gymonkey16
Apr 9 2007, 12:09 PM
Just out of curiousity. I do, I think we all came from the same central asian source and just branched out over time
wally
Apr 10 2007, 08:22 AM
Personally i think it could be
e.g. Japanese has 25% Chinese DNA and 24% Korean DNA.And there is no pure-blood nationalities in this planet.
Ohno
Apr 10 2007, 12:13 PM
Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.
gymonkey16
Apr 10 2007, 05:26 PM
QUOTE(Ohno @ Apr 10 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]4883720[/snapback]
Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.
I can see why your classmates would feel that way, I mean i do.....it's just my opinion . I mean if the japanese mongolians and manchu ect all came from the same group as koreans. Then where would chinese fit in? where would we have come from we obviously didn't just spring up from the group. I mean we both look extremely similar I mean how did we get that way if have absolutely nothing in common?. I'm chinese but i'm always mistaken korean or japanese. Even by the chinese
Anthrophobia
Apr 10 2007, 06:33 PM
Oh please, ever heard of out of Africa theory? Everybody's related. That question needs to be way more specific.
Intranetusa
Apr 10 2007, 10:10 PM
QUOTE(Ohno @ Apr 10 2007, 12:13 PM) [snapback]4883720[/snapback]
Koreans has adopted han Chinese cultures but I don't think koreans are related to han Chinese in race. Koreans in history are nomadic tribes speading over northeastern China, Korean peninsular island. Koreans along with manchus, mongolians, Xibo, Dawuer, Hezhe belong to the same big group, Tongdar which is different from Han group. But I have no idea why my Korean classmate said Chinese and Koreans had the same ancestors.
Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)
SE Asian/South Asian are a separate group that branched off in the middle east.
naruwan
Apr 10 2007, 11:02 PM
QUOTE(Intranetusa @ Apr 10 2007, 08:10 PM) [snapback]4883805[/snapback]
Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)
SE Asian/South Asian are a separate group that branched off in the middle east.
i remember reading a research blaming baldness to middle eastern genes. it was very interest XD
but then again, have you ever seen a bald Native American?
galvatron
Apr 11 2007, 09:29 AM
I think in term of language ,Korea language are belong to a group Altaics-Tungus-uralics which are more closer to Japan ,Mongol ,Daur ,Manchu ,Xibo,Finnish ,Magyar etc,Han chinese language belong to Sino-Tibetans which are closer to Tibet ,Zhuang ,Burma etc,In theory like Multireligion evolution ,all Mongoloid people are evoved from Peking Man which mean Korea and Chinese are more related compare to Korea and Magyar i think ,this theory also use by Muslim Hardliner to deny those out of african theory .
Intranetusa
Apr 11 2007, 06:02 PM
^ Muslims Hardliners don't believe in evolution flat. Fundamentalists believe in Abrahamic creationism - Adam and Eve, 6 days & 7000 years, etc
"all Mongoloid people are evoved from Peking"
Well, the Peking Man is not human anyways. The Peking man is a "Homo erectus pekinensis"
Modern humans are Homo Sapien Sapiens.
General_Zhaoyun
Apr 19 2007, 06:59 AM
There is no evidence to suggests that Koreans are related to han-chinese 'genetically', unless if you want to group Koreans and han-chinese to be under the anthropology group of "mongoloids" (according to their looks/features).
Lingustically, Koreans are related to altaic-turkic-tungusic branch family, which differs from chinese's Sino-tibetan branch. Even a 'han-chinese' is not a 'pure ethnicity', as they tend to be a rather loose group unified by a common cultural identity. Many han-chinese today are rather mixed, and even northern han and southern han differed in terms of look/facial appearance/build.
