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CARDINAL009
When reading some of the responses @ CHF and other sites, wondered if the responder understand what strategy and tactics are about.

Q#1: What type of challenges do you encounter from applying the principles from the Chinese strategic classics? Another words, define your weakness.

Q#2: What are your strengths when applying principles from the Chinese strategic classics?
Define your Strengths.

Poll taker is allowed to select more than one choice.
Master Ghost Valley
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When reading some of the responses @ CHF and other sites, wondered if the responder understand what strategy and tactics are about.

Q#1: What type of challenges do you encounter from applying the principles from the Chinese strategic classics? Another words, define your weakness.

Q#2: What are your strengths when applying principles from the Chinese strategic classics?
Define your Strengths.

Poll taker is allowed to select more than one choice.


Interesting subject:
I share a weakness of having no doubt my targets really understand the difference between real losses and imaginary gains, that they make decisions based on logic instead of emotion, and over and over again it turns out I should have had major doubts......I do not know who said " When emotion rules, reason flees," but he or she was right. To continue to be influenced by " should be" instead of "what is " is in my view " beaconing disaster "......yet time and time again..........the lack of acting on the real instead the imagined is ......a correction very much needed, and perhaps the questions asked on this poll are a good way to start some of us thinking.
CARDINAL009
Forgot to add the category of ["Ability to Adjust"] on both polls.

Can the moderators rectify the problem?

Thks!
shawn
For me, I am not too sure if I am not so sure on what I know and don't know and not really knowing on how to apply some tactics and strategies even though I may understand them.
CARDINAL009
It is quite interesting that we have so many members and no one is willing to participate in this poll. Wonder why!?
Master Ghost Valley
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It is quite interesting that we have so many members and no one is willing to participate in this poll. Wonder why!?


Hi CARDINAL009: Do not dispair

I would say the answer is:many members simply can not or do not choose to apply the doctrines preaced here and the lessons here are are not truly learned.

A slang expression might be " They talk the talk but they can not walk the walk."

So from the meager turnout, the pole is a success and you have the answer...Another answer may be.. from the subject matter posted all over the forum but not in your poll......most are not even interested. How do you like that! Strategist not onterested in strategy!
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(Master Ghost Valley @ Mar 27 2007, 04:20 PM) [snapback]4881721[/snapback]
Hi CARDINAL009: Do not dispair

I would say the answer is:many members simply can not or do not choose to apply the doctrines preached here and the lessons here are are not truly learned.

A slang expression might be " They talk the talk but they can not walk the walk."

So from the meager turnout, the pole is a success and you have the answer...Another answer may be.. from the subject matter posted all over the forum but not in your poll......most are not even interested. How do you like that! Strategist not onterested in strategy!


>A slang expression might be " They talk the talk but they can not walk the walk."

Do you mean "They talk about the walk. But they can't walk the talk. To be the man, you got to be the man." Whoooooooooo

>Strategist not onterested in strategy!
You mean strategists who think that they are strategists, but rarely think like it. Their daily action is quoting "Chinese strategy-related lines" from the classics and their reading of historical events like a fortune cookie, never ever gotten their hands dirty.

Wonder why?
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(shawn @ Jan 12 2007, 04:31 AM) *
For me, I am not too sure if I am not so sure on what I know and don't know and not really knowing on how to apply some tactics and strategies even though I may understand them.


The key to knowing how to use the strategyand tactics, begins by knowing the big picture.
Hannibal27
QUOTE(CARDINAL009 @ Oct 1 2007, 06:33 PM) *
The key to knowing how to use the strategyand tactics, begins by knowing the big picture.


I agree; regardless of whether strategy and tactics result in short term loss or victory, be rest assured that if it is not in accordance with the big picture, one is bound to have created future conflict for themselves.

Attach the consideration of the welbeing of the big picture to your goals and you will begin on a path to knowing yourself. Once aware of yourself and practiced with the experience of moving with this consideration, you will then be able to know others and your surrounding more clearly. When looking at the big picture, remember it includes everyone/everything. A mistake people often make is viewing anyone as an enemy. Enemies do not exist past the ego; it is our choice to join or feed such ignorance and destructive thinking. Sit outside of it and you can move people and win without fighting because there will be no resistance. Compassion is a key.

Weakness: I make mistakes; as well I work with my wife smile.gif

Strengths: I've learnt and developed from the many mistakes I've made, and will continue to learn from the many more to come.
CARDINAL009
QUOTE(Hannibal27 @ Oct 1 2007, 08:55 PM) *
I agree; regardless of whether strategy and tactics result in short term loss or victory, be rest assured that if it is not in accordance with the big picture, one is bound to have created future conflict for themselves.

Attach the consideration of the welbeing of the big picture to your goals and you will begin on a path to knowing yourself. Once aware of yourself and practiced with the experience of moving with this consideration, you will then be able to know others and your surrounding more clearly. When looking at the big picture, remember it includes everyone/everything. A mistake people often make is viewing anyone as an enemy. Enemies do not exist past the ego; it is our choice to join or feed such ignorance and destructive thinking. Sit outside of it and you can move people and win without fighting because there will be no resistance. Compassion is a key.

Weakness: I make mistakes; as well I work with my wife smile.gif

Strengths: I've learnt and developed from the many mistakes I've made, and will continue to learn from the many more to come.


Was working with a strategy consultant in Silicon Valley. Where he talked to me about the integration of two different big pictures, the strategy and the individuals.
It was quite deep in concept and pragmatic in its functionality.

What he told me was , "The Will to Will is the Greater than anything else. The Will to Prepare is greater than the Will to win."

He told me "To gain this state of "Will to Will", it starts with attaining that consummate conscious state of completeness. ... To be a competent competitor that wins, it starts with that. ... You can't think that you are going to win when you can't feel you are going to win. It is having a complete conscious state that enables you to expect to win."

Am only touching on the brief points of the conversation. It is more deeper than what is written.

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>Compassion is a key.
To become compassionate, one must have the conscious to be in that state.


One can have all of the strategy and tactics in the world. If he does not have the conscious to implement the Dao of Strategy, this boy is not going to win.
LiBajiQuan
A strategist must be prepared to execute the most effective strategy/tactics to attain victory with the least amount of damage to oneself (or army)
CARDINAL009
QUOTE (LiBajiQuan @ Mar 25 2008, 12:45 AM) *
A strategist must be prepared to execute the most effective strategy/tactics to attain victory with the least amount of damage to oneself (or army)


One cannot prepare him/herselves if the assessmments and expectations are incorrect.
tung2sai
I'm not sure if this is correct, but I heard from some TV program that one of the Ancient Chinese strategists believed how the greatest victory in war (or a battle) is when one can win without having to physically fight or shed any blood.

I think there are examples that could somewhat demonstrate this ideal, but I did read online about how Guo Ziyi I believe in his latter years managed to make the enemy go away without shedding any blood.
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