people have problems controlling their temper is strictly bias. Look at black people, they have short temper. I'm pretty sure Mongolian and Chinese people have temper problem as well.

So Jamie Merit Hamilton said that Vang Pao was the one who insist UN and everyone else to call the Hmong people Hmong. Are you going to believe him? Do you really think that is true? Do you really believe that the term Hmong were given by Vang Pao and/or Yang Dao? I don't think so. The term existed before they ever lived.

Many hmong people believe their king were poisoned by a trader who was fooled by the Chinese (this is before the CHi Yu time); therefore that is why the Hmong or miao (whatever you want to call them) started to fall. The Chinese doesn't agreed to this. They believe their ancestor beat the Hmong fair and square. Well, is you to decide (being a Hmong person). All Hmong from all ages are sticking to their sotry, so is the Chinese.

Just because Merit noted in his book that Chao Fav was never recognized by Vang Pao, are you really going to believe him? I think you should ask your mom and dad because they tend to know more about the vietnam war then Merit. Personally, I think you should ask Vang Pao. He will give you a different and true-er answer.

Today, many chao fav are begging for mercy. They're not trying to rebell. I'm pretty sure you have seen all the videos. They're begging for mercy in the videos. The reason why they can't come out is because they know they will be killed. For example, If they were terrorists, they wouldn't beg for mercy in the BBC video clips. We don't see Terrorist in Afganisthan and Iraq begging for mercy. All we see is them chopping American's head and sending verbal threats to AMerica. Go to factfinding.org to learn more. "Type "save the people" "bloody wednesday" "hunting like Animals" on youtube to learn more. By the way, what ever happen to the Hmong lady who fought for chao fav's freedom (through striking) and were arrested by the LPDR. LPDR said she is in their correction ficility, however, no one was and still is unable to get a hold of her. SHE IS DIED. Believe me. FAcfinding.org. Believe me, there's no peace at all.

I visited Laos with my father-and-law right after our trip to Mongolia last year. From what I understand, the Hmong people are consider and recognize as "Hmong" by the Laos government. How do I know. On the section where it tells you to mark your race and ethnicity on the lao airport form, "there is the term Hmong and no Miao/Meo."

Now when it comes down to the term "miao" it will always be unclear. There is too many sides of history in regards to this term. My wife said she is Hmong not Miao due to the fact that Miao is historically considered as "the barbarian/people of the forest." However, is you to decide who you are and what to believe. Remember the Chinese call Hmong Miao and the Hmong call the Chinese "Suav." How come the term Suav is so different from "Chinese" and MIAO is so differnt from Hmong? Interesting RIGHT. Probably the Hmong was force to accept the term MIAO by the Chinese. Who knows??????...

In regards to Chi Yu, we will never know the true story. History is lost. More over, editors tend to add insuffient information to history nowadays. History is always upgraded. DUh..

Just because Chinese is the dominant one according to the history we could date back, it doesn't mean everyone broke apart from Chinese. Ask the Vietnamese people, they said they're a whole different race. Everyone has their own side. Go to Hmongabc.com it has many books and video documentaryabout the history of Hmong. But like I said is up to you to believe it.

So I conclude that :
When you try to collect history "that far back" (espiecially when is before Christ) it is UNCLEAR. It is you to decide what is correct and what is not. If you're hmong and you tend to go against the the Hmong source is your choice. Same goes to the Chinese.

PEACE........

This was something that JB Xyooj was trying to prove in earlier posts, that our self-designation "Hmong" did not exist until the war, and that it was Vang Pao and/or Yang Dao that "coined" this term for us. However, that isn't the case, since the name "Hmong" has always been our name and we have always called ourselves as such.


The Chao Fa today, is not the Chao Fa of the early 20th century. The former was a messianic cult, whose leader was rumored to have been killed on orders from Vang Pao. The Chao Fa that we know today are remanants of Vang Pao's army who after the fall of Loojceeb fled to the mountains and whom to this very day are the only resistance in communist Laos.

I am now reading a book written by the Taiwanese historian Wang Ming-ke, published last year. In it, he explores the ancestral myths of several Chinese minory peoples, and argues that these were constructed under 'Han' (or 'Huaxia') cultural influence. In one short section, he argues that before the Ming dynasty, there are no records of the Miao/Hmong having claimed to be descendants of Chiyou. Even in the Ming and up to the mid-Qing, there are still very few statements in Chinese sources to the effect that Chiyou was the ancestor of the Miao.