Yongwoni GOD
Apr 22 2007, 12:54 AM
QUOTE(Intranetusa @ Apr 10 2007, 09:10 PM) [snapback]4883805[/snapback]
Go to the Out of Africa link on wikipedia. Koreans are related to Northern Chinese. Southern Chinese are a separate group that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
(btw Northern Chinese also includes Manchu)
False statement. Today's southern Han are mostly made up of Han from the Central Plains (who have migrated to the south in mass numbers since the past 2000 years). Though they have, to some extent, mixed with the southern natives which are groups that branched off from the Northern Chinese/Korean/etc group in the Mongolia region.
gymonkey16
Apr 23 2007, 07:43 PM
Actually we are genetically related
I didn't type this
"Study of Korean Male Origins (abstract)[5]
Sunghee Hong, Seong-Gene Lee, Yongsook Yoon, Kyuyoung Song
University of Ulsan College of Medicine, 388-1 Poongnap-dong, Songpa-ku, Seoul, Korea
Population studies of genetic markers such as HLA variation and mitochondrial DNA have been used to understand human origins, demographic and migration history. Recently, diversity on the nonrecombining portion of the Y chromosome (NRY) has been applied to the study of human history. Since NRY is passed from father to son without recombination, polymorphisms in this region are valuable for investigating male-mediated gene flow and for complementing maternally based studies of mtDNA. Haplotypes constructed from Y-chromosome markers were used to trace the paternal origins of Korean. By using 38 Y chromosome single nucleotide polymorphism markers, we analyzed the genetic structure of 195 Korean males. The Korean males were characterized by a diverse set of 4 haplogroups (Groups IV, V, VII, X) and 14 haplotypes that were also present in Chinese. The most frequent haplogroup in Korean was Group VII (82.6%). It was also the most frequent haplogroup in Chinese (95%) as well as in Japanese (45%). The frequencies of the haplogroups V, IV, and X were 15.4%, 1%, and 1%, respectively. The second most frequent haplogroup V in Korean was not present in Chinese, but its frequency was similar in Japanese. We have tried to correlate the Y variation with surname to determine how well the clan membership corresponds to Y variation. There were 37 surnames in our sample but genetic variation structure did not correlate with surnames. "
This is a comment from someone on wikipedia
"Linguistics and genetics are two very separate things. The Korean language may possibly be Altaic (even this is contentious) and the Han Chinese language is Sino-Tibetan, but a fundamental tenant of linguistics is that these differences do not reflect the actual genetic makeup of the populations speaking them. The Koreans today are closely related to the Han Chinese in both genetics and culture. That is more than enough to put the Han Chinese as a "possibly" related ethnic group. The Korean people were directly related to the early migrants coming north from China. "
Intranetusa
Apr 23 2007, 08:17 PM
I saw a Japanese documentary on youtube that said the majority of Japanese were 24% Korean and 25% Chinese (probably northern variant)...
Considering Korea is RIGHT NEXT to China, yes, I'd say over the last 6000 years, both sides have mixed blood.
ie. In Europe, and you'll see plenty of mixed Scottish-Irish-English, German-Austrian, etc
ulji
Oct 14 2007, 08:45 PM
QUOTE(gymonkey16 @ Apr 23 2007, 08:43 PM)

Actually we are genetically related
I didn't type this
"Study of Korean Male Origins (abstract)[5]
Sunghee Hong, Seong-Gene Lee, Yongsook Yoon, Kyuyoung Song
University of Ulsan College of Medicine, 388-1 Poongnap-dong, Songpa-ku, Seoul, Korea .... There were 37 surnames in our sample but genetic variation structure did not correlate with surnames. "
I know that paper and I even sent an email but no replies. I work in genetics.
The paper is very flawed. The paper was presented in a conference held in china and apparently they were too eager to please their chinese hosts.
I do not want to be sexist but cannot help but thinking that the fact they are mostly women had something to do with such eagerness to appease.
Actually M95 which is present in 10-20 percent of Chinese is completely absent among Koreans. So the chances of any significant admixture from chinese to Koreans is nill.
Sorry.
ChineseMythDragon
Dec 30 2007, 11:18 PM
The frequency of Haplogroup C3 tends to be negatively correlated with distance from Mongolia and the Russian Far East, but it still comprises more than ten percent of the total Y-chromosome diversity among the Manchus, Koreans, Ainu, and some Turkic peoples of Central Asia although in a genetic study in 2004, haplogroup C3 was more frequent among Koreans than previously thought.
Haplogroup O2b (SRY465, a.k.a. M176) is a human Y-chromosome DNA haplogroup. It is a descendant haplogroup of Haplogroup O2. Haplogroup O2b is found in the northeastern parts of East Asia, from the Daur people of Inner Mongolia to the Japanese of Japan. This haplogroup is found with its highest frequency and diversity values in the modern population of Korea and are absent among Chinese populations.
