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TMPikachu
I posted the changdao from Thomas Chen's site on another forum, and a poster said this:

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it was only japanese import.

biggest part of kongxia money was maked by this import with help of Wokou.

btw. kongxia =/= ming.

>1) A genuine Qing Dynasty zhanmadao , custom-forged and equipped with high-end fittings.

was developed from mongol and central asian sabres. (mongolian idea)

>I think it's plausible that the Ming were capable of producing these swords to outfit one of their armies.

not specialy this Tachi sword.

japanese rebuilded and rearmed their armies in those time and to sell this sword (he was replaced by cheaper in production naginata and katana) was very nice idea to make extra money with old design weapons.

it was some chinese replicas but wich were completly failed in a fight with kavalery because chinese didnt know all parte of production of this sword. so they created something new with same blade design but with different prouction art and handle.


saying that Changdao were never made in Ming, but were old swords being phased out in Japan and sold to China.

Though the guy seems to be talking about Kongxia, I guess he is saying that Ming never used such a sword :/


I believe Thomas Chen's site over this one anonymous poster, but where could I find more info about the use of changdao in Ming?

I've also never heard of the practice of Japan selling old swords to the mainland. I know there were mainland collectors of Japanese swords, but that's for private collections, not outfitting armies.
Yang Zongbao
I suspect that this guy might be a tool who's repeating something from Kungfu magazine, where they presented a dubious looking "antique" Qi Jia Dao (which I still argue isn't actually a specific type of weapon), and said that the Ming produced bad quality sabers, so commissioned everything from Japan...it was a load of bullcrap, but people believe it. :/

Try swordforum. There's still a topic on that somewhere, I believe.
TMPikachu
Just seems to be trolling. His latest post is about how "Tang" and "Ming" are not China, China is just a 20th century concept, Japan only got 'basic' ideas from the mainland, the Tachi and Katana being completely home grown.

Sounds like a post on /v/ from a few months ago. You ever hang on 4chan long enough where you feel like you've met the same anonymous again? It's like that.

hmmm... found some amusing stuff on google

I did a search for "Chinese Katana" or something like that, got some wieeeeeeerd stuff

like

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the first one is that the katana was modeled after the Muslim's sword used in the crusades, in other words the katana is a modified schimitar. if this is true then somehow the japanese traveled to the mideast or somehow encountered one and modeled after it... I find this one very unlikely. I am reading a Book called samurai william and it is talking about the first europeans(portugese) who found japan and they called the katanas schimitars, so thats my guess as to where this history came into being.

the other i heard is that when china contoled Japan that the emporer of china had a double edged sword and out of respect for the emporer the japanese made single edged weapons....


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