Full Version: chinese Armour
yes for people who are curious about chinese armour i think from more historical and realistic movies have pretty good examples
so this is Resurrection of the Dragon? That armor looks nice from what I can see. Got any larger, clearer shots? What era does the movie take place in?
The movie takes place during the Three Kingdoms Era. It's about Zhao Zilong (Zhao Yun) and his struggle against himself as he battle's Wei. It's more of a fantasized take of SGYY, in comparison to say...John Woo's Red Cliff.
P.S. The helmets used in the poster look sorta strange, i'm not an expert but imo do not appear to be very Chinese.
P.S. The helmets used in the poster look sorta strange, i'm not an expert but imo do not appear to be very Chinese.
The armour doesn't even look like Chinese armour used at the time. It looks more like a Japanese Do Maru.
It does look more Japanese, but every once in a while I find some images of Chinese armor I haven't seen before. Like that one day at the Smithsonian that happened to have a scroll displayed, saw armor with shoulder guards and helmets in the rowed style often associated with Japanese. The field of studying Chinese armor also seems to be much less thorough than European n' Japanese.
QUOTE (TMPikachu @ Nov 12 2007, 02:48 PM) 
It does look more Japanese, but every once in a while I find some images of Chinese armor I haven't seen before. Like that one day at the Smithsonian that happened to have a scroll displayed, saw armor with shoulder guards and helmets in the rowed style often associated with Japanese. The field of studying Chinese armor also seems to be much less thorough than European n' Japanese.
I'd like to see that. Do you have a link or detailed description?
Wow. Is that Andy Lau? He looks like a WWI British soldier wearing a Japanese warring-states foot-soldier armor, with a weird, retangular knob, Han sword. I guess the tagline: the hononor of a man, does not apply to the director and people in custom design.
As for the above photo, I can't see very well about the armors, but they are not correct with the period, let alone nationality characteristics. Those spears are not Chinese spears, unless they want to rationalize them as the legendary, almost mythical, weapons Pi.
As for the above photo, I can't see very well about the armors, but they are not correct with the period, let alone nationality characteristics. Those spears are not Chinese spears, unless they want to rationalize them as the legendary, almost mythical, weapons Pi.
I suspect the cinematic inspiration of these scenes is Akira Kurosawa and his more "epic" films such as Kagemusha and Ran. It's no wonder that the "Chinese" armor looks "Japanese": the Chinese film was probably after the same effect.
Judging from what I learned second and third hand about how much influence historical consultants have on the shaping of historical films -- very very little -- at least in Holywood, I would not be the least bit surprised if a director would just tell his costume department to copy the feel of another film (in this case, one of Kurosawa's) and be done with. In fact I would be mightily surprised if somehow 100% historical authenticity somehow drives design decisions in such projects.
Just trying to dig up more dirt on it.
Watch this trailer: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cc00XMTA5NDM3NDg=.html
At 00:31 it says Post-Han Dynasty. Are they talking about this: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%8C%E6%BC%A2? or http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%8C%E6%BC%A2.
I felt like getting hit really hard in the head couple times.
It makes me want to make a movie so bad about Japanese Warring-State and in it Japanese would address themselves as 倭人.
It shows that the production of this movie is either amazingly sloppy or the studio is just trying to bank on the hype on Three-Kingdom historical myths of the Japanese. Basically the whole trailer is a message saying "screw the Chinese audience".
For those who understand mandarin: http://www.uume.com/play_tTXSrb3IQKto
The professionalism of HK movie production never stops to amaze me.
Watch this trailer: http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_cc00XMTA5NDM3NDg=.html
At 00:31 it says Post-Han Dynasty. Are they talking about this: http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%8C%E6%BC%A2? or http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%BE%8C%E6%BC%A2.
I felt like getting hit really hard in the head couple times.
It makes me want to make a movie so bad about Japanese Warring-State and in it Japanese would address themselves as 倭人.
It shows that the production of this movie is either amazingly sloppy or the studio is just trying to bank on the hype on Three-Kingdom historical myths of the Japanese. Basically the whole trailer is a message saying "screw the Chinese audience".
For those who understand mandarin: http://www.uume.com/play_tTXSrb3IQKto
The professionalism of HK movie production never stops to amaze me.
maybe the experts working on this movie know something we don't? Hahah, though that is unlikely...
this is Three Kingdoms, historical accuracy has not mattered very much to Chinese when telling this story. Guan Yu did not in real life wield 100lb blades, or wear Ming dynasty armor 1000 years before those designs came about.