Personally and this is just speculation, in my opinion Koreans ARE related to Tungusics, Mongolians and Northern Han Chinese. There is enough linguistic and DNA evidence to support this. Korean language belongs to the Atlaic/Tungusic branch and this is identified through their grammatical structure. Korea's geographical location in Northeast Asia also supports this type of argument. Koreans are most likely a mixture of different ethnic groups that migrated from the north.
LongMa
Dec 31 2007, 08:54 AM
Some if not most of them definitely are. North East Han have been largely assimilated from barbaric tribes that were Tungustic and Mongol speaking relatives...the Koreans are largely related to those groups.
I would say, just by appearance that Koreans are more pure, with slight Southern or Central Han admixture whereas the North Chinese Han have significant admixture with Southern and especially Central Han. Since family is tracked by the father's side, it would not be strange that many Northern Han are the result of Chinese men marrying barbarian women. The Chinese blood in Korea likely comes from military, artisans, and traders that settled in the area and I'm guessing married into the middle or upper classes more than the peasants.
I'm not expert, I'm just guessing.
I know that Koreans group with Japanese much more than Chinese genetically, but all North East Asians are related (including Tibetans) and much more distantly the Mongols. So this is why I say that Han Chinese, even in the North have more admixture with people from the South pulling them away from Koreans, Japanese, and Tibetans...
The fact that the Koreans language structure is also closer to Japanese and Mongol than to Sino-Tibetan languages groups is telling. There obviously was not enough Chinese that ever moved to Korea to change their language, although they heavily borrowed vocabulary.
fireball
Dec 31 2007, 01:06 PM
I know a lot of Han Chinese moved into Korea when China had war or natural disasters, and vise versa for the Koreans, especially in the Shandong region. This happened for the last 2000+ years.
Wan Ren aka Danny
Dec 31 2007, 01:48 PM
IMO, the human race consist only of the following groups:
1. Brown
2. Yellow
3. White
4. Blacks
From each of those races will then branch out to several sub groups. plus a bit of mix and match between those four groups to have subgroups.
As far as the yellow race people, IMO Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Mongolians, Manchurians, Tibetans, eskimos etc. are of this group and probably came from the same ancestor thousand of years ago.
大泽升龙
Jan 19 2008, 01:12 PM
QUOTE (gymonkey16 @ Apr 9 2007, 12:09 PM)

Just out of curiousity. I do, I think we all came from the same central asian source and just branched out over time
Definitely.
moobie
Apr 2 2008, 11:17 AM
Manchus, Mongols, Koreans, Huaxia Chinese, Yamato Japanese, Tibetans, Tai, Miao, and Hakka all originated from the same place.
Manchus and Koreans stayed relatively mostly NE Asians, and hung around in their historic areas.
Huaxia Chinese spread in all directions from the yellow river valley and intermarried with neighboring tribes for long periods of time.
Yamato Japanese intermarried with Ainu and other natives.
Tibetans intermarried with Nepalese and others around Central Asia.
Tai, Miao and Hakka intermarried heavily with southern peoples in their journey from NE Asia to South China and Indochina.
That's what I gather but I could be wrong.
Borjigin Ayurbarwada
Apr 14 2008, 11:59 PM
Linguistics has almost nothing to do with genetics. Throughout history, entire nations have changed their language before. Many historians suspect that groups of nomads often shifted from Turkish languages to Mongol languages. In Britain, genetic tests reveal that British today are 70% similar to the original inhabitants during Roman times, but spoke a different language prior to the Germanic invasion.
MengTzu
Apr 15 2008, 01:55 AM
QUOTE (ulji @ Oct 15 2007, 02:45 AM)

I know that paper and I even sent an email but no replies. I work in genetics.
The paper is very flawed. The paper was presented in a conference held in china and apparently they were too eager to please their chinese hosts.
I do not want to be sexist but cannot help but thinking that the fact they are mostly women had something to do with such eagerness to appease.
Actually M95 which is present in 10-20 percent of Chinese is completely absent among Koreans. So the chances of any significant admixture from chinese to Koreans is nill.
Sorry.
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