Hmmm,

quite a number of lefties among the Ming soldiers in the picture.

Won't the horsemen collide?
Also, why is the cavalry on the red horse thrusting the halberd like a spear?

Okay, nitpicking I know. Sorry.

Great picture, really. Wish there's more of them. Thanks for posting.

Ha! Very good observations.

Wow, another great picture you've posted!

You can add to the list of wonders-
Why's there an archer right next to the charging cavalry?
The brigandine also looks really loose with a few guys, like the dude with both hands on the sword, his pauldrons flap like there's no metal in them.

This is the perfect happy response to my ever present bother of "Nuts, Japanese military (samurai) is always overshadowing China :x"

You've made my day, my week. Great for reference too. The helmet designs are interesting.

All I need now is Mongols glorystomping crusaders to make my month.

Thank you.

I suppose the artist wanted to portray the different types of Ming soldiers as opposed to painting a real battle scene

Note the muskets used by both sides too.

Great picture. Thanks Kulong.

Jieming

TM Pikachu, I think I have been a little late to make your month...but perhaps I can make this month a good one for you.

Well, they aren't really stomping the crusaders in this picture.

Maybe not then, not in the Picture. But the Mongols pulled some Royal Kick-A** on the Europeans at that Engagement at Leignitz in 1241

Hi Kulong, nice pic, might that be the Ming intervention on Korea?

Yeah, it is.

If you want a Mongol stomp picture...


Yes, doesn't that just scream "I hate your round eyes white devil, but I lust after your blonde, well endowed women!" ?

Man, that was mean. Who said that?

Note the penetrating power of the arrow.
Through 1 man and 1 tree...with a good distance through both.

It's close to what Fu Manchu said in that series of famous yellowface movies
He had gotten the mask and sword of Genghis Khan, speaking to a big crowd of Asians "We will kill the white man, and take his women!" to the cheers of the yellow menace.

what a great pic...

Hey! You have this book? Can you post more of the images from inside? There's a great picture of mongol calvary against mounted knights!

Jieming

Yep, look in Yang Zongbao's 9 January post - the picture's already there

No wait, I saw that one already. That picture's not in the book... or is it? I forget. I only read it in the bookstore so can't quite remember, but I believe there's another picture. Really awsome looking one too where the knights are on the left and the mongols on the right.

Indeed-I found that one on AE.

I just browsed in the bookstore today and think I saw the picture you're referring to - the Mongols over-running the Russians at the Battle of the Kalka River. It's in Stephen Turnbull's Osprey Warrior volume on the Mongol Warrior.

Hey the Ming general holding the halberd is that Commander Li Rusong?

posted this on a japanese website for the japanese to see,

http://www.p-file.com/sql_img/bbs.php?db=73

took pains to decipher the instructions but thankfully with lots of instructions in chinese characters, I was able to somehow break the code, would appreciate if someone who knows japanese let me know how exactly to post pics there correctly...

my target is this website:

http://pya.cc/index.php


Verbal Warning handynas. The term "Japanese" is considered highly offensive in many circles. Please refrain from it's usage and use the appropriate term "Japanese". I've taken the liberty of fixing it for you.

Thank you.

-GJ

Your post seemed deleted there...

Wow handynas, are you some kind of hacker?

I do hope you know...if you want to attack another website in such a fashion, you shall not have anything to do with CHF.

We will not support any attempts to stir up trouble with other forums in such a rude and uncivilized manner.

You may think it's funny to infuriate them with a picture. But you are breaking so many rules of netiquette, and making lots of bad karma.

Actually, that picture was clearly drawn for propaganda purposes, because it exaggerates the Ming 'superiority' to the Japanese. But CHF strongly deplores the using of such a picture to attack Japanese during this period of poor relations.

Handynas has received a 10% warning for hacking and using the word 'Japanese'.

is it not a picture of the battle of pyongyang which was a victory for the ming dynasty army.how is that propaganda?

Look at the faces of the Ming army compared to the faces of the Japanese, and you can see that they're making a statement and trying to make the Japanese look inferior.