I think sometimes we get hung up on trying to make clear Chinese/Japanese differences. Europeans don't seem to have as much of a problem with telling english or french or italian armor/weapons apart. I'd rather focus on the similarities.
At one point I thought Japanese Noh Masks, the faces on samurai masks were a distinct Japanese thing. But then I got a book on Chinese masks, a section on Tang dynasty Nuo theater and masks... and they looked just like Japanese Noh masks, looked like the fierce demon faces of samurai armor.
I haven't found any info on the internet on Nuo theater. This tells me that there is, there is a lot of research already done, information already compiled, BUT accessing it is still an issue.
Hmmm, if anything, it could be used as a sneaky way for Chinese to slowly claim Japanese related things...
like, see Warriors of Heaven and Earth? The Japanese guy who was a Tang agent, he uses a pair of samurai swords basically. He fights like how samurai fight in Samurai movies.
But towards the end, he talks about his past. He came to Tang as a young boy, has not been home for decades. He talks about how they taught him swordsmanship in the Tang. His samurai swords, his samurai fighting style, in the movie, came from the Tang Dynasty.
and here's a page from a book of Samurai armor written by a Japanese guy
"Chinese inspired"
and really it's just a movie, it's Chinese, people will associate it with that. The no.1 reason I've seen little American kids go to the Chinese galleries at the Smithsonian is 'cause they like Dynasty Warriors or kungfu movies.
I used to think armor in rows like that (instead of a single 'sheet'') was a Japanese difference from Chinese armor.
this is Three Kingdoms, historical accuracy has not mattered very much to Chinese when telling this story. Guan Yu did not in real life wield 100lb blades, or wear Ming dynasty armor 1000 years before those designs came about.
I think sometimes we get hung up on trying to make clear Chinese/Japanese differences. Europeans don't seem to have as much of a problem with telling english or french or italian armor/weapons apart. I'd rather focus on the similarities.
At one point I thought Japanese Noh Masks, the faces on samurai masks were a distinct Japanese thing. But then I got a book on Chinese masks, a section on Tang dynasty Nuo theater and masks... and they looked just like Japanese Noh masks, looked like the fierce demon faces of samurai armor.
I haven't found any info on the internet on Nuo theater. This tells me that there is, there is a lot of research already done, information already compiled, BUT accessing it is still an issue.
Hmmm, if anything, it could be used as a sneaky way for Chinese to slowly claim Japanese related things...
like, see Warriors of Heaven and Earth? The Japanese guy who was a Tang agent, he uses a pair of samurai swords basically. He fights like how samurai fight in Samurai movies.
But towards the end, he talks about his past. He came to Tang as a young boy, has not been home for decades. He talks about how they taught him swordsmanship in the Tang. His samurai swords, his samurai fighting style, in the movie, came from the Tang Dynasty.
and here's a page from a book of Samurai armor written by a Japanese guy
"Chinese inspired"
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Late Sengoku to Edo period
Even by this time, not all armor was made to all the latest adopted styles. However, in the Nara period, the then government adopted what was a Chinese-style of armor supposedly similar to the newest designs of the time.
Even by this time, not all armor was made to all the latest adopted styles. However, in the Nara period, the then government adopted what was a Chinese-style of armor supposedly similar to the newest designs of the time.
and really it's just a movie, it's Chinese, people will associate it with that. The no.1 reason I've seen little American kids go to the Chinese galleries at the Smithsonian is 'cause they like Dynasty Warriors or kungfu movies.
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I'd like to see that. Do you have a link or detailed description?
I used to think armor in rows like that (instead of a single 'sheet'') was a Japanese difference from Chinese armor.
For those who understand mandarin: mms://winmedia.cctv.com/baiketanmi/2007/11/baiketanmi_300_20071121_1.wmv
The author of : http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...c=18174&hl= talks about his view on Chinese movies.
Resurrection of the Dragon is by far the worst.
Let's boycott it!!!
The author of : http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php...c=18174&hl= talks about his view on Chinese movies.
Resurrection of the Dragon is by far the worst.
Let's boycott it!!!
^ Ugh...historically inaccurate movies...it better at least be good like Brave heart or Gladiator. (300...no comment)
QUOTE (Ashura @ Nov 24 2007, 05:32 AM)
Let's boycott it!!!
The only way I can watch it is through download or pirate DVD's anyways, hahah.
though I like that the armor just looks cool.
Didn't like Curse of the Golden Flower's armor though, even though that was fantastic and not historical. Whoever designed the Resurrection armor just has a good eye for design.
ah, those tall collars look so cool. I had an idea like that already, man and they had to go and do it.
This is some of the most aesthetically pleasing fantasy armor design I've seen
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