Wang concludes from this that Chiyou only became recognized as the legendary ancestor of the Miao/Hmong in the 19th and 20th centuries because the Han said that they were; in other words, it was not an indigenous tradition of the Miao/Hmong people. He cites a Southern Song source that states that there was a group of 'Man' ('southern barbarians') in Guizhou that was known in Chinese as the Mao (the same word as 'cat'), and infers that the Mao gradually came to be called Miao by the Chinese. This coincidence in names led the Chinese to invent a story that the Miao were descendants of Chiyou's San-Miao tribe. The Miao/Hmong themselves gradually accepted this story because it gave them an ancestor with the prestigious reputation of having been the rival (and therefore political equal) of the legendary ancestor of the Han people.

I would like to know whether the Hmong members have any counter to this argument.

What's the title of the book? what page and section is it? I'll like to know. I'm doing a research on the relationship of Asia. It's hard to believe your statment because there are so many sources that conflict with what you said. Go to HmongABC.com and review thouse sources if you want, but I'm pretty you're not going to (believe them) since the sources are not written by a taiwanese and/or chinese, instead is written by Hmong and Mien scholars. LIke I said when it comes to trying to understand history this far back, evidence is lost and books are updated with insufficient data and information. Everyone have their side of the story. SO it is really up to you as an individual to make your own decision.

For example, do you really believe Ganghis Khan is the son of GOD who were sent to conquer Asia. You probably don't believe it because Ganghis Khan has been known as the enemy of Chinese ancestors. BUt I belive Ganghis is the son of GOD. Many Mongolia history books say so. YOu see, there's a dilema. Thus, is really up to you to decide.

王明珂... 華夏邊緣──歷史記憶與族群認同（台北：允晨文化出版公司，1997）

sounds like this book................. sorry i don't know the English title.

I agree with you about the "rumored" but like I say who knows the truth. Of course they are the resistance in communist Laos. But that does not mean they want to rebell. For example, if China took over USA, will you want to be govern by a communist government (assuming you're weak like the chav fa) when you're consider as a soldier of the United States, the answer is no because you don't trust the communist. You will believe that since you once were under the US force, the communist would kill you and your family. Does that means you're planning to overthowrn the government, NO. You're probably will be doing like the chav fa is doing right now, begging for British to come and get you out of the USA, right. Listen to the chao fa's cry and sorrow, you dont hear them said "oh Americans come back and help us fight the war." You hear them said directly to USA and Vang Pao to come and take them out of Laos, if not then for the USA to bomb them because they will rather be killed by their old ally instead of the communist.

I agreed with you. She/he is probably making it up.

"Hmong nationalist claim the blood of European descent. "

Your source is most likely wrong...I don't think they're THAT dellusional.

That was his first book, which I am also reading (English title: On Chinese borderlands : historial memory and ethnic identity). His latest book, which contains the comments about the Chiyou legend, was published in 2006. The title: 英雄祖先與弟兄民族 (translation: 'Heroic Ancestors and Brother Nations'). Intro to the book (in Chinese) can be found at http://findbook.tw/b/ISBN/9789867178220

I have read his articles on 羌 Qiang's 弟兄民族, but I mean like it is saying the legend of borthers, not brother nations? But that might just be the Qiang article.

His theory is essentially that as the 'Huaxia' political and cultural sphere expanded, those 'non-Huaxia' peoples on the margins joined the 'Huaxia' ethnic community for economic and political reasons, by claiming that their ancestors were also Huaxia heroes who had been exiled or fled to the margins. Thus a non-Huaxia ethnic group could become a 'brother nation' or 'brother ethnos' of the Huaxia.

http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Hmong_people
http://www.geocities.com/kaoly_y/HistoireC...lish112603.html

Just wanted to post these two sites up here in case any one wanted to know more about the Hmong people.

Oh is that so now?.. what about that one iceangelic user that claim that we are mutts...

Correction the Chao Fa are not the only resistance group, in southern Lao there is a Royal Lao Militia that still continues the fight for the old anarchy government.



Ever since some idiot coined the idea that Hmong Use to formerly have blue eyes... a few individual youth have even claim that we are descent from European ancestry... " Hell even that angelic chick was ranting about how we are "Mutts"

Everyone is a mutt. There is no such thing as a "pure" race or ethnicity. But for you to say that "some" Hmong people (with the exception of those few who are bi-racial) claim to be descended from Europeans... that's kind of

I have nieces, nephews and cousins who are mixed, Hmong/Spaniard, Hmong/French, and Hmong/Mekas dawb and they don't even acknowledge their "white" side because to them, they're just another Hmong kid.