Alot of war pictures do that. Looking at the picture of the dead white guy with a mongol casually picking out his arrow, you could get the idea of making the white guy look inferior to the Asian.

Nevertheless, using our site as a platform for "hacking" another site in an act seemingly motivated by ethnic hatred is unacceptable. CHF welcomes all people of all ethnicities. We have no need to make a name for ourselves as some site that promotes hatred.

The way I see it, it would be like me hacking into CHF, spamming this picture:




and yelling and screaming about how much the Chinese suck and the Vietnamese rock..

Dude, the Vietnamese rock!!!

LOL... It happened in 40 AD, early Han wears Mongolian/Manchu clothes?

Yes, that's a really stupid picture, no matter how well drawn it is. Manchu pigtails and 19th-century Vietnamese uniforms, plus making the Chinese look like yellow ape-like barbarians when the Vietnamese looked just like them? Furthermore, the Vietnamese like to think of the Trung sisters as riding elephants, but there is no evidence for it.

Hansioux, I hope you were being ironic. I hate art being used for propaganda, and I have a strong sensitivity to when it's being used that way.

Do not get too sensitive, they are just pictures. As for the word "Japanese", it could be just a inicial, maybe he was too lazy to write the complete word, not worthy to put a warning because of this. Though, hacking other sites is condenmable.

Actually, most art that illustrates warfare is slightly propagandistic. The Massacre of Chios is one of them. Prior to that, the Greeks have depopulated the island of Turks. When the Turks landed, the Greek army retreated leaving their own people and the evidence that they have massacred Turks behind. What resulted in Turkish vengeance...and a very famous art piece:


I would still say that the Ming vs Japan picture is not really good (bad perspective, some problem with layout etc, yet historically it is much more accurate than the Truong sisters sketch). But there is also another picture of a siege of the same battle in which the Koreans (men and women) held out against a Japanese assault.

And talking about the Imjin Waeran wars...

Dude...I don't think anyone uses this anymore....that doesn't even look like Admiral Yi....he's on some coin though..

BTW...Delacriox is T3h Pwnzors

O-bek won (500won) notes were replaced with coins some years back

ya like me, i'm too lazy to type the entire word so i use "Japanese" instead, ok back to the pic, why is it that the viets look exactly like Qing soldiers???and i thot the ape like peepur are the viets?

No one is apelike. Please refrain from using insults, no matter how subtle, against other ethnicities.

I think during the European 'Age of Enlightenment', their scientists proposed that Asians were descended from the orangutan, and during WWII, some American scientists said that the Japanese skull was 10,000 years less advanced than the Caucasian.

I think it's kinda funny (well, still terrible) that pretty much every 'race' of human has called the other ape-like due to different features.

Nice pictures...

Interesting, The Vietnamese use elephants in wars. I thought it was just the Lao and Thais.

http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...8&#entry4723948
War in the Year of the Dragon (add new line story), Ming, Yi Choson vs. Toyotomi Hideyoshi

The Burmese also made good use of elephants, some the battles between the Burmese and Thai most have been an aweinspiring whit both sides Elephants duking it out against each other.

Hahaha... gotta love that picture of the Trung sisters... completely historically inaccurate and it's a scenary that only exists in the mind of the extreme Vietnamese nationalists...

"No one is apelike. "

I say everyone is ape like, after all humans are part of the ape family, o matter what they want to think, humans are animals, and there is nothing unique about them.

Btw, Vietnam also has the legend that the Trung sisters were drowned. Yet this has no basis, other than words passed down. The Han Shu on the other hand clearly mention that they were executed by Ma Yuan. And whats bothersome is that the myth of their drowning even enters official Encyclopedia and textbooks worldwide and ignoring the executions.

Perhaps drowning was the method of execution?

He probably fell down and the arrow penitrated the branch. The postition he is lying in suggests that he couldn't have been fighting.

Or the arrow knocked him against the tree and the remaining force penetrated the tree as well...

Probably shot from a very close range.

No, the Vietnamese legend says that they commited suicide by drowning rather than fall into the hands of the Han army. Han Shu clearly mention they were captured and executed, and the military execution of the Han is by the sword.