How can you be sure of that... frankly that just as theoretical as my statement that "Some" Hmong claim Europen Desecent... to that there is no such thing as a pure ethnic can be as... say the least. You don't have to believe my statement that there are individual Hmong that claim European ancestry due to that moronic Blue Eye Myth... that supposely made us unqiue

Even if you tell me your nieces and nephew are mix, and even if your just telling a lie to prove your point... thats still consider bi-racial... whether or not they acknoweldge it. Never the less they are mixture.... (My Pet is Godzilla... My Dad a Martin, and My Mom is From Venus... My sibling are descendant from Mao Zedong. **sarcasm**)

While having both parents that are Hmong... you are as considered... Hmong... Nothing else... therefore that as pure as it is...

There you go again... insinuating that I am lying. You don't know me and you don't know my family... period.

It seems that your definition of "pure" and my definition are two different things. But according to our Hmong beliefs, you only have to be 50% Hmong to be considered full-blooded Hmong, so long as that 50% that's Hmong is from your father.

How do I know if your telling me the truth?... You can't just consider me to believe that your telling me the truth
cause you say you are...

So your saying that according to our belief you only have to be 50% Hmong to be Pure?.... as if you speak for the majority....
When your mix... your mix.... but if both of your parents are Hmong you are 100% Hmong....
Please don't act like you speak for every individual Hmong....

I never said that I speak for every individual, so please stop putting words into my mouth. If you don't believe, go and ask your elders. According to our beliefs, our way of life, you only need to be 50% to be pure Hmong, as long as that 50% is from your father. The old saying goes "you are what your father is." Perhaps you live where there's not a lot of Hmong people or perhaps you're just ignorant. I suggest you go and visit a large Hmong community and see for yourself. And if you're ever in my neck of the woods, I'll be more than glad to arrange a meeting for you with mixed Hmong people from both sides so you can get an understanding of what it's like. A person whose father is Hmong and mother is a different ethnic/race is treated and embraced fully by the Hmong community, whereas someone whose mother is Hmong and father is a different ethnic/race is completely shunned by the Hmong community. Like I stated in my earlier post, I have nieces and nephews who are Hmong-Spaniard (their mother is Spaniard) and even though my nieces and nephews do not speak nor understand a single word of Hmong, wherever they go Hmong people always say "Ob tus menyuam Hmoob no mas cas yuav ntxiv hlub ua luaj li os." However it's the opposite with another one of my nieces, whose father is Mekas dawb. Wherever she goes, Hmong people are always calling her "Mekas dawb" even though she's fluent in Hmong, knows kwv txhiaj and has lived her entire life in Hmong communities and is married to a Hmong man.

Our Hmong society is a patrilineal society/culture. That is why we belong to our father's clan rather than our mother's. That is why when we teev xwm kab, we only do it for our ancestors from our father's side. That is why when our fathers ntog pob ntoo, he only invites ancestor spirits from his clan to the table to feast. And when you look at a drawn Hmong family tree, only men are listed... unless a daughter had died before being married, then she also appears on the family tree. Koj txiv yog dabtsi ces koj yog li ntawm thiab.

Yog tias koj xav paub ntxiv tshaj no ces koj abtsi mus nug koj cov coj noj coj haus, koj cov neeg laus, lawv thiaj li paub qhov tseeb.

Please stop that.... Your implying that your speaking for the whole majority... that our ethnic have the same belief as you...
just stop. I wasn't putting words in your mouth I was implying what you wrote in your statement... You quoted that My parents have the same belief as you, Our culture and etc etc..... again.... Not every Hmong individual thinks like you.... (Heck my dad is fricking baised when it comes to mix....) If your not speaking for every individual quit implying like you are.



Oh geez... don't get so offended now... to go call me ignorant.... You obviously have no idea what in the blue blaze's you are doing.... You quote So long as your father is Hmong you are 100% Hmong.... but yet you fail to look from the outside point of view.... of what others will say.... and what others believe... again please quit acting like everyone gonna agree with you... just stop... its sad.... that's not call being ignorant... that call looking it from a point perspective... do not attempt to Categorize people Opinion just because their isn't the same as yours.... Dude I'm from Mpls, MN, Wi, and CA are the most populated state with Hmong Population... don't be so judgemental.... Sure I'll be glad to meet you one day with individual from my side and there point of view on Mix Hmong, The question... remains will they consider them full blooded or mix....

Dude it doesn't matter if you belong to the mother branch or the father branch... if your mix... reality say's your mix....
if your full blooded Hmong... then your mom and dad has to be hmong... common sense...

It don't matter if you have people calling mix bi-racial individual from the father side Hmong... that still in reality doesn't make them full blooded....

Oh yeah and I'm related to Mao Zedong, Alexander the Great, Nobunaga Oda, and I'm the late descent from the Qing Dynasty...
(Sarcasm)

Don't be so idealogically control... As if you speak for our culture and belief.... Heck I'll even do a survey for you.... and ask Hmong Youth individual... from around the community to chip in their 5 cent opinion... I'll even go as far as put it in Hmoob Teen Magazines and ship you an article on it.... what do you say?

I smell a bet... what do you say eh?

*Sigh* Koj xia xia nsthev hev

Hmph... cas yuav xav ua Mos Xesnroo ua luaj li os menyuam Hmoob aws?

Ummm... before you go calling me names, make an effort and find out what it is you're calling and make sure you know how to spell it correctly also.

* rolls eyes *

Like I said in my earlier post, koj xav paub ntxiv ces abtsi mus nug koj cov coj noj coj haus, thiab koj cov laus. Lawv qhia koj, koj thiaj li yuav ntseeg. Paub kuv hais lawm los, menyuam Hmoob Dais?

BTW, it's useless and pointless to do a survey since you will be polling teens and not the elders. Hmong youths these days are disenchanted, disillusioned and lack knowledge of our history, culture and beliefs.

Was I calling you name? or did you just read that wrongs.... **chuckles** I said your losing salt... don't overexaggerate kiddo

So your saying that all Hmong Youth are disillusioned and lack knowledge of our history and culture.. and belief?
again... quit acting like you speak for every single individual.... Its quite baised to say so the least... I can see your so idealogically control... its just silly... **chuckles**

Hm.. maybe the person will just be considered to be Hmong?
I've never heard patrilineal people (overseas Chinese should be one example) mentioning about "purity" of half-mixed guys.

"You are what your father is." -> I don't like this concept but many people do seem to think like this (esp. older).

May I ask you what is "Mekas dawb"? I guess dawb = white...

Mekas means americans

so hmoob mekas would be Hmong-Americans
mekas dawb would be white americans

For some reason I find our language kinda prejudice (Sarcastic Joke- Not to be taken seriously)


Culturally? (Depending on the Individual in the community), individually? (Depends on the individual), But Genetically... No.

You don't make any sense.

Your comment to me was:



You should really try to improve your Hmong. Looked like you were trying to say "koj siab txia ntshav heev." Ua ntej koj yuav cem tibneeg, los si hais lus phem lus thuam lwm leej lwm tus, nco ntsoov tias cov laus yeej ib txwm hais tseg tias "yog yus ua txhaum mas txhaum 9 tiam, hos yog yus coj zoo mas yuav zoo mus 9 tis." Ceevfaj tsam tsis yog koj cem kuv los si lwm tus, tiamsis hos yog koj rov cem koj tus kheej xwb mog.



BTW, please don't call me "kiddo", I'm old enough to be your mother, dear.

Where's the proof? Where's the evidence? How come we never hear of them? If such a royal militia do exist, then it's obvious that they're not kicking up enough dirt.

See I wonder why you always attempt to avoid my other statement and go straightforward to my misues of Hmong and veer off to something that is completely different , and please I'm americanize I can't understand every tab of word you are writting in our romanize language, Please if your gonna make a statement write it in english or record it on youtube if your so presistent about schooling me on a written langauge rarely any of us actually ever practices ... apparently if this continue we will eventually veer off topic (Don't make me fetch my 1995 Hmong dictionary. *Sarcastic Joke*)

You could be right that the the Remains of the RLG is not kicking up enough dirt...


http://factfinding.org/media.html
Since I have a Mac I can't give you the actual video link... but that link above will provide you with the video gallery...
Its either the "Secret War goes on" "Beyond the MeKong." or "Hope Lost" its one of those three video where one will feature
a partial scene of a Lao Militia supposely as stated in the video located in southern Laos.

http://www.freelebanon.org/articles/a167.htm
This site also contains list of active cells within the LPDR

Laos Lao Liberation Army LLA
Active
Laos Lao National Liberation Movement LNLM
Active
Laos United Lao National Liberation Front ULNLF
Active


I'll find some more later....

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:j-CXP...;cd=1&gl=us

Laos
Govt
Lao issara
1954
D
Pathet Lao, North Vietnam
1974–75
D
Various right-wing, neutralist and tribal insurgents
1976–88
O, D
ULNLF (United Lao National Liberation Front), FDLNSF (Free Democratic Lao National Salvation Front)
1992
O, D
Hmong Organization
1999–2000
O, D

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Asia-an...MED-FORCES.html

ARMED FORCES

In 2002 the armed forces in Laos numbered 29,100. The army of 25,000 was equipped with 25 main battle tanks. The army marine section, equipped with 16 patrol crafts, had 600 personnel. The air force, with 3,500 personnel, was equipped with antiaircraft missiles and 24 combat aircraft. Militia selfdefense forces numbered approximately 100,000 organized for local defense. The armed forces faced about 2,000 rebels from the United Lao National Liberation Front (ULNLF). Defense expenditures in 1998 were $55 million.

This site is outdated. The copyright is from 1997-2004.

The Lao National Liberation Movement and the United Lao National Liberation Front is the same organization. And if I'm not mistaken, the LNLM/ULNLF is General Vang Pao and General Phoumi Nosavan's "organization." The ULNLF was blamed for several bombings in Vientiane a few years ago, yet to this day there is no evidence to prove these accusations. This organization is funded mostly in part by donations from Hmong people in America and various western countries.

Yeah I recently found a site by google restating the fact that ULNLF is a Vang Pao Join Phoumi Organization...
But did you view the video... Note: Remember the Hmong aren't the only one wanting to retake back that third world country.

Are they video or audio? I'm only getting audio.

Their should be a video as well... did you install the plugin?

Wonder if it's Xia

Tibetans call Chinese rgya

how do you pronounce that?

After reading pages and pages of the history of the Miao/Hmong people, I developed a BIG migraine. There were very interesting facts about Miao people and its origin, but how do we know what's real or not?

I have to admit I did learn new things on every page. I was surprised I even read the pages.

BUT...whatever happened in the past, no one really knows. Although I am amazed how much you guys did your research.

Any one have any info of the Hmong Wall that the Chinese built to keep the Hmong out from the their terrirtory? I've heard about it but cannot find much info on it. Supposely it is a smaller version of the Great Wall. What is the whole story behind it and its location etc.?

I don't know really much about it.. and I think someone already posted an image of it in this thread...
somewhere along the southern borders.

OH MY GOD!!!!.... I can't believe you post here too.. YOUA!!!!
LOL..

Good morning frieds, I am apologize tha I just came in herer, I would like to enjoy with your lolks, and I want to share alittle stories about hmong and chinese, Chinese Called us Miao, but we called our selves hmong. My nick name is hlub, it meant love. I read a lot of the hmong stories and hmong king in China, I hope every one might interested a bout it.

here is hmong ABC site, this site record a lot of hmong lived in china before Jesus born.


Thank you to remind me Admin.

Oh no not another Hmong Nationalist, who is tyring to blunt his way by using Hmong nationalist Myth such as the ABC site to conjure his way... eh Comrade.... go back like 30 pages and start reading from their... I believe we already discussed your petty nationalistic ideals before.

Tsis totaub koj hais li os.

definitely should
http://www.hawaii.edu/cseas/pubs/explore/han.html

Meaning, there is no point to make a nationalistic stance about illrelavant facts.

Here is Suab Hmong Radio
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here is Lao communist came to usa
hmong story in China
Hmong stories and story cloth
show all hmong image
The Hmong in Wimona
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Here Hmong king Chi You in China and the real answer for your folks
Admin: Please don't post multiple times in a row, and please don't enlarge your text.
I am sorry Admin, here is my second time, thank you for remind me.

I personally I believe you are a total insult to the Hmong Scholar area...
You remind me of the Many Hmong nationalist... who have no clue, or no idea bout our history
and rather take nationalistic opinion of Hmong Fanatics as fact...

I am disappointed in you... Further more... Your unregulated post make us look retarded as a whole ethnic
Please... Don't post nationalistic stuff